The J011yRoger Bet

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  1. tfm1973

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    Originally Posted by tfm1973
    i got a bet for you jolly. now that you are healthy and rested and hopefully didn't eat too much during the holidays (i know i did) - you look ready for tournaments in 2010. just enter open tournaments like you normally would in singles. by june 1st, 2010 -- if you win 25% of your matches or more i'll gladly pay you a $100 tenniswarehouse.com gift card. if you are at 24% or less in win percentage -- you pay me $100 in tenniswarehouse.com gift card.

    it's a win-win. you have extra motivation for your matches. you win 25% or more of your matches and you prove to your naysayers that you belong at the Open Tournament level.

    jollyroger win conditions:
    -- matches must be completed. withdraws, defaults, no shows do not count.
    -- all matches must be from January 1, 2010 to June 1, 2010.
    -- matches must be in Men's Open Singles
    -- tournaments must be USTA sanctioned
    -- must win 25% or more matches

    do we have a bet? the TennisWarehouse.com forum members and God can be our witnesses.

    posted by Jolly

    Done. *Virtual Handshake*

    J
     
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  2. tfm1973

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    Badda Bing! We gots ourselves a bet.

    I've heard some grumblings that I should've stipulated that wins only count if they are above a 4.5 player or whatnots. I disagree. Many Open Tournament players don't have a NTRP rating. In fact it's often all they play. No biggie. If Jolly wants to find a weak tournament with a weak draw -- that's his business. I'm convinced he's more interested in testing his mettle than winning a $100 gift card to his favorite tennis outlet.

    Jolly -- Good Luck in your matches! As much as I love winning bets, I'm more interested in seeing you play your best tennis and let the chips fall where they may. The only time I wanna see another tennis player lose is when they're across the net from me. :)

    Please post results as you get em. Yarrrgghh!
     
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  3. mikro112

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    Interesting. I have subscribed to this thread!

    Good luck JOlly.
     
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  4. samster

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    J011y, J011y, J011y!
     
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  5. PimpMyGame

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    This thread gives me something to come back to TTW for, other than idiots arguing about jack ****. We may already have a contender for thread of the year :)
     
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  6. Raid

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    awesome haha :)
     
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    all the best of luck :)
     
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  8. smoothtennis

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    Yeah agreed now that I think about it. Good sweetness, I hope Jolly gets some early wins, so Jollygate can at least be managed in the future. I am all for someone getting better however they get movitavted to do that. And honestly, this IS fun. Better than non-stop arguing over MTM and etc.
     
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  9. raiden031

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    All Jolly has to do is play up to 4 matches, and win exactly one of them and then retire for the season. :)
     
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  10. Kostas

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    No minimum # of matches?

    If he wins his first match then he's golden...imo. :)
     
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  11. smoothtennis

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    We'll give Jolly credit for winning any matches - just play Jolly, just play, work hard, and have fun.
     
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    I'm taking Jolly's side on this one. A .250 winning percentage is not a very high bar to set. If he plays 6 tournaments, he only has to win two matches.
     
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  13. charliefedererer

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    How about giving J011y a break?
    Plenty have had fun giving him grief, apparently about his tongue in cheek assurances that he was a better match player than his record indicates.
    But it's a new year.
    How about letting bygones by bygones?
    J011y has posted a ton of useful information and can't the J011y bating end?
     
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  14. LeeD

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    Some people need a push to get competitive and do well.
    Other people need to find the way themselves.
    I know Jolly has posted TONS of good stuff on this site, he knows his stuff as well as anyone, and it's his choice what he does this year.
    JOLLY, take this thread or leave it, it's up to you and we fully support you either way.
     
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  15. tfm1973

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    charlie and LeeD -- jolly has already agreed to the bet. it's a done deal. there's no baiting involved.
     
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  16. LeeD

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    Could be fun....
    A few of the doubles crew I play with are also aiming at the NorCal Open Tourney schedules, a former top 5 singles from UCRiverside and a once top 30 in Japan. Be interesting to see how they match up in those events.
    They kick my butt, of course.
     
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  17. Djokovicfan4life

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    You mean that wasn't fun to you? I was laughing my ass off for awhile there.
     
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    I just subscribed to this thread. Go Jo11y
     
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  19. nyc

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    Hmmm....what if tfm1973 = J011y...?

    Hmmm..???

    [​IMG]
     
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    Is that David Tennant?
     
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  21. Cindysphinx

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    Oh, good. Did he also agree to have a thread on the subject and all of that?

    Where are ya, Jolly?

    Cindy -- hoping Jolly will bring home the gold
     
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  22. Shangri La

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    25% win is basically to enter 4 tournaments and try to win the 1st round once.
     
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  23. Topaz

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    He agreed...it was on a separate thread. I believe a new thread was started so that discussion of the bet would not continue to derail the original post.
     
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  24. Topaz

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    Here are the original posts that can be tracked back...

     
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    Jo11y will win the bet, hands down..............
     
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  26. Shangri La

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    Probably. OP's offer is pretty generous.
     
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  27. ManuGinobili

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    This bet deserves a section of its own on TT, not just a thread
     
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    You have got my vote, Jolly. I bet you will be a winner of this challenge ^_^.
     
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  29. AlpineCadet

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    Sandbag for 100 bucks? Easy as pie!
     
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    What would be even more interesting is to have a tournament, set up by TW at a location of their choice (probably in California right ;)) with several categories for all levels and with singles and doubles. I'm sure that would make people evaluate their games a lot more and play in their respected draw and stop boasting about being so and so rated. Once the pressure's on the line people fall in place where they belong :)
    This is not a shot at J0lly, I don't even know the guy. I just know he carries around more rackets then Roger Federer. Its just funny reading so many of the posts here sometimes about NTRP levels and so on.

    By the way, regarding this thread. A 25% win percentage is too easy.
     
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  31. Bud

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    Agreed... too much opportunity for a 'lucky' draw... another 'open' player who really doesn't belong playing such tournaments. IMO, it should have been a minimum of 2 open level match wins or 25%... whichever is greater.
     
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  32. PimpMyGame

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    Ha ha, not from where I'm sitting. Mine was 0% last summer in LTA events!
     
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  33. Cindysphinx

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    Topaz, thanks for the clarification.

    Good luck, Jolly!!
     
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  34. MichaelChang

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    So when is the first match.
     
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    No, 3 tournaments. Otherwise his record would be 1-4 for a 0.200 winning precentage. You are forgetting that after he wins that first round match he still has to play a second rounder.
     
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  36. sapient007

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    so jolly actually agreed to this?
     
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  37. SirSweetSpot

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    The bet should have been something like winning 1 ATP point, like that Elizabeth Shue is trying to do.
     
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  38. OrangeOne

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    What's the minimum number of tournaments / matches?

    1 lucky win in the first 3 tournaments and there's zero incentive to keep playing (from the perspective of the bet).
     
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  39. Cindysphinx

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    He could default after the first match. :)
     
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  40. sureshs

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    Should be in Odd and Ends, not here.
     
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  41. 10ACE

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    Good Thing JollyRoger is in the North East- Florida open tournaments are semi pro/ challenger level
     
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  42. tfm1973

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    1 -- is this too easy a bet for Jolly? don't think so. as has been posted in other threads his winning percentage in Open Tournaments has historically been 10% or so. this means he has to double his winning percentage.

    2 - couldn't Jolly just enter 1 tournament and win 1 match? absolutely but it'll be pretty obvious to anyone if that is what he wants to do. i honestly think he wants to improve and show to others that he's a maligned player. playing tourneys and winning will accomplish that.

    3 - should this thread be moved? that's fine with me. the mods are welcome to move the thread.

    4 - does Jolly agree with this thread? i'm pretty sure he does because he agreed to this bet openly in another forum. we virtually handshook and everything. that's about as legal a cyberthread can be.
     
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  43. SirSweetSpot

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    Did he have his virtual fingers crossed?
     
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  44. SuperDuy

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    Can you video any matches jolly?
     
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    3 pages and seems like j0lly have virtually flaked already
     
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  46. JHBKLYN

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    When I was a 3.0, I entered my first open tournament and won my opening round. The tournament director pitted me against this other 3.0. Fortunately for me, I was on the higher end of 3.0 and he was at the lower end and I won 6-1, 7-5. So yeah, it could be an easy bet to win since some tournament directors will put 2 lower rated players against each other in the first round so one of them can tell their grandchildren they won a round in an open tournament!
     
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  47. Topaz

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    I had a similar experience last year...I'm a 3.5, entered a local open, and won my first match against a 3.0. Got blown off the court by a 5.0 in the next round, but still ended up with a sectional open singles ranking due to the first win.

    I call it the 'Topaz Effect'! LOL

    Still, I think are experiences are definitely *not* the norm!

    If the tournament is USTA sanctioned, then the draw is done electronically in TennisLink, and their is no 'input' from the director.
     
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  48. raiden031

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    This is why I think there should at least be a 2 win minimum, such that we can allow for a possibility of one lucky draw.
     
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  49. Topaz

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    But if that is all he does, then don't you think he'd be criticized for taking the easy way out? It would certainly show a lack of character, and I don't think Jolly would be happy with that.

    And, for the record, he *did* accept the challenge on the other thread...curious that he hasn't commented here yet.
     
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  50. samster

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    J011y, J011y, J011y!
     
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