Discussion in 'Strings' started by J011yroger, Mar 8, 2008.
No prob. Let me know how it works out for ya.
A brief after-action report: I'm used to 16 gauge synthetic gut strung at 54 lbs. in my LM Radical midplus. Previously I had strung 17 gauge synthetic gut at 56 lbs. This time I strung Prince Original Synthetic Gut 17 at 54 lbs. and tried it out. (I know the idea was to string looser, but since I had strung 17 gauge tighter before, I went with 2 lbs. looser than my last try with 17's.) I tried it for about 8 hours, drills and doubles matches.
With the 17's, I felt like I had more spin on the ball and felt like I could swing faster and still not hit it out. Same stroke, more spin, more margin for error over the net. But it was at the net where I really felt the difference. Volleys felt lighter and weaker. They sat up and lacked weight and punch. Then I picked up my other racquet with 16 gauge Jim Courier synthetic gut at 54 lbs. I felt like a had a more solid, more powerful shot from all over the court. A bit less spin, but much more solid, especially at the net.
Maybe there's more going on here than just string gauge (maybe the racquet with the 16's also happens to have more weight in the head). Maybe I should drop the 17's down to 52 lbs. and then compare (though I don't know how that would change the feel at the net, which was the biggest difference I noticed). Or maybe I'm just the sort of unadventurous soul who likes what he's used to and nothing else. Bottom line, J011y, on this trial run, 17's did just what you said they would, but for some reason I still prefer the feel of 16's in my 18x20 racquets.
Yea man, I am the same way, I like what I like and that's it.
Bottom line is you need to decide how you want to play the game, and string with what allows you to do that best, then take it from there, and adjust on the other aspects of the game.
With the 17s you would probably volley much better if you strung it 4lb tighter, but then would suffer from the back court.
Up to you to chose one aspect of your game over another, or to split the difference.
I need help to find which type of string would fit my game best, i hope you can give me some tips.
Right now i use poly (Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power 16L) at 57 and so far it's been very good, although i do feel it a little stiff and i'm not sure if my shoulder would be tired soon. The only reason i bought this string is because of the added spin and that it would not break, that is, i won't need to restring every month (i would like every, 3 months because of the cost).
I've never been a string breaker, i play 7 hours a week (average) and i would like a string that allows me to generate good spin (i dont hit much spin, but would like to) and keeps the tension for long time (2 - 3 months). Which string would you suggest? (if possible give me a "best option" and a "best low cost" option).
Thank you very much in advance.
Natural Gut keeps tension for long periods of time.
What is your playing level and style?
I'm a 4.0 player, baseliner (although sometimes i like to approach to the net). Im using a Head LM Radical MP.
Nat Gut would be best, but probably something like Wilson NXT Tour/TechnifibreNRG2 would be a good baseline for you. Try that, and report what you like/don't like about it, and take it from there.
Thank you very much for your tip. I'll try one of those 2 you recommend and then i'll post how they performed.
I had spikey & excel in my PD, but soon the elbow swelled up with much pain, so I put in PSG duroflex (s?) - now when I get a short ball to the forehand side it goes ten feet out, literally..
My wrist is barely to the point where I can hit low short forehands again.
It is one of the last things to come back.
The best gut i have found is Klip Legend(uncoated ) it really is worth the money
hey jolly, I was wondering about poly strings.
I hit with a western grip forehand and same with backhand and I play with a full stringbed of 17g of Cyberflash. I have broken these already twice, and before i broke my PHT all one months time.
I also have one of my LM strung up with full ALUBB, and i hate it with a passion right now. I have a set of Pro Supex BA coming, which I heard is REALLY soft for a polyester string. My bat speed isnt AMAZING, but i can do something, do you think hybriding in a multi/synth may help me be less dependent on consistent batspeed? Or should i refer back to synthetics, that Ihavent ever palyed on my LM yet.
Are you breaking the poly in the sweetspot, or shearing it on offcenter hits?
2 off-centers, 1 sweetspot area.
Edit: Sorry confused you for someone else!
Try the synguts as a starting point, and if you don't like them, and want to stiffen it up a bit and get some more bite, then throw your softer poly mains at the frame.
Just make sure you are not sacrificing depth.
Back third of the court on 75% of your balls!!!!!
ahaa. kk. ill have these two strung up with a hybrid and a synthetic one to give each a shot. thanks for the help.
75% a third, how abouat 100% past the baseline...lol...jk
LOL, I have been known to try to take down the back wall a time or two in my day
played with XR3 for 3 days now. Good overall but it moves a lot. Will it help if I hybrid with SPPPpure1.18(main)? Thanks.
Yea, but do you want to play better or do you want your strings to stay still?
I actually have an SPPP and Cyberflash question. A hear a lot about how these strings are so playable and hold tension well. Playability I know is relatively speaking seeing as all poly is relatively unplayable. What about tension though? Can either hold tension nearly as well as syn gut or a multi? How do these poly's compare in general to syn gut and multifilament strings?
They advertise that they hold tension well, but that is for a poly.
No poly is really going to be as good as a syn or multi.
what do you mean? are you saying Hybriding it will reduce performance?
I want to play better but I'm just curious if the hybrid will help the string to stay still w/o losing performance.
In the beginning, you mentioned that Nylon is junk. Could you elaborate a bit on that ?
I'm back to ask for a bit more help. The strings didn't beak too fast on me. A week shy of a month, I think. ( Set-up shown in signature )
Scenario: I practice a lot. Usually 3-5 hours a day, 4-6 days a week. The day before a hard match I was doing some heavy hitting. The strings started to really move at that point. Now during the match I hit a running forehand broke the strings. They snapped at the bottom of the racquet.
So I loved the strings. There wasn't much not to like about them. But I have a few questions:
Is there a string that performs like the NRG2 I can test?
Would stringing them at 56 lbs increase the durability and performance of the string?
Should I move to a poly even though I have slight tennis elbow?
My main concern right now is being able to keep my strings alive for another month while keeping the performance. I have a tournament in a couple weeks and high school districts at the end of the month. I don't want to have to restring twice a month due to lack of money.
I doubt that you will hit the same quality ball with the hybrid as you do with the full syn setup.
It is just extremely cheap to make, and doesn't do anything particularly well. It is a very basic string. If you are a beginner-low intermediate, and looking to save money, then it is servicable, but there are several basic synguts that are just a dollar or two more, that are just all around better performing strings.
If they broke at the very bottom of the racquet it was likely due to a mishit, and not much you can do about that.
You are getting 60+ hours out of a stringjob, that is a lot. Get used to restringing, it will only happen more frequently as you get better.
If you really want to extend durability, then use stringsavers.
As per the guide, the reason to string looser, would be to increase your depth.
If you have any hint of tennis elbow, don't switch to a poly blend.
And if you are getting 60 hours out of NRG2 you don't have the batspeed to make poly work well for you.
Jolly, quick question about playability.
How playable are multis and synthetic guts throughout their life? Will they start to play bad like poly after a while or will they maintain their playability throughout the duration of their use? For example PSGD, or Biphase, or NRG2.
Also, if I hydrid a poly with a synthetic gut, will that increase playabilty, durability, and tension maintinence more so than a full poly or a full synthetic gut set-up? Lets just say something like Cyberflash, and Gosen OG Micro.
Almost anything on the planet will play better for longer than a poly.
Hybriding won't really help the situation.
Bottom line, if you don't want to restring frequently, poly isn't for you.
It just that I really like polys, but I also like freshly strung, and crisp synthetic guts [but I hate moving them -_-]. But I break synthetic guts pretty fast and don't want to pay for too many restringings for either one..
Sorry buddy, there is no silver bullet, you either restring often, or you deal with something that isn't as good.
Anyone who claims otherwise is full of it, or deluding themselves, or just isn't good enough to tell the difference.
i like the feel, spin and power level from a poly, but i hate cutting it out and so do my parents. Would i lose a lot of the control and spin by trying a full syn gut or a syn gut/poly hybrid?
Jo11yroger is right on the money with his information. If you guys want to save yourself some time + money just take his advise. His guide to stringing is exactly correct, great information.
My only complaint is i wish he would have put this out a couple years ago, would have saved me a lot of money. Just kidding Jo11yroger, i probably would have had to try all these different string jobs anyway.
I always get a kick out of these guys that say they can play with poly for weeks+ it doesnt feel that bad. Like the man says if you want to use poly just plan on restringing often. i use it for 3 hours+ then i will use it for a backup racquet only.
One question for jo11yroger what do you think of the kevlar mains at low tension with syn. x's. I have tried this setup in my speedport black + it is better than anything i have used. I put 18 g. kevlar at 48 lbs. + tnt2 at 54 lbs.+ this plays great.
I was playing weisscannon or alu flouro at 68 lbs+ of course it played great for a couple of hours+ that was it. The only thing i am worried about is the kevlar being harsh on the arm, but so far it seems fine at this low tension.
I can not believe how much better this setup plays, even better than the new poly. It seems to take the lack of control out of this racquet, but still leave me with plenty of power.
Thanks for the help, Jolly. I think I'm going to try the NXT Tour next -- another one of your suggestions. I decided I'll test out all the "good" high-end multis and find the one I like.
Try a full syn gut and see how long it lasts you, and how you like it.
You are gonna be in the same boat cutting out hybrid jobs, so I don't see any real need to try that.
What you are talking about is a feel thing, I do think that the great majority of people will hit a higher quality ball with a syn gut over a poly.
Sounds like a good plan.
Not a big kevlar player myself. Once I started to put sufficient hurt on the ball that I was breaking multis in 1/2-1 hour I switched to the Lux.
Kevlar will bite harder than poly at lower batspeeds but once you cross a certain batspeed threshold, the poly will eclipse the kevlar performance wise.
Actually... I am not sure exactly what you are asking
Higher quality as in...
Probably more depth/spin.
However you get more power with a synth gut, but just before it breaks it gets really powerful and impossible for BH slices (for me anyway)
More pace and spin with a given swing. Poly doesn't generate pace or spin on its own, it just allows you to hit the ball harder and keep it in, however you need to have that ability within yourself. If you don't have excess batspeed, then you need to float the ball in order to maintain depth which results in a lower quality ball, less pace and a looser spin.
With a poly, i find the faster i swing, the more spin i get, and the shorter it lands.
I really do like the kick off blue gear, but maybe i should try full syn gut.
Hitting short is unacceptable if you wish to advance as a player.
I cannot put into words how important depth is to playing tennis.
When trying various string combinations, depth must be maintained, and the quality of your ball at the same depth must be evaluated.
So in your case, you would need to either alter your swing putting more emphasis on forward and less on topspin, and thus generating a lesser quality ball, or string looser to reclaim your depth.
Your nice, easy, even, smooth, moderate swing should have the ball landing in the back 1/3 of the court. I mean it should be effortless to hit the ball that deep ALL THE TIME!!!
Full syn gut will give you more pop, taking your ball deeper and allowing you to put more of your racquethead speed into generating topspin, thereby allowing you to hit the same depth with more pace and more spin, ie. a higher quality ball.
Okay, thank you.
Do you have any synthetic guts you suggest me trying to start off?
I see you are using alu power (can't remember whether its rough or not now)
Are you an advanced player?
As you know i use PSGD and its very crisp, nice spin/power and is easy to string etc
Buy some off e bay.com.
1 ending soon for £25 incl shipping or you could buy now for £30 shipped
Start with Prince Synthetic, that is pretty much the benchmark string.
Sorry i wasnt clear Jo11yroger, my question was do you think that kevlar at real low tension will be hard on the arm? The speedport black is pretty stiff, but i was able to use poly at high tension+ get away with it.
You say that once you reach a certain batspeed the poly will play better? I think i know what you mean, but when the racquet you are using is a powerful it seems like the kevlar works better for me.
I use western grip+ i believe i have a fast swing, i put a lot of topspin on the ball. But it seems like i can even swing faster with the kevlar because the ball will always come down, were with the poly if i am off a little the ball will go long.
You gotta listen to your body, everyone is different.
If it starts to hurt, try something else.
On the topic of Kevlar strings at low tension, what's your opinion on it, Jolly? It makes me want to try it out sometime later. Sounds really interesting and cheap. Most of the feedback I've gotten from it has been positive.
Again, what's your opinion -- if you can give one?
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