The J011yRoger Bet Reloaded.

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  1. HunterST

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    Actually, freakonomics says that it's more dangerous to drink and walk than to drink and drive. However, I don't think that was referring to places very close by.
     
  2. mlewis721

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    Good luck tonight Jolly!
     
  3. J011yroger

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    Man...the stalking department has been slacking off, no predictions or scouting reports...

    I am dissapointed...

    Actually felt ok this morning.

    Nice to have a 5.5 equivalent liver.

    Going to take a quick shower and nap, and then find some coffee so that I can stay awake for the match, and then stare at the ceiling until 3am, and get 3 hours of sleep tonite.

    Maybe I should start a thread looking for advice on night matches, because I F'ing hate them, and can't play worth a crap the day after one.

    J
     
  4. J011yroger

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    Thanks for the well wishes everyone, I should be home by 12ish and will update.

    This guy's name looks really familiar, but I don't know much of anything about him.

    J
     
  5. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    You play the consolation matches?
     
  6. Jracer77

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    Ah....ok Tonight the Jolly one plays a guy who somewhat recently lost 3 & 3 to a solid 5.0 league player. Based on that and a couple other scores we're gonna say the guys rating is hovering around the low to mid 5.0ish area. (he has no actual rating) So based on that we're going to have to predict a 6-2, 6-2 loss for Jolly and another depressing drive home tonight. Lets see what happens. :neutral:
     
  7. J011yroger

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    Whew! Thought you wouldn't get it in in time!

    For every one you nail on the head, I will get you a virtual beer (You are of drinking age right? Otherwise, Gatoraid) for every one you miss exact score, but guess the right number of games, I will give you a virtual high five.

    If you get 6 exactly right, I will paypal you, so that you can get a 6 pack of your choosing.

    J
     
  8. J011yroger

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    ^^^ Oh, and I would hope by this point you would trust me not to tank any games just to dick you over.

    J
     
  9. J011yroger

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    Just put on every article of clothing I own, chopped up and snorted a line of instant coffee, and I am out the door, back in 5 hours.

    J
     
  10. samster

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    Rock on, J011y!
     
  11. Jracer77

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    Well, so far I'm 4-0 predicting the winner/loser. As far as getting exact scores that's just a crapshoot...kind of like predicting the super bowl score. I'm not looking to win anything as my predictions are for entertainment purposes only (mostly my own entertainment as in it's mildly interesting to predict winners of matches using a few clicks of the mouse) .
     
  12. MomentumGT

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    Good luck man!

    -Jon
     
  13. J_R_B

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    He's a college kid. Plays varsity at the D-II level. With kids it's always a crapshoot, but you're probably in the ballpark.
     
  14. Topaz

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    I don't think the draw is big enough to warrant a consolation draw...you need at least a main draw of 16.
     
  15. samster

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    I say J011y pulls out a hard-fought 3-setter win tonight. :)
     
  16. J011yroger

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    1. I didn't puke. Came close.
    2. I didn't flip out. Came really close.
    3. I went in my customary 0-4 hole to start the match.
    4. I got pissed off and won the next 4 games.
    5. I ran out of everything.

    I can't tell you what happened in the 2nd set. All I remember for sure is that I got lobbed once, and the ball was just barely in.

    Going to crawl into bed and die now.

    J
     
  17. J011yroger

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    Last tournament for Feb is this weekend. If I have to play at 9:30 Friday night, I might cry.

    If anyone knows why I subject myself to this, please inform me, because I have absolutely no idea.

    J
     
  18. samster

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    You are a man on a mission, that's why.
     
  19. Bud

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    So... what was the final score?

    4-6, x-x? :confused:
     
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    2nd set smells like a bagel
     
  21. tfm1973

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    Update:
    Match 1 vs 5.0 computer rated opponent: 2-6, 4-6
    Opponent's Tourney Results: 4 wins 5 losses

    Match 2 vs 4.5 computer rated opponent: 2-6, 6-7 (6)
    Opponent's Tourney Results: 23 wins 16 losses

    Match 3 vs non-rated opponent: 6-0, 6-0
    Opponent's Tourney Results: 0 wins 2 losses

    Match 4 vs 4.5 rated opponent: 2-6, 2-6
    Opponent's Tourney Results: 10 wins 10 losses

    Match 5 vs 4.5 rated opponent: 2-6, 6-7
    Opponent's Tourney Results: 12 wins 7 losses

    Match 6 vs Div II college player: 4-6, 0-6
    Opponent's Tourney Results: 2 wins 5 losses

    J011yroger's 2010 Tourney Record: 1 win 5 losses (16% winning percentage)
     
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  22. tfm1973

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    just heard the official result of J011y's last match versus a division II college player. looks like J011y started off strong in the first set of this past match but then ran out of gas in the second.
     
  23. OrangePower

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    Question for tfm: where you list "Opponent's Tourney Results", is that just their results from Open tournaments, or from all tournaments?

    Several of them are 4.5, and there is a big difference between going say 23-16 in Opens versus going 23-16 in NTRP 4.5.

    Curious minds want to know...
     
  24. tfm1973

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    i'm posting their Men's Open Singles results. at least what tennislink is showing me. i'm not counting doubles matches or matches in non-Open singles tourneys.
     
  25. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Maybe he got tired of breaking strings every 3 games :confused:
     
  26. Topaz

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    True. It seems if one played in NTRP 4.5 tournies, you would be assured of a more consistent level of competition. These Opens, especially with the small draws, seem to be all over the place, from an opponent who had never won a single game to some pretty high level ballers.

    But again, that is the definition of 'open'...open to everyone, regardless of skill level.
     
  27. tfm1973

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    J011y and/or anyone in J011y's neighborhood:

    can we please have a match videotaped? match scores are interesting but it'd be fun to see actual match footage. in just about every match so far, J011y's had one strong set and one not so strong set. this kindof matches his self assessment that he's a streaky player.
     
  28. mmaster

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    is it me or does jolly have way too much pressure to win? is there anyone who is playing with more pressure? too bad...
     
  29. Jracer77

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    Yeah, Andy Murray :)
     
  30. teppeiahn1

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    You got bagled the 2nd set because you didnt jump in there mentaly strong, and oviously, other guy played alot better since he was up a set.
     
  31. JoelDali

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    Clijsters in AO10.

    Ana I. everywhere the poor girl goes.

    So sad.

    :(
     
  32. smoothtennis

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    Kournikova----but then those days are gone I guess, :) too bad.
     
  33. Ultra2HolyGrail

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  34. Jracer77

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    Or how about the hundreds of non-wealthy players struggling on the challenger and futures circuits. Most of us only play tennis as a hobby for fun.
     
  35. JoelDali

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    Tennis is not a matter of life or death.

    It is much more important than that.

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  36. JoelDali

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    Incredibly wise words, golden chunks of truth.
     
  37. samster

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    Who is this lefty player?
     
  38. JoelDali

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    Thissa guy ya he been doe minating the 5.5 Ventura County CA region for a 4 ah years ah now. He's quite de server ya.
     
  39. samster

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    Looks like a continental forehand grip. Does he generate Nadal-like topspin?
     
  40. bertrevert

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    Look I have had I think two shots in the Open section of our North Syd annual tournament - both times I got my *** handed back.

    One memorable match was against a 17 year old who hit the ball so hard (I was only managing to get back floaters back) I can only say I was pinned against the back fence just holding on...

    Why take on an Open?

    Why not compete at your true level?

    btw what USA level is an Div II college player???

    friggin heck y'll have more fun rather than puke...
     
  41. J_R_B

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    Post bump this year, I would think that almost all D-II varsity players except guys on the weakest of the teams at that level should be at least 5.0 level (with the top guys in the division at 5.5 or even 6.0 at the very top). Last year, a lot of the rank and file could have been strong 4.5's.
     
  42. mtommer

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    Is it more fun? Kinda' depends on who you are don't you think? Winning against low level competition, even if that's what you are, is no sense of accomplishment for some people, myself included. *shrug*
     
  43. bertrevert

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    I said your "true level" not low level.
     
  44. Bud

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    When you compete at your true level it allows you some wins which will give you confidence. It also allows you to try different things to improve so you can move up and EVENTUALLY play competitively in open tournaments.

    When you always play with those who are MUCH better than you, you always lose (which does wonders for you confidence) and you always feel like you're behind the 8-ball during the entire match. You never really get a chance to develop a real game, IMO. You develop a game that is rushed and reactive... not steady and assertive.
     
  45. mtommer

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    This is true for a lot of people. Not everybody though. It's similar to how many people let a high pressure situation get to them yet a few don't. Often if you were to ask the person who isn't bothered by the pressure if they even feel the pressure, the answer will be no. To someone who can't handle it this seems insane. But alas it is what it is.
     
  46. Bud

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    I'd agree with you... if he was winning at least 50% of his matches. Thus far he's won a single match and that was from a lucky draw.

    Whatever makes you happy! :)
     
  47. J_R_B

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    I actually find that playing people a full level or higher better than me (5.0 + since I am 4.0) helps me develop a "real" game. People that are that good hit such a clean ball that it is easy for me to get my strokes in a groove, too. And the couple of points throughout the match where I am able to raise my game to that level and play 5.0 level points are great to get a real life feel of what it takes to play at that level (knowing that the opponent can play at that level for 3 hours, not just a dozen points per match...). As for confidence, losing to someone that much better than me doesn't bother me or get me down. Why should it? It's clear that it's not a match that I should win, so I just assess how I am hitting my strokes and don't worry about the score.
     
  48. equinox

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    Don't worry jolly, with my crippled shoulder i got bagled by bernard tomics junior doubles partner on the w/e...3 bps and a missed sitter volley was all i got a look at all match.
     
  49. equinox

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    I played a div2 5 years ago (wow so long ago, went down 1 5 open) he's made 3rd future quallies a few times before getting smashed 1 1 by top seed after doing 0 0 previous rd!

    5-5.5 level. higher than 4.5.
     
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    I think people who play at the open level either are good players or not so good players who see this as a learning experience and don't mind having a poor winning percentage. The talk about a "true" level is very interesting, though. IMHO there is some truth to the phrase "You're only better than the people you beat"...

    This was regarding practising, but somebody said you should play "down" 25%of the time, at your level 50% and "up" 25% in order to develop your game properly. Maybe a grain of truth in that, too?

    Having said that, people can play open level as much as they'd like to, and I do wish Jolly the best of luck. :)
     
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