The J011yroger guide to strings.

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  1. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    Well, if you took something like the K-Six-Two for a spin, and told me what you thought of that, then we could work from there, but there is little reason to change something just for the sake of changing it. Whenever someone approaches me about changing frames, I ask them what they are trying to accomplish. If they have a specific need, then we work with that. If not, and they just want something to make them play better, then it is off to the practice courts with them.

    I would like to say that I am really, REALLY intrigued by the prospects of an equipment consulting business.

    I am going to send out some feelers, and see how much interest there is in it.

    Something that I never considered that there would be a market for, but I can see working out quite well.

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  2. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    J011yroger Is Moving!

    Gonna be around a little less for the next little while as I am in mid move (who ever knew I had this much stuff?!?!).

    Anyhow my internet is off in my old place, and not up yet in my new place, and most of my spare time, not at work, on court, or in the gym is being spent moving stuff and fixing up the new place.

    Just to let you know I won't be around as much the next couple/few weeks.

    Any private e-mails, or thread questions I will reply to when I can.

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  3. 10sbune

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    Thanks Jollyroger. I'll take the K-Six-Two out for a spin and will report back. I'm not looking for a racquet that makes me play better, but rather something that fits me and my style of play and my game. In other words, I'm looking for a good fit which will allow me to play my best tennis possible. I'm all for hitting the practice courts.

    I have a number of tennis friends that go thru this racket dilemma. I think they need a non-interested third party to give them an independent opinion on what is a good fit for them. Most of the time we rely on a pro (who is usually sponsored by a racket maker and thus not impartial) or a racquet shop and they are usually trying to promote the latest stuff or whatever they have the greatest inventory they are trying to unload and thus no impartiality there either.

    Good luck in your move.....hope all goes well.

    10sbune
     
  4. In)SpiRe

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    Hey Jo11y, I've alwayz been curious. What other strings do you think are decent/pretty good besides the ALU Rough?
     
  5. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    NRG2/NXT Tour

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    Laserfibre Supernatural Gut 16

    When I was younger I used PSG, then switched to Prince DNA Helix.

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  6. 10sbune

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    Hi Jollyroger,

    I haven't been able to take the K-Six-Two out yet for a demo, but I have been hitting extensively with the KTour. I like everything about the stick except for one thing-----the sweetspot must be the size of a pea and if I hit off-center the racket torques immediately. This happens on volleys and balls I'm returning with heavy pace including service returns. I mean if I am not perfect everytime, the racket twists. I would guestimate I am not perfect 2 out of 8 shots. So that's a little disconcerting and I don't know what I can do to resolve the situation. Yes, I know I could become a better tennis player which I'm working on, but this one thing is driving me nuts! By comparison, I've been demo'ing a Speedport Tour for about a week. There is no twisting or torquing whatsoever. The only thing I don't like about that stick is it doesn't have enough heft on groundies. The head feels very light. I'm going to experiment with some lead tape and see if that helps.
     
  7. J011yroger

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    I would say a touch at 3 and 9, then take the grip off and wrap 1.5X the amount you put in the head at the base of the grip. If you don't want to mess with the grip, then you can put the same amount as you put in the head just above the grip collar and cover it with tape.

    That should help with your stability issues, but watch out for these telltale signs that your frame is too heavy.

    1. Tardy on service returns (shouldn't be an issue considering whom you are playing against, and your grips.)

    2. Serves slow down, and go long.

    3. Loss of depth when you are on the move.

    Let me know how it works out for you.

    J
     
  8. 10sbune

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    Thanks J. Today on the Speedport Tour I tried lead at 9 and 3 and I liked the feel. I had a little more heft to my groundies, yet the stick was still maneuverable enough for volleys, slice, and touch shots. I really haven't tried serving with it yet. This racket is alot more flexier than the KTour----I can do almost any shot with it whereas with the KTour I found I really struggled with touch shots. I was having a tough time returning serves with the Ktour---I was "tardy" often --- didn't realize that was a telltale sign that the stick was too heavy. But the Speedport is heavier than the KTour, yet seems more flexie to me and I get it around easier. I'm becoming a little discouraged with the journey I've taken to find a racket for my game.....I don't think I'm trying too hard..I just wish I would find something that was a good fit for me.
     
  9. J011yroger

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    Despite its lighter static weight the Ktour has a higher SW due to its head heavy balance.

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  10. samster

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    Jo11y, Jo11y, Jo11y!
     
  11. desnj1

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    J011yroger, where in LI are you located?
     
  12. J011yroger

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    Western suffolk, North shore.

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  13. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    If you are nearby and want to hit, fire me an e-mail.

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  14. desnj1

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    My parents are in suffolk, stony brook. anywhere near you?
     
  15. J011yroger

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    15min from where I work, 45 from where I live.

    Gimme a shout when you are in town.

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  16. 2ndserveace

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    great guide. I was particularly intrigued by the section about how different types of stringing machines string differently. I had always wondered why my racquets felt stiffer than the 60lbs I strung them at on an electronic machine. It probably didn't help that i strung with full poly in an 18x20 pattern either.
     
  17. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    Thanks for the props.

    Re: your SN, I hit 3 2nd serve aces in one game today. For sure a personal best. That has gotta put some points on my man card.

    J
     
  18. 2ndserveace

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    Congrats, impressive accomplishment.
     
  19. ag200boy

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    i officially award you 7.5 man points
     
  20. J011yroger

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    I left out the part about totalling 3 first serve aces the entire match lol.

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  21. J011yroger

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    WooHoo! Still at -4 points though. . . Guess I need to go buy a chainsaw.

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  22. 2ndserveace

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    So either you have a really good 2nd serve or your 1st serve wasn't working that day.
     
  23. ag200boy

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    hmmm....i dont know if a chainsaw will be 4 points

    get an axe and a chainsaw, that might cut it
     
  24. CHOcobo

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    i have a question. if poly strings are bad for your arms and multi are good for your arm, then are the multi-poly strings good or bad for your arm?
     
  25. ag200boy

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    poly arent necessarily bad for your arms, they are only bad if you have TE
     
  26. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    Just a fluke.

    It is rare for me to hit many aces since I go to the body often.

    And, yea, I have the second serve of doom.

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  27. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    Fastest topspin serve I have hit on the gun was 115mph.

    I probably average 103-108 with my 2nd ball.

    But I double fault a lot, so it evens out.

    Heaven forbid I actually be comprehensively good at something.

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  28. urbo73

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    Jolly,

    I know you recommend the Prince Synthetic Gut Original as a good string/starting point, but what do you think of the Prince Synthetic Gut Multifilament or the Prince Synthetic Gut w/ Duraflex? More of the same? Subtle differences mainly that a 3.5 player can't tell, etc?
     
  29. J011yroger

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    PSGD is a fine string too, almost interchangable with orig. If you wanted to step up to a multi, go straight to the Prince Premier, and skip over the syngut multi. Premier is a good string, and one of the if not the most powerful multis I have ever hit. Also nice and soft feeling if you like stuff like that.

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  30. Nanshiki

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    Personally, I either can't stand PSGD or can't play worth a damn with my racquet. It felt "fresh" for about 3-4 hours of play and I couldn't serve worth a damn with it (first serve doesn't work at all, period, after it's no longer fresh). Second serve is respectable, though.

    otoh, when I demoed a Prince SP Black LB with a PSG/Tour hybrid, I could serve like some sort of Roddick clone... fast AND reliable, and with good spin on the second. I think this string job was only a few hours old, a rarity for a demo racquet, since the racquet just came out).

    I've got some serious notching in it after 10 hours and I don't think it's got much left before it's going to break (I would have cut it out but I don't have money for new strings, lol).
     
  31. urbo73

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    Jolly, you said this about multis:

    "The next step up from Syn-Guts. Multis hold tension better, are more powerful, are soft and easy on the arm/joints. If you find that your syn-gut stringjob is getting gooey before it is breaking, if you want a bit more feel, or if you want a bit more zip or bite on your ball, then a nice multi would be the next thing to try. Multis are more expensive, and generally they are not terribly durable."

    So why would one NOT get a multi? What advantages does a regular syn have - just price? Slightly more durable? For example in the case of these 3 Prince strings. This is what confuses me. I can see the clear difference between poly, but here I cannot from the description. Sounds like multis are always better.
     
  32. logansc

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    But they also break the easiest and are very expensive if you get top end multi's. That could really blow a hole in your wallet if you are a string breaker.
     
  33. urbo73

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    So if I'm not a string breaker, which I'm not, then the only thing is price? As I change once a month anyway, for me it's not that expensive. What would be some good multis for someone who plays 8-10hrs/week? NRG 17? Wilson NXT Tour 17? Prince 17?

    I want a string that, after the initial 24hour tensions loss, will maintain it's tensions best for about 1 month for my 8-10hrs/week playing.
     
  34. Kevo

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    Multis are an incredibly broad string category. Syn guts are largely similar or the same between brands, and there are only a small number of variations that matter.

    Multi's have a huge array of constructions and materials involved, and they are universally more expensive than syn gut. So the multi's are always better is only true when talking about the upper class of multis, and ignoring price in the comparison. The less expensive ones in the $7 range are all about tradeoffs. More feel, less durability, more durability, less feel. They tend to work that way until you get over $10 although there are exceptions.

    Me personally, I like the poly/multi or poly/syn gut hybrid. I think it's the best combination for the money, especially with some of the newer less expensive polys like cyberpower.
     
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    Some peeps feel that multis go soft, while syngut stays crisp.

    Some say that you get better durability with a syngut cross compared to a multi cross in a poly hybrid.

    I personally think multis are always better.

    I do know quite a few good players, who use basic syngut, and just crack the ball until their string breaks (usually not very long).

    It is what you are used to.

    Many of the better players I know who use basic synguts just are not really gearheads, and have played it their whole life and are used to it.

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  37. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    One thing to guard against, is watch out for people who swear up and down that something they do or play with is better than something rumored to be more expensive or better.

    I know I am going to ruffle somebodys feathers by saying this, but everyone here knows the people I am talking about.

    They are the people who say that a BMW is just a waste of money, and their Hyundai is just as good, and gets them from A-B, and they don't see why anyone would ever need a BMW. The "I don't want a fancy car group."

    The same applies with racquets and strings.

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  38. Richie Rich

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    it's all about preferences and tastes. what is good for one person isn't going to be good for another. i don't like people that preach about either. let everyone find what works for them
     
  39. schwuller

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    j011yroger: i would love to know your opinion of my current favorite string (in my 90 sq. rackets), ashaway dynamite. also i'd like to know what other strings are your personal favorite, or strings that you consider to be 'must tries.' i would also like you to break down the different natural gut strings. i use vs gut, and have never even tried any other.
     
  40. J011yroger

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    Never tried Ashaway Dynamite, and the only gut I have ever used in a full job was VS. Used Klip in a hybrid.

    I am not someone who likes to try all different kinds of stuff, I play with one racquet, and one string.

    And bust my tail on the practice court.

    The only times I try different racquets or strings is if I am asked to try them by the manufacturer or rep, or if for some strange curious reason I get the urge to see how something hits.

    So I play most Wilson frames for a few mins, and a good handful of each type of string, just enough so I can pick out something suitable for each person.

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  41. schwuller

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    i appreciate your response.
     
  42. bdeering

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    Jolly,

    I was wondering if I could get your opinion on a set-up I am considering. I am currently hitting a Pure Drive 107 with Ashaway Aramid 16g in the mains @ 59 and Gamma Prodigy in the crosses @ 61. I am considering using a natural gut in the crosses. How do you think that setup would work with either the KLIP or some other nat. gut?

    I am a hard hitter with a good amount of topspin but would like more. I currently have a new set of BB ALU Power, a new set of BB ALU Power Rough, and a new set of the Ashaway Crossfire 16/17 but I generally do not care for the syn. gut that Ashaway provides. I like the feel of the Kevlar and its consistency but am looking to experiment with cross strings.

    I do not have any arm problems so that aspect is not particularly important to me. I have only used polys briefly and liked them but probably did not have long enough to feel the downside.

    I am open for any combo suggestion and have even considered the BB Power or Rough in the crosses but have been a little hesitant to pull the trigger on that.

    Any insight or suggestion that you can offer will be appreciated.

    Thanks,

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  43. J011yroger

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    Sorry I missed that post bud.

    The Kevlar gut blends are pretty good, the bite of the kevlar, but some good pop from the gut.

    As far as lux blends go, I actually like how ALU mains and NRG2 crosses play, but that lasts me about half as long as an ALU/VS blend.

    The only way to tell for sure is to string up the variations.

    How many hours do you get out of your current stringjob?

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  44. J011yroger

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    Oh, and as far as klip goes, it plays alright in blends, a good cheaper alternative to VS.

    But I prefer VS.

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  45. Mansewerz

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    Hey Jo11y, ever tried pro supex maxim touch?
     
  46. J011yroger

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    Nope, all ALU all the time.

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  47. samster

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    This would last about 10 minutes for the Jo11y Man.
     
  48. J011yroger

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    This morning I broke 2 ALU jobs within 10 mins of each other. And my hitting partner broke a Problend job.

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  49. samster

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    brand new ALU jobs?
     
  50. nadalfan!

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    Dang you Jo11y, I really need to break my luxilon touch hybrid but how do you break them if they only lose tension and don't break?
     

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