The "JET" Experiment- Full poly @ low tension

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  1. alidisperanza

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    I was bored and can't find court time locally so I strung up a full poly (TourBite 17/ PL. II 17) FXP Radical Tour 16x19 as close to "JET" as published-- finger tuning and all.

    Stringing Machine: Eagnas Flash 825 (Upgraded clamps)
    String: Tour Bite 17/ PL II. 17
    Tension: All time low of 49 Reference tension
    Usual tension:54-56
    Racquet: Head Flexpoint Radical Tour. 100sq. in, 16x19 pattern

    Here's how it works:
    Center 3 mains L + R are strung @ Reference tension (49lbs)
    Next 3 mains (4-6 L+ R) are strung 4lbs lower (45lbs)
    Skip Main 7, thread main 8 then fill in 7. Double pull at 4lbs over reference tension (53lbs)
    Finger tune so that mains 6-8 increase in pitch as you go from the inside to the outside of the frame.
    Tie off @ 6T

    Crosses:
    Crosses 1-2 String @ reference + 4lbs (53lbs)
    Crosses 3-17 String @ reference tension
    Skip cross 18 and weave final cross, filling in 18 after. Double Pull @ 8lbs over reference (57lbs)
    Tie off as close as possible.

    This wasn't a terribly hard method of stringing-- if anything, stringing at lower tension is easier on the fingers than dealing with TB @ 54 or even 60. The stringbed does feel a lot softer and "gives" more when tapping it against the hand. Beware the traffic jam that is the 6-8T on this particular frame. It is an absolute disaster.

    EDIT 2.12.12
    Ok whoah, this thread blew up!

    Play time: 1.5 hours of casual doubles
    0.5 hours of heavy hitting Fh + Bh

    Extreme ball pocketing-- coming from 56lbs I actually uttered a rare "holy sh*t" when hitting my first forehand. The dwell time is significantly increased.

    Softer feel-- it definitely doesn't feel like the poly I'm used to but then again it's also strung @7lbs reference tension lower than what I usually string. I'm traditionally used to a crisp response from my string bed when playing with synthetics. While this certainly didn't feel like gut, it was surprising.

    Power and spin-- here's where my opinion deviates. This setup is certainly a double edged sword. Playing casual doubles yielded a completely different experience than the last half hour of hitting where I had the opportunity to hit with a higher caliber player and lay into the ball.

    Part 1- I noticed that when hitting the slower flat balls of my opponents, I really had to pay attention to my technique and had to focus more on spin production than anything else. Small adjustments sometimes broke the bank and I found myself returning some balls to the back curtain whereas normally they would only be at max a foot or two out. Having said that, if I slowed down my swing I was able to "casually" hit the ball with confidence and depth. It almost felt like hitting a teaching ball; pace was lacking but with significantly more spin. Definitely took some adjustments.

    Volleying was great-- very snappy

    Serving was HORRENDOUS-- for the life of me, I could not adjust to this setup in the time allotted. No flat serve, no slice serve, all I was consistently able to do was hit a slow topspin serve and an occasional kick serve. Definitely need to spend some time and effort to get this one down. For a minute I even thought it was me-- picked up my normally strung stick for a game and served 6 balls, a double fault an inch off the line, 3 first serve winners, and an ace.

    Part 2- Laying into the ball had an entirely different feel. At first I was making silly errors on my back hand because I was going for too much-- Slowed down my swing speed just a touch to adjust and I found a groove. I was definitely satisfied with the way I was hitting. Something about hitting a heavier paced ball seemed to jive with this setup and I was able to vary my shots a bit flat to spin. Hitting late with this setup is a disaster. The ball flies and simply doesn't stop.

    Did I miss the crisp response of the stringbed? Yes, absolutely. Is it worth the sacrifice for being able to slow down a little bit while still hitting a quality ball? So far so good-- it could just be that I was finally happy to get away from the doubles and hit the ball with my buddy. We'll see how it goes. Overall-- very interesting. Did it make me play like Federer? Hell no, but it was certainly different and not in a negative way. Ultimately, the hitting response felt good but unless I can get some serving time and adjust to the string bed, this is a cut job. I simply can't sacrifice my serve for a better forehand.

    EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention. Strings are already notched-- Not looking great for even a 20hr mark...

    Update: 2.15.2012
    Put in ~1.5 hours on the test frame again tonight with some skilled players hitting solid balls. Half hour-45 minutes strong warmup then more doubles. Similar results.

    I think this style of stringing performs favorably for heavy hitters. I'm finding I have to work a lot harder to keep the soft fluffy balls in than winding up for a shot. Having said that my previous commentary still stands-- when laying into the ball you have to be on target. If one hits flat and late, or if you hit the ball early/ open--you're chasing down balls. A positive note, I really do like the way this setup volleys. A negative note, serving still came with mixed results-- some very nice serves, most terrible.

    Wear and tear: Definitely not a 20 hour frame... Tour Bite is half-way notched :( String movement is starting to be noticeable and about half way through hitting I noticed a shift in the feel of the ball on the string bed. Instead of the pocket and grip, shots started to feel a little more hollow. Not terrible but I have a hunch the strings are starting to reach the "dead zone"

    Edit:2.18.12
    I had the chance to put in another 1.5hrs with this frame last night. I think... I think... I may be a convert to the church of [Low]Polystringism.

    Started off with a nice strong warmup (45 minutes)-- very solid control. Found a great groove to strokes and was able to really hit the ball however I pleased. I was very satisfied with the way I was playing. While the strings didn't feel "fresh," they were still more than comfortable and tolerable. I think what I noticed the other night was a result of who I was playing with more than the "death" of the string. My hitting partner the other night hits a very heavy ball that plows into your frame. Last night, my hitting partner was consistent, hit fairly hard, but did not have the same bite.

    Took a decent warmup in serving with similar (a trashy 40%) results and soon after started playing.

    Here comes the crazy part...

    Opened up a fresh can of balls (Penn ATP) and figured I'd get my shameful service game over with. Sweet Mother of God-- I was serving clean from ball 1. I finished my service game in 5 balls exactly. Unreturned, Unreturned, Ace, Partner missed a volley, Serve + overhead winner from my partner. I don't know if it was the new balls, or quite possibly that I was nervous to be playing with new, skilled, players and stepped up my game but it worked and it stuck. I had positive service games for the next 2 sets.

    Now comes the even whackier part. After such successful service, I started serving + volleying and began to build some confidence. Sweet Jesus save me now, I was possessed! Some demon incarnation inhabited my body and I was volleying like a madman. I was feared... FEARED!!! Never in all my years of playing tennis have I ever heard the words uttered, "Don't hit it to him" while at the net until last night. If anything it's the polar opposite! I'm like a 2-left-feet Andy Roddick sans opposable thumbs at the net.

    I now pass the following decree: This low tension poly biz is THE best volleying setup I've come across in all of my years and string-tests. I would venture to say that for me, it surpasses Gut/ SilverString only because the slightly lower power gives me a better margin of error.


    In short, whether it's low tensioned poly, or the method of stringing, I'm convinced. I'm ready to say goodbye to the mid-50s and can't wait until my reel of string comes so that I can test out the difference in my LM Rad MPs and the difference between regular stringing/"Jet" with the same string, same tension, and same frames.

    I'll keep posting but from now on it'll only be if there's a major change, to update time played or @ a pop. Thanks for reading!

    Edit :2.26.12

    It FINALLY popped... I set out tonight and was determined. It was going to happen. An hour + 45 mins later of rallying singles it was hanging on by a thread. Usually, TB snaps as soon as it starts to shift around. This bed had a death grip on full blast. Exhausted but determined I started wailing as hard as I could on the ball (my hitting partner was none to happy) and finally SNAP! :)

    Final thoughts: still was plenty comfortable to hit with but there was nothing extra there. The strings shifted around and simply didn't give that great access to spin they had when fresh.
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    Total time playing 8.5 hours
     
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  2. mad dog1

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    alidisperanza, the double pulls in the JET/JayCee method is only you're using SW double and triple floating clamps. it's not necessary when you're using fixed clamps. with fixed clamps you won't lose as much tension as w/ the floating clamps.

    in fact the more that i've been thinking about it, i think you may only need to bump up tension on the final main (7th main) +4#s to account for tension loss due to the tie off.

    the same applies to the crosses. again John is using floating clamps so he's bumping up tension on the first 2 crosses by +4. i set a parnell knot as my starting knot for the crosses and pull at reference tension for all the crosses except from the final cross where i increase by +4#s to account for tension loss due to the tie off.

    the key is not to follow these instructions to a tee, but to understand what he's doing and why. when you understand the why, you'll be able to modify the technique to work for your circumstance. his instructions specifically apply to use of floating clamps which he claims are the best.
     
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  3. nickarnold2000

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    I used to string poly in the 50s but now I'm really happy stringing in the low 40s(IMO, it's all about racket speed resulting in massive spin that controls the ball). This is a winter tension as I'll probably go up a few lbs for the hot summer weather.
    I'm looking forward to your test results. BTW, how quickly do you break poly?
     
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    Tell us if it really is magical. Everyone wants to know.
     
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    Not sure why there's such a sudden interest in the BS-Tec stringing method - there are quite a few threads on it already.

    Long story short - slow pulls just produce a mushy, mushy stringbed which doesn't inspire confidence during matchplay, and the varying tensions between the inner / outer mains just produces a mushy, mushy spot in the center of the stringbed, again which it doesn't inspire confidence during matchplay. It just feels too soggy.
     
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  6. Meaghan

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    Come on torres, say it as it is eh :)

    I've just strung my melbourne with b5e 1.24 mains and iontec 1.20 crosses @45lbs using a jaycee-lite method pretty much as mad dog describes above. Played today, had five sets of doubles, won four, lost one, the stringbed was not mushy, it was plush and responsive, crisp with the b5e mains, spin was superb, power as you'd expect, very controllable, best set up in my melbourne so far, nice even stringbed, great results.

    Next up tourna 7 16g mains, lux timo 1.10 crosses.
     
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    This has less to do with JET than B5E. But when I play doubles, esp. for volleys and defensive lobs, B5E in mains gives me great, predictable control. I feel like I can volley back even a cannonball with control, depth and placement.
     
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    Mushy, mushy. B5E could never be described as crisp to begin with, let alone when strung with variants of the BS-Tec method.

    There's no way 30% pulls at 45lbs aren't going to produce anything other than a soft string bed.

    It's particularly grim feeling when using Scorpion - mushy yet overpowered. Not confidence inspiring at all.
     
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    Glad to hear you've found a good tension range. I think all of tennis revolves around racquet speed and technique. Fortunately @ 23 that's not something I lack-- a functional brain when on court, that's a different story :p

    Regarding breakage, it's been a while since I've played a dedicated full bed of poly as I've been busy with the pro beach tennis circuit. The best estimate I can give you is around 10-12 in my LM Radical MP depending on the play type. In a FXP Radical Tour more towards the ~8ish hours?

    I'm not quite sure if this is the JayCee lite or what but I followed the instructions and took every precaution just as was described in the GG publication MD1 and I actually had an extended conversation about it last night and it seems like I've done it "correctly." By no means am I complaining about my 8-12 hours of play, I'm just curious to try this out for myself. If it works, Great! If not, I wasted 10 bucks in string and can be satisfied that I've tried it.
     
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    Originally posted elsewhere by me but relevant here:

    And according to the GG Tennis blog and forum, for those "interested in the JET Method we do conduct free live videos seminars on most Tuesdays at 1:00EST via our Google+ Hangout. We demonstrate the method and answer participant questions. There seem to be some mis-perceptions in regard to the JET Method and we try to be as clear as possible via these sessions."
     
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    yup, already tracking it! Thanks though
     
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    I figured you might be. If I didn't have other obligations at that time, I would too.
     
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    Yes that may be so, Im just looking for the best set up for my Melbourne that when strung feels several pounds tighter than it is. So my 45lbs feels closer to low 50's. I was used to stringing tour bite in a bc20 @ 58lbs, it was brilliant for a very short time. This is not as crisp a set up I understand that but there is a balance between the bite i want and need and the quality of ball cupping and dwell time I like from a volkl type frame.

    The Jaycee method is just a test for me, I have no opinions on it other than what Im experiencing. It felt nice today, I dont know whether its the set up or the method or both. I had a great stringbed feel before when stringing normally and this is no different. I will continue experimenting and tbh Im more interested in the thinner poly cross string theory being relatively tighter than my poly mains, than anything else. I wasnt fussed with b5e in the vantage and the Iontec is too soft and powerful but together they give me the feel Im after plus the spin needed to control the power. It worked well today.

    I always find Torres' posts slightly amusing, sorry mate, but you are always so sure, full of absolutes. I dont tend to disagree with you often and I dont necessarily here but Ive never seen the word 'mushy' so often in one post :) and dont get me started about fibreglass in tennis rackets!!!!

    Im trying the Tourna7 next so I will see how that fares, Torres what tension did you string that at and what stick do you have again???
     
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    Meaghan,

    Are you still upping the reference tension by 7lbs (crank) to reproduce a cp 45lbs with this method? I asked John at GG if this what John Elliot was doing when string this method on a neos but he was unsure.
     
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    Yes, I don't know exactly how I lose itension on a crank but I am probably still overstretching the poly, funnily enough with the melbourne stringing up tight, I'm stringing at 52lbs to create a tension of 45lbs yet it feels like 52lbs!

    Did you play the tourna 7 in the melly, how did it hit? I would recommend the thinner poly cross theory tho, it worked great, I think timo might be a fantastic marriage with tourna 7.
     
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    Surely if you're testing out this method of stringing, you need to string up the same combination at your normal tension in another of the same frame. Otherwise anything you say about it is pretty meaningless, as you have no reference point.
     
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    Mushy, mushy, mushy! :)

    I could write pages and pages of my thoughts BS-Tec / Jet-Tec, their strings, their methods, and their OTT brainwashing spiel, but I find everything about them increasingly tedious. And don't even get me started on that '30 hour poly as good as in hour 1' nonsense.

    All I will say is that as with some politicians (Ed Milliband excepted), if you say anything long enough and loud enough, some people will start believing it irrespective of how ridiculous it is......

    BHB7 17 54lbs CP was in a Youtek Prestige MP and BLX 6.1 95 18x20. Also currently have the 16 in the 6.1 at 54lbs CP which I'm still evaluating. I even wasted a 4th set of BHB7 17 in the 6.1 using the BS-Tec stringing method. Had to abandon that test due to it being too mu........
     
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    And also one at the lower tension but non-JET. And one at the higher tension JET (or non-JET, depending on what you were suggesting). I think alidisperanza plans to do a comparison sort of like this with WC SS.
     
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    haha good stuff torres, but one mans m***y is another mans ' slightly soft' :)

    Jaz....will be next week when my new stick arrives
     
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    Of course 30 hours does not feel like an hour. But it is close with the ltec I am using. I just broke the strings this morning. At around 24 hours. It felt close to a fresh stick. The feel is mushy. But so it a vs/rpm hybrid.
    I can afford any string combination. And have tried a lot of strings. I cut out vs gut hybrids after one hit if i don't like the tension. So the marketing of ltec does not sway me. Only performance matters to me.
    Bhb might be too powerful low tension. I tried bhbr at 47 and it was not right. Maybe bhb is the same way.
     
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    BHBR is never going to work with slow pulls and low tension because its pretty elastic to begin with. The whole 'low tension' thing ie c40lbs or below, is far more suited to stiffer polys. I think I used a stiff 16g Prince poly at 35lbs and 40lbs when I did that 'low tension' experiment. The BS-Tec method softens the stringbed even more. I tried 30%, 40% and 50% on a Biardo (30% is the lowest it will go). I can understand the rationale behind slow pulls and not overpulling (you reduce stress on the string when stringing) but it doesn't make for a performance setup.

    My strings are strung at 52lbs CP, 53lbs CP and 54lbs CP (depending on the string type) because that's the best performance setup for me, for reasons of control, ball length and stringbed stiffness, having tested those strings through reels and reels. You change those stringbed characteristics and whilst longevity may improve it will be the expense of performance because a stringbed with a significantly lower SBS or tension will not play in the same way or produce the same results. It's increased longevity potential at the expense of a performance and control. If I had the choice between a soggy setup for 20 hours and a performance setup for 6-7 hours, I'd choose the latter setup every time.

    These BS-Tec guys think they've reinvented the wheel. They haven't.
     
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    Yes played the Tourna 7 in the Melbourne , nice string consistent string bed, loads of spin potential. I really like the string it is easily my favorite Tourna string. Let is know how a thin cross like timo does for the string. I would assume it will crispen up the string bed a tad. I don't think spin potential will be improved as it is pretty spinny as is but it may help with feel at net, touch shots etc where I have found the sharply shaped strings lack some feel. Hmmmm.. I might have to try some poly/poly hybrids now.
     
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    I concur. More on this in my edit of the main post. Utimately, this is one big experiment. In no way am I extolling L-TEC or JET. If anything I'm expecting to debunk it.
     
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    I wish more people had your attitude about it. You seem to be going about it the right way. :)
     
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    Jazar,

    Indeed, and I will. I'm currently running low on strings or I would have strung up a full poly bed. I happened to have a half set of PL II lying around and half a TB set and have played both in full combinations and hybrids at my normal tension so I'm fairly familiar with the strings.

    I'm in the process of ordering new reels and once I have the supply I'll gladly re-do the tests side by side with full beds of the same poly to be as objective as possible.
     
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    No problem. I have the extra frames now, just not the string. Once I re-order reels I'll try out whatever combinations you guys request. I'd even like to start video taping some of my hitting sessions if possible.
     
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    I wish I had this luxury-- care to send me some sets?!:)
     
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    Dang, you're great! Like L-TEC, it almost sounds too good to be true! ;-)
     
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    Never claimed to buy into the hoopla, nor am I promoting the string or the method. Heck, I'm certainly not getting anything from L-TEC. I'm just testing it out as a curiosity; an experiment.

    Why be so negative?

    Silly Torres
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    I don't think he meant to be ranting against your trials of it, just the method in general, buy maybe I'm wrong.
     
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    Ok whoah, this thread blew up!

    Play time: 1.5 hours of casual doubles
    0.5 hours of heavy hitting Fh + Bh

    I had my first hit with the experimental bed tonight. Warmed up for about half an hour with a different string experiment then switched frames for some casual doubles. What I found:

    Extreme ball pocketing-- coming from 56lbs I actually uttered a rare "holy sh*t" when hitting my first forehand. The dwell time is significantly increased.

    Softer feel-- it definitely doesn't feel like the poly I'm used to but then again it's also strung @7lbs reference tension lower than what I usually string. I'm traditionally used to a crisp response from my string bed when playing with synthetics. While this certainly didn't feel like gut, it was surprising.

    Power and spin-- here's where my opinion deviates. This setup is certainly a double edged sword. Playing casual doubles yielded a completely different experience than the last half hour of hitting where I had the opportunity to hit with a higher caliber player and lay into the ball.

    Part 1- I noticed that when hitting the slower flat balls of my opponents, I really had to pay attention to my technique and had to focus more on spin production than anything else. Small adjustments sometimes broke the bank and I found myself returning some balls to the back curtain whereas normally they would only be at max a foot or two out. Having said that, if I slowed down my swing I was able to "casually" hit the ball with confidence and depth. It almost felt like hitting a teaching ball; pace was lacking but with significantly more spin. Definitely took some adjustments.

    Volleying was great-- very snappy

    Serving was HORRENDOUS-- for the life of me, I could not adjust to this setup in the time allotted. No flat serve, no slice serve, all I was consistently able to do was hit a slow topspin serve and an occasional kick serve. Definitely need to spend some time and effort to get this one down. For a minute I even thought it was me-- picked up my normally strung stick for a game and served 6 balls, a double fault an inch off the line, 3 first serve winners, and an ace.

    Part 2- Laying into the ball had an entirely different feel. At first I was making silly errors on my back hand because I was going for too much-- Slowed down my swing speed just a touch to adjust and I found a groove. I was definitely satisfied with the way I was hitting. Something about hitting a heavier paced ball seemed to jive with this setup and I was able to vary my shots a bit flat to spin. Hitting late with this setup is a disaster. The ball flies and simply doesn't stop.

    Did I miss the crisp response of the stringbed? Yes, absolutely. Is it worth the sacrifice for being able to slow down a little bit while still hitting a quality ball? So far so good-- it could just be that I was finally happy to get away from the doubles and hit the ball with my buddy. We'll see how it goes

    Overall-- very interesting. Did it make me play like Federer? Hell no, but it was certainly different and not in a negative way. Ultimately, the hitting response felt good but unless I can get some serving time and adjust to the string bed, this is a cut job. I simply can't sacrifice my serve for a better forehand.

    EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention. Strings are already notched-- Not looking great for even a 20hr mark...
     
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    Thanks for the update!

    Notched already?! Man, they have some haulin' to do to make it 20 hrs.
     
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    It's possible but not likely. I think the last half hour really did a job on the strings-- We were hitting the fuzz off the ball for 20-30 ball rallies for half an hour. It was awesome. It all depends though, if I play casual doubles like the first part of today's hitting, the strings will last until I have children (hopefully long off). If there's some serious hitting at hand-- I'm going to need some more poly and fast.
     
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    Well, I'm assuming the Futures player who supposedly got 30 hrs wouldn't be doing much casual hitting, so...
     
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    Heheh. It's true, to each his own though.
     
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    I'm thinking some of Torres's scathing remarks may prove true, esp. about the market...
     
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    I never denied them, I simply don't appreciate the negativity when the thread is about an experiment-- nothing more. I'm not pro or against it. As I mentioned prior, if it works for me, it works. If not, I spent 10.00 on strings and relegate the frame to a practice stick until it breaks.
     
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    Of course, of course. I wasn't trying to imply you did. I'll try to keep the negative projections out, in that case. :)
     
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    nice, alidisperanza!

    the lower tension does take some time to get used to. i started off low and have slowly worked by way back up into the 48-52# range depending on the string. i have 2 Vantage BC20s that i used to compare JayCee method vs conventional method. i found that the JayCee method stick gave me better ball pocketing and consistency than the conventional method. the string bed felt firmer as well even though the stick strung up JC method was at slightly lower tension.

    w/ the lower tensions, i did find that i had to move my contact point forward a bit otherwise as you mentioned, any late contact would result in a ball sailing long. i think lower tensions work well for singles where there's no one covering the net when the ball sits up higher w/ more spin. for doubles, it might not be as effective because there's someone at the net to poach put away the higher balls.

    interesting about the serve. but it makes sense that you would need time to adjust. i imagine you were shooting alot of flat and slice serves long.

    i'm also still experimenting, but so far i really like the results i'm getting from the JayCee/JET method. now that i think i've got the tuning method down, i strung up my PS85 at 47# w/ Discho Iontec Hexa 1.20 and the pocketing & feel is just incredible w/ an increased sweet spot.
     
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    I dont like synthetics and Ive had problems with gut, Ive never liked hybrids in general but the poly poly hybrid is interesting me.

    Reading thro the tourna 7 thread its sounds about right, I like that its in the tour bite ballpark, I like that at lower tensions this string with a thin cross will stiffen up the stringbed and give me a crisper hit. And I agree, Timo is a good 'feel' poly and will hopefully help impress at the net. TB always popped up at the net and Ive been looking for something with the same attributes but with better feel.

    Yesterdays matches in the main were high level doubles play, so it was a good test. I had no problem off the ground or at the net, the softer feel plus the Melbourne's sweetness, it felt like a good match. I did have one or two wild shots but thats ok, % was high, I suppose the most difficult aspect and this is string based and not JET based was second serve, Ive always liked the grip of TB to pull in my heavy seconds, it worked well in the main but a few more doubles than usual....

    This is all relative to the Melbourne, as you know, so it gives me hope, I really liked the Iontec as a cross it really helped with the cupping feel of the stick, nice soft buttery feel. This means I can go back to my usual liking for stiffer strings in the mains, the b5e is probably too soft, but still it gives me something to make a comparison.

    My new Melbourne arrives mid week so will get my first playtest of tourna7 (16g) and Timo (1.10) then and see how that goes, Ive got high hopes!
     
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    Ball pocketing definitely, I'm still reserving judgement on consistency. As for firmer, I can't agree there. I like my string beds fairly crisp and this was definitely not that. Perhaps this is just subjective though.

    I definitely agree-- I try to take the ball as early as possible but swinging late here was trouble. I also agree that with my swing style this setup is much more adapted to singles. I found that on a few shots where I was pulled off court, my opponents were able to put away my return more easily because of the height of the ball. With some adjustment I'm sure I'll figure out how to dip balls low over the net.

    On the serve, long implies inches usually... we were talking feet (and multiple :shock:)

    Good to hear you've found a suitable combo. I definitely still need to put some hours on this frame before making a final call.
     
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    i find the JC/JET method with tuning to play firmer at the same reference tension vs stringing straight tension for the entire job. i'm now at the point where i am going to start dropping tension by 1-2 lbs to see how low i can without sacrificing control since you lowered tension vs your regular string setup by 5-7 lbs, it's not surprising the string bed wasn't as crisp. a more applicable comparison would be to string up the same sticks at the same reference tension. use the JC/JET method for 1 and conventional method for the other.

    my shoulder is messed up so i don't hit alot of serves, but when it feels ok, i will try my luck and hit some. and come to think of it, yeah, i was hitting a lot of serves long by a mile, too. i've tinkered w/ my toss placement that i'm now able to get it closer.

    it could be that i've been experimenting w/ this method for a bit now that i've adapted my strokes to it. i do like the better ball pocketing and longer playability.

    good stuff indeed! glad you're keeping an open mind as there's no "right" answer. the only right answer is what works best for you! :cool:
     
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    The one thing I was really surprised at was ball trajectory, I really DIDNT find that the ball flight was higher over the net more so than usual. OK I do have an 18x20 and Im used to stringing dense MP's under 50lbs. I think my string combo being less grippy than my usual tour bite made for relatively flatter hitting, which was nice, I was finding my opponents being rushed. Depth was great yesterday, it seems the cold weather here mixed with the lower tension worked very well together.

    More than anything tho (as I will have different set ups in my sticks for different situations) I have a real contender for my cross string in the Iontec, at least it has layed down a benchmark. The b5e mains were good but I would like something a little crisper. Im now thinking how good TB would be with this string helping with feel and volleys. It will have to wait tho as Im really looking forward to pairing tourna7 with Timo.
     
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    For the record, I'm not critcising his own experiments with it. He can slow pull it at 30min durations with cotton wool mitts whilst rubbing tomato sauce across the strings for all I care; everyone's free to choose what they do for themselves.

    I just find it tiresome the amount of ridiculous OTT claims made by G&G in respect of this method, and the decidedly suspect and distateful business / marketing approach which they/BS-Tec try to operate regarding this supposed secret stringing method and the implication that not even Roger Federer's personal stringer can string it as well as they can.
     
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    I know for a FACT that with LTec and JET, RF would be #1 in the world. And he wouldn't need a personal stringer. He and Mirka can just carry around a Klippermate to all the tournaments and just use 1 racket per Grand Slam. :twisted:
     
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    I know you are being sarky but this is just as bad as Torres' flippant comment, it just derails threads and ends up in childish banter instead of informative discussion....
     
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    Oh, come on Meaghan, lighten up!

    Otherwise, I'm going to come over, strap you to a chair and force you to watch some The Fast Show re-runs.....:)
     
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    Classic!

    Can you imagine Rafa mid-match sending his racquet to the stringer and demanding that it be strung JET method on a Klippermate? Or maybe he has one in his bag and in between points he runs over to clamp.
     
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    as the saying goes, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." you would be wise to take your own advice.
     
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    Are you federers stringer?
     
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