The J011yRoger Bet

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  1. drakulie

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    and if he loses, would this somehow mean he is a "bad player"??

    How about if he wins this bet, but goes 1-3 (33% win percentage). Would this mean he is a good or bad player?

    How about if he beats someone in the first round of a tourney, and his opponent is a NTRP 2.5? Again, is he a good or bad player?

    Just wanted some clarification, because I don't recall the issue ever being he was "good" or bad". The issue was more revolved around the fact that he be-littled players beneath 5.0??? level (especially the 3.5 crowd), and stated he was "above them", when in fact he is around a 3.5 himself.

    Now, whether *YOU* define 3.5 as "good or bad" is your personal opinion.
     
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  2. Ambivalent

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    Can I put 100 dollars against you J011y
     
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  3. AlpineCadet

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    Someone Needs To Film It!
     
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  4. dennis10is

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    Why are you inflating Jolly's abilities. You know "for a fact" that Jolly is NOT 3.5. He's more like 3.0. So, stop hyping him up.

    Jolly should be begging Topaz to forgive him and to give him tennis pointers. A benchmark woman 3.5 like Topaz should be able to handle someone like Jolly.

    I don't care what level you are, an NTRP 3.5 is basically God and everyone should pay respect to these Olympians. I've been playing tennis for 30 years and I'm only a 2.5 and I had many lessons from day one.

    A 3.5 is basically as close as mortals can get to a Federer or Nadal. Jolly is certain no 3.5. He may never reach that level of tennis expertise.

    Aside, I remember reading somewhere that you and Topaz are engaged? Have you guys tied the knot? If so, congrats.
     
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  5. Topaz

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    Awww thanks Dennis, you're so sweet!

    BTW, we are registered at TW. I know you would want to get us started off with a bang! Please, we need to save money for my therapy...because I will need extensive counseling being married to a Cowboy's fan!
     
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  6. smoothtennis

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    Serious question Dennis - are you the guy in NY that doesn't count points for yourself if you didn't mean to hit the spot that won you the point?
     
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  7. Topaz

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    I believe that was mtommer.
     
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  8. tfm1973

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    hey guys stop hijacking jolly's and my thread. just want to go over some key points.

    1 - jolly agreed to this bet without a gun to his head. i applaud his confidence in his game and his abilities.
    2 - can't speak for others but i don't root for jolly to lose. i am however interested in seeing where the chips fall. if he wins 25% or more -- i'm satisfied that i misjudged his skills and he really is an open tournament level player which in my estimation suggests he's likely a 4.5+ player.
    3 - if his win percentage is less than 24% -- it lends credence (but doesn't prove) that his skills are likely below 4.5 level play.
    4 - nobody in this thread is saying that to play less than 4.5 is anything to be ashamed of -- i think it's been proven that over 90% of people who pick up a racquet will never reach 4.5 standard play.
    5 - lastly and most importantly, jolly has been nothing but civil and a gentleman throughout an awful lot of razzing which also earns my grudging respect. so if anyone wants to give the guy grief - start your own thread. i want this thread focusing on our bet and one poster's personal goal of being the best player he can be.

    back on topic -- i understand that jolly entered his first tournament of the new year. once i find results -- i or jolly will post results.
     
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  9. tfm1973

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    near as i know - jolly agreed to the bet. he didn't agree to post results or post at all regarding the bet. leave the guy alone to his tennis. go work on your own game doods.

    for example right now i'm trying to figure out if i should wear white tennis socks or black tennis socks when playing. i think i look cooler in black socks but i believe my win percentage is not as good as when i wear white socks. my coach however suggests i wear nike and not adidas. i have a lot to sort out with my tennis game.
     
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  10. Leelord337

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    i think jo11y's going to win the bet, i mean what if he plays a kid who's under 18? after-all kids can't enter any level other than open level... :)
     
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  11. tfm1973

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    Update:

    Jolly loses to a 5.0 computer rated player. Didn't see the match but looks like a respectable and competitive match on paper.

    2-6, 4-6

    2010 Season Total: 0-1 (0% Win Percentage)
     
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    Ahhh, I see your problem, you're supposed to wear your white socks until they turn black with dirt and then play tennis in them. :)
     
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  13. AlpineCadet

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    J011yroger's existance gives us all the opportunity to troll each other. Let's take time to bless him for being in our TTW lives. BTW, IMO, mtommer doesn't belong in any TTW thread that has meaning. He should take his teen years somewhere else.
     
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    I wonder how much money it'd take to bribe out a few open wins....

    (Yes, I am just stirring....)
     
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    There are so many gimpy, slow footed, handicapped internet warriors... why choose j011yroger over the rest? :confused:

    Oh wait, I remember now. :evil:

    Continue on.
     
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    that's a good result actually--
    he only used to get breadsticked and bagelled by 5.0s
     
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  17. Topaz

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    ^^^Yes, that result shows some solid improvement!
     
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    For those familiar with his results, how true is this statement? Is he a 3.5 because he lost to some 3.5s, or because he got beat badly by some 4.0s?

    I mean I've lost very badly to 4.0s, but then when I play 3.5s I play like a 4.0 against them and they say I'm definitely a 4.0.

    But Jolly's results against a 5.0 definitely show he's better than a 3.5.
     
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  19. Cindysphinx

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    Wow. Jolly took six games off of a 5.0?

    I think I would cough up a golden set to a 5.0. You *go* Jolly!!!!
     
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  20. papa

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    What are the latest odds on this situation and who's holding the money?

    Have I mentioned my own impeccable background, expensive education, wilingness to travel anyone if someone else pays expenses, time, emazing ability to ignore the obivous, complete lack of any reasonable spelling ability, suspect mathematical skills and last but probably not that important, poor eyesight.

    So, I'm ready and waiting for the call.
     
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    6 games off a 5.0 is like solid 4.0 territory i would say.. if not higher. Unless mr 5.0 wasnt playing hard which is a possibility
     
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  22. Cindysphinx

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    Aw, come on. Now we are going to speculate that Jolly's opponents are just phoning it in?

    Do the 4.0 guys here think they could take six games off of a real 5.0? I say Jolly is sounding like high 4.0/low 4.5 territory.
     
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  23. Danstevens

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    Reasonable result for Jolly there. OK, it didn't help him in the bet but for most people, 2-6, 4-6 against a computer rated 5.0 isn't a shabby result. Hopefully that will help him to gain some respect back from certain members of the TT community.

    I can only wish Jolly well in this challenge as he is, without question, one of the nicest and most helpful people on the forums. Whether he wins or loses this challenge I don't think my opinion of him will change as he seems like a genuinely nice guy. Best of luck Jolly!
     
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  24. J011yroger

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    Crikey! I have a busy week and don't go on TW, and look what happens!

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  25. J011yroger

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    P.S. Guy I played last night. (Fun driving to NJ after work on Friday night, and sitting on the Cross Bronx Xpy? You betcha!) is 3-11 in futures qualies, ranked 64 in National Men's open in 08 (09 rankings not done yet.)

    I would call him a 5.5 if you asked my opinion, but he did have a 5.0 computer rating from 2003-2004 when he played in Florida.

    Coolest guy ever, exchanged numbers and are going to practice in future.

    J
     
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  26. J011yroger

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    That statement is not true. I am familiar with his results :)

    E-mail me if you want details.

    J
     
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  27. Cindysphinx

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    That's it? That's all you're gonna say?

    Come on. Give it up. What was his serve like? What did he do that you couldn't handle? What seemed to give him trouble?

    Some of us will never, ever face someone 5.0+. Allow me to live vicariously, will ya?
     
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  28. LeeD

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    I'm not Jolly, but I'm behind him all the way.
    Best guy I ever played a match against was RussellSimpson at 18 (him, I was 27). He had to enter Q like me, won Q and went to finals of the main. Following year ranked top 50 in singles in the world. Obviously can hit the ball hard, move blur, and hit deep.
    I played JoaroSoares, #1 for Pepperdine, the previous year. He ended up 2 years after I lost to him at top 30 in the Men's Pro tour. He was good too.
    Me, I took up motocross and continues surfing....:):)
     
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  29. J011yroger

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    I don't want to sound like I am making excuses :)

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  30. Topaz

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    While results against higher levels say one thing, results against lower levels (such as 3.0) say the same thing...such as, if I get some games off of a 5.0, that is spectacular, right?

    But if a 3.0 takes five games off of me...it muddles things, wouldn't you say?

    If I never beat a 4.0 in an actual match, would you call me a 4.5? I think not...
     
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  31. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    It's impossible to say without actually seeing jolly play a real match or what his opponent played like. 5.0 rated on paper does not mean that much.


    If jolly was really a 5.0+ open level caliber player than he should have no trouble winning a 4.0 tournament. I would like to officially make a bet he can not win a big draw 4.0 tournament. I can escrow.
     
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  32. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    I've got $500 that you can not win a 3.5 tournament in florida.
     
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    Hey, welcome back. Please first pay me the $20 you bet me and lost.

    Thanks.

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  34. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Are you going to enter a 4.0 tournament jolly? You might actually enjoy it.
     
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  35. Topaz

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    Ahhh, look, yet another poster who has no clue what ratings mean and how they are acquired.

    A 5.0 on paper means he is competitive with other 5.0 rated players (he either beats them or has competitive losses to them)...it is proven through results in actual matches.

    A computer rating of 5.0 actually does mean pretty much.

    :roll:
     
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  36. Topaz

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    Drak would not be allowed to enter a 3.5 tournament, since his NTRP is higher than that.
     
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  37. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Sure, you can get a 5.0 computer rating from playing doubles on a 5.0 team and never win a match.
     
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  38. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    I doubt he is ranked in 4.0-5.0 ntrp in florida. Nobody would say anything if he entered a usta tournament in 3.5's.
     
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  39. smoothtennis

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    Great result there Jolly - very nice score. Now C'mon - giving up some details about he match surely isn't considered excuses. You got a 4-6 set of a 5.0. I would hold my head high.

    I assume you were holding serve decently in that second set? Was the guy a power machine, S&V, all courter, retriever?

    Was there no consolation in this one?
     
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  40. Mansewerz

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    My guess is the guy was a consistent baseliner. Jo11y was probably missing his spots in the first, and started to find them in the second set.


    As for Ultra2HolyGrail, how come you haven't paid Jo11y yet?
     
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  41. JHBKLYN

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    Hi J011yroger, I wouldn't mind playing you in a match. I've taken a lot of tennis videos and looked at yours. Skills wise, you are not a 3.5, and most likely not a 4.0. You're probably in the 4.5 range and up. Ratings wise, I'm not sure since you don't play USTA leagues but you would be 4.0 and up. I'm a USTA rated 4.0 player and I've played players who weren't sure what their NTRP rating is and let them know where they should rate.

    If you're an early riser, there are courts at NTC from 6am to 8am weekdays for $20 an hour. I can also play at Alley Pond or if you know another place, let me know!
     
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  42. Topaz

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    Ok, I'll spell it out for you.

    USTA tournaments are on Tennislink, where results from tournaments and leagues are posted. You can sign up right there, nice and easy, with your USTA # (which you have to have to play in USTA sanctioned events).

    However, if you are going to play an NTRP tournament, you must *not* be rated higher than the level of the tournament.

    So, for example, I am a computer rated 3.5. The computer simply would not allow me to enter a 3.0 tournament. The ratings are stored in the computer, and the moment I put in my USTA#, the system knew who I was and what my rating is. And I simply could not sign up for a 3.0 tournament.

    The one time I saw this rule broken is when a director manually entered a person. He put a 4.0 player in a 3.5 doubles tournament. She (and her partner) won. Complaints were plenty.

    Now, again, Drak WOULD NOT BE ABLE to enter a 3.5 tournament because HIS RATING IS TOO HIGH. Got it? So, sorry to burst your bubble, but perhaps you should learn how the system works before you speculate?

    And ratings are national (that is what the 'N' in NTRP stands for)...there is no such things as a FL 4.0 and a VA 4.0.

    It is very obvious from your posts that you neither play NTRP or have a clue how it works. You should hook up with mtommer.

    And pay up. You lose a bet, you pay up.
     
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  43. JHBKLYN

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    I also lost in the second round almost as bad as yours: 6-0, 6-1. I just checked my open singles ranking for that year and I was actually ranked 271!! If I had known that, I could've intimidated people by saying: "You sure you want to play against the 271st best singles player in this area?" :)
     
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    Wear black socks, it looks cooler. I only buy black socks now, it doubles as tennis gear and I wear them with my shoes for non-tennis affairs.
     
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    Come *on* man. Are you really gonna make me beg?

    Oh, those Strong Silent Types. They drive ya wild with their, "Aw, shucks ma'am. Just doin' my job."

    Keep it objective, then. How many aces did each of you have? (And don't you dare say you don't recall.)
     
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    Anybody that says that is giving themselves an excuse and making themselves feel better by thinking a higher ranked player beat them when in reality, they are just a middle of the road 3.5 or whatever their rating is. :)
     
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    I know how it works just fine thank you. I've been ranked in opens and the top in 4.5's, and played on a 5.0 team, and also a top usta junior when i played. Which is funny YOU telling me how the system works.:roll:


    It's funny a 3.5 telling ME this lol.


    :roll: How do you know drak is even ranked or has a rating? Not saying he does not but are you just assuming this? I bet you are. If you do not have a ranking from only last year then you can enter any usta tournament unless you are well known and they won't let you play.
     
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    i think there should have been a minimum of like 20 matches...or somethin. but whatever
     
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    Hey, I was 37th in my section open singles. LOL When the rankings came out, I printed off the sheet and put it somewhere...

    If you knew how it worked, you wouldn't have made the comments you did...such as 'FL' 3.5 or 'FL' 4.0. There's no such thing.

    It is real easy. I go to Tennislink, I put in his last name, then his first name, and then I hit enter. Then I click on his name, and his current rating comes up.

    And, you are confusing rankings and ratings. We are talking ratings. You bet Drak to enter a 3.5 tournament. 3.5 is a rating, not a ranking. Since his computer rating is higher than 3.5, Drak is unable to do this.

    I guess you *did* need a 3.5 to tell you that!

    Give it up already, you're making a fool of yourself.

    And pay up to Jolly.
     
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  50. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Good match J-Man. Best of luck with the 'bet'. Best, BHBH
     
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