The J011yroger guide to strings.

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  1. J011yroger

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    Hey, just noticed your username! Do you live in NY?

    What lvl player?

    Lets get a hit in!

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  2. saram

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    For me, three sets of singles or about 6-8 sets of doubles, and then I am cutting them out. But, keep in mind that it truly depends on each player, strokes, etc. I string for some people and it will last them a month.
     
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  3. Noveson

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    Hey Jolly, what are some alternatives to Prince Recoil? I mean $25? Come on.

    My redcode alternates between breaking within a week, or not at all, and I tried to go synthetic, but the change in the trajectory coming of the racquet was just killing me. Any suggestions?
     
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  4. J011yroger

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    Have you tried a Redcode/NRG2 blend?

    I actually liked the way ALU/NRG2 played, better than the way ALU/VS played.

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  5. Pro_Tour_630

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    another indication NRG2 is better than VS:)

    or Multis are better than Natural Gut:)
     
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  6. BigApple

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    Hey Jo11y,

    I used to be a 5.5 player, but now I'm about a 5.0 player now.

    I recently sprained my wrist, and was out for three months. I'm desperately trying to get back where I was but my wrist has never been the same! I'm almost fully healed now, but my I get scared to tear my wrist again. Its all in my mind but I'm still afraid to serve or hit 100%.

    I live in Tonoto right now, but I come down to NY alot. Maybe we can get a hit during the outdoor season.

    Whereabouts do you live in NY?

    -BA
     
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  7. Nellie

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    Jolly - How long does that Recoil last? I assume it does not break but would lose tension. I am trying to see if it is remotely worth the cost.
     
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    Good stuff Jolly. Keep it up.
     
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  9. J011yroger

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    Long island, but will travel.

    I sprained my wrist and missed 6 months of tourneys, will never be 100% again, but I am 85% recovered now. Last things to come back for me are comming over FH returns against big servers, and clobbering eye high balls. So I know where you are comming from. When I hurt it originally at work I had to reach over the steering wheels and start cars with my left hand because it hurt too much to turn the key with my right.

    Definately shoot me an e-mail when you are in town. I am always looking for an excuse to go somewhere and hit around.

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    Only problem was that the NRG2 lasted 1 hour, and the VS lasted 2 :)

    If I was playing straight up I would prefer the full gut job, but for some reason I really liked the NRG2 blend.

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    I dunno, I only fiddled with it for 20 mins or so of light hitting. I am thinking of stringing up a gut/recoil blend because I am dying to know how it would play.

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  12. Pro_Tour_630

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    so for the price per 1/2 set of NRG you are paying three times more for the 1/2 set of VS
    So NRG is more economical since you can string more often for less? :) providing you are stringing your own which I assume you are

    you do break ALU in under 2 hours anyway so.....
     
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  13. Dyne

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    Thanks for the guide. I'm about to purchase a new racquet and needed to know what strings to get for it and this definitely helped. I'm on a budget so I can't test strings as you've said, but at least I have an idea of what I want to use now.

    And if not so much trouble, could someone give me a tip on strings for someone who:

    produce my own spin and power, but needs a bit more control? And on a budget, of course; so the more durable the better. I'm looking into a Hybrid blend so yeah. Also have a slight tennis elbow catching me, but hopefully I can tame it. I'll probably be getting a Prince Speedport White [Standard].
     
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  14. J011yroger

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    VS/ALU lasts as long as Full ALU, with the ALU mains breaking.

    NRG is not more economical since you have to pay for the ALU each time aswell.

    And no, I don't string for myself, I have neither the time, nor the inclination. And if I did have the time, my time is worth more than I pay to have my bats strung.

    J
     
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  15. J011yroger

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    What have you played with in the past, and what did you like/dislike about it.

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  16. Pro_Tour_630

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    I dunno J you are breaking ALU mains and VS in under two hours , NGR crosses is more economical IMO and in my case. You got all these different tensions, is NRG that much off when you have 16 frames strung differently laying around that it is unplayable after the first hour?, that it makes a huge difference between the first and the second hour of play?

    can I be your stringer, you are a good catch:) where is thomas martinez?

    now I appreciate more your time posting here, you have almost 4000K posts in one year, you are waisting around $15,000 in my estimation ( based upon you not wanting to string, time and money it costs to string, your time here roughly based on # posts per year) talking to us gear spec nerd heads, that alone could have paid for all your tennis gear this year.

    anyway does not matter if it is more economical, $ is not a factor, NRG crosses plays better for the first hour, you have so many frames and so many different tensions not sure about the next hour of play were you really need VS in cross instead, that is all, to each his own

    I know you usually string the ALU mains around 58 what about the cross's? VS and NRG
     
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  17. Dyne

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    This is actually the first time I've payed attention to strings [since I'm throwing ~$200 for a new racquet]. The only strings I know for fact that I've played with was Lightning XX 16g.

    I liked the string except I thought it had a bit too much power and was lacking durability. My cousin broke his set within a few weeks of hitting... averaging ~10 hours a week.

    I'm more of a power-topspin hitter at baseline, but I'm primarily an all-arounder -- serve and volleying 70% of the time.
     
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  18. Pro_Tour_630

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    J, Ok I had to read some of your old posts from last year, I get it somewhat, VS is breaking your ALU mains faster (under two hours) Many find that hard to believe but I believe you, while NRG is breaking or at least shearing after the first hour.

    Have you tried X-one Bisphase cross and were your stringers pre-stretching NGR?
     
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  19. J011yroger

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    Currently I just play ALU Straight up, and have no desire to change.

    Just posting my findings when I tried the hybrids before switching to the ALU fulltime so that others might benefit from it.

    When I played the blends I strung the crosses two pounds tighter than the ALU mains, so 56/58, 58/60, 60/62, 62/64 whatever.

    I let the frames sit for at least three days after being strung, to get the initial tension loss out of the way, and then it doesn't really matter how long they sit in my bag before I play them the tension doesn't seem to change very much as long as the frames stay in a good temperature, and I don't play them.

    When I played a full multi job, (Laserfibre Supernatural Gut 16) I was much more sensitive to tension loss, but with the poly I can't tell as much since the stringbed is so numb. I can still tell the difference between my two stringers, but either is playable just fine.

    I don't play different tensions anymore, I just string them all the same and deal with it. Keeping track of 6 different tensions was more trouble than it was worth, and I kept running out of 58s and 60s :)

    Been playing the Ks at 58 for two months now, and really am not liking it, so going to play at 60 for a month and see if that is better or I need to go to 62.

    58 was perfect on the N90s but it is too loose for the K90s.

    As far as money, I get my frames strung very reasonably, in fact everything I buy is very reasonably priced. And seriously, what I pay to have my frames strung (On a $5,000 machine which I wouldn't buy if I were to string myself) is less than my time is worth. Instead of stringing my own racquets for an hour, I would be better off paying someone to string my frames, and giving a lesson.

    Tom Martinez is doing fine, he did all the custom work on my frames.

    J
     
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  20. J011yroger

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    Try a high end multi, like NRG2, or NXT Tour (Basically the same string) if you want something crisper, X1, if you want something with more pop, Prince Premier.

    String it a hair tighter than the Lightning, and see how the durability is.

    J
     
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  21. J011yroger

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    Never sheared a string in my life, VS saws through the ALU mains, breaking them in the sweetspot just as fast as a full ALU job (Maybe faster). NRG frays and snaps in the sweetspot leaving the ALU mains unscathed.

    J
     
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  22. Pro_Tour_630

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    J, you are not worried about injuring your arm/shoulder using Full Poly in a K90 and you are thinking of going higher in tension? You were out for six years because of your arm. I would give anything to have my arm back like it was when I was 25.

    What does Tom say about VS cross sawing into the ALU rough mains in under 2 hours?
     
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  23. Loco4Tennis

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    has anyone ever tried using poly string below 53lbs, either crosses or mains
    i wonder if you notised any difference in the tension
     
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  24. 0d1n

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    But stringing twice as often will fatigue your frames much faster also. And rackets are expensive (and if you use an older model ... like you and I do...they can be pretty hard to find as well).
     
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  25. Pro_Tour_630

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    correct, but I want my frames to fatigue:confused: they feel more softer and more flexible but that may not apply to everyone.
     
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  26. J011yroger

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    Not really. Can't go around worrying about every little thing.

    Tom doesn't string for me, he just does the frames.

    Nothing unusual about the durability that piques my curiosity. That is just how it is.

    J
     
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    What helps also is Jo11y is using such heavy frames!

    I'm currently using a Aerogel 300, 12.8 ounces with full ALU Power at 60. My arm is feeling alot better. When I used the M-fil 400 strung with a multifilament, I started to get tennis elbow! A combination of the stiffness and low weight really did it for me. I've come to realize that a heavier frame really helps to reduce harmful vibrations.
     
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  28. Pro_Tour_630

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    you are correct more flexible and more HL frames for me as well was helpful, you see Polys added weight to the hoop of my frame as well which made noticeably more HH, you really have to be young, very fit with tons of bat speed to get away with it


    Please keep us posted how it turns out.
     
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  29. J011yroger

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    I have all that stuff covered, now if only I was fast, smart, and consistient then I could win something.

    J
     
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  30. iplaybetter

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    nxt tour is actually x-1 tecnifibre makes it for wilson
     
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    X-1 and NXT Tour look and play completely different...
     
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    I don't think NXT = X1, but I know the NXT is created by Tecnifibre. The guy who told me works for Tecnifibre and said something to the affect of "we don't give them our top quality stuff." Meaning that that they sell Wilson their cheaper multi to package as NXT.

    My question, and I hope someone can answer this, is if Tecnifibre makes Wilson's NXT, and Babolat makes their natural gut, what else of Wilson's isn't made by Wilson?
     
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    Yeah NXT is 100% not X-1....I wonder which Tecnifibre string is the same as wilson nxt...any ideas?

    Im sure many of wilsons strings are made for them by other companies...

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  34. iplaybetter

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    i am just passing on what i have been told, like the x-1 but haven't used the nxt in a while
     
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  35. Katlion

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    Hey, thanks dude... how long did it take you to type all of this??
     
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    If you look at NXT Tour and X-1 they look very different just in appearance...

    Nick
     
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  37. Pro_Tour_630

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    your answer should be NXT is not really NRG, they are different some may like NXT for some reason while some may like NGR for another reason. For one look at the gauges of their counter parts they are not the same.
     
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  38. MaOira

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    Hey question about Hybrids.

    I keep reading that in a poly/gut or multi hyprid string string the poly a couple pounds less than the gut or multi cross.

    What about in a multi or gut/syn hybrid? Do you string the same way, or the same tension all around?
     
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  39. iplaybetter

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    i dont think so
     
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  40. nickb

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    OK they are the same string. :roll:
     
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  41. J011yroger

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    NXT is more similar to NRG2 than to X1

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    Ummm, more than an hour, less than two?

    J
     
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  43. Dyne

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    Cool. And are you suggesting a full setup like that? I was looking at your guide and Multis seem really nice. I'll go with that and work my way tinkering around. Thanks.
     
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    Ya, they play pretty nicely, I think just what the doctor ordered for you.

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  47. iplaybetter

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    i thought they had a similar pale white thingy count but i would need to see a piece of each next to the other
     
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  48. sruckauf

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    DOH! My bad.
     
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    I'm sure that all reading know much more than I do about strings, so here's my query: should I change from PSG Dura crosses to a multifilament? I see Jolly's multifilament write-up, & am curious if this is how I should go. The PSG obviously doesn't last me all that long.

    Along with that, what multi would you guys recommend?

    Of side note, here's something that I just learned from my stringer: black strings are softer than their lighter counterparts. I decided to try PSG Dura in black, and it was a big difference between black and my normal lime green choice. My stringer explained to me that this is something that he's run into with many different strings. Apparently the black dye softens the string. In short, if you like a string but it might be a bit too stiff for you, see if it's offered in black.
     
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  50. SlapShot

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    That's interesting.

    I've noticed that POSG in gold is softer than POSG in white - haven't tried with PSGD.
     

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