The Jolly Rig.

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  1. J011yroger

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    In a nod to the late great (mediocre) NoBadMojo, I am dubbing my own personal string setup as "The Jolly Rig".

    It plays incredibly well for the first 2/3rds of its life and is serviceable for the last third as a practice string.

    It has a terrific static bite, plenty of pop, and lasts very well.

    As compared to some strings which bite well at low swingspeeds, and then taper off at higher swingspeeds. Or others (Notably ALU) which bite better and better the faster you swing. "The Jolly Rig" plays with a very even response increasing bite in a linear fashion as you swing faster.

    Volleys better than full poly.

    Serves and groundies are great.

    For straight up knocking the cover off the ball nothing beats full ALU rough. But for actually playing the game, I think "The Jolly Rig" is better.

    Plus it is cheaper, and lasts about 3 times as long.

    Ashaway Kevlar 16 mains, Luxilon ALU Rough crosses.

    I would string it at your full poly or poly blend tension.

    Once again, feels great, nice and soft.

    I give it 3 thumbs up.

    J
     
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    A secondary review from my good friend Dennis.

    Old school S&V player, hits with ohbh heavy spin off both sides, and much milder grips than myself.

    J
     
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  3. Moz

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    This makes me feel like Cole Trickle....!
     
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  4. samster

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    Is this string setup elbow friendly?
     
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  5. PROTENNIS63

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    I would not classify this as elbow friendly.
     
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  6. dhahntennis

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    i dont get the point of this thread?
     
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  7. goober

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    String that hybrid up at 70 Lbs and it will be like butter.
     
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  8. meowmix

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    1. he's always polite. I'm never seen/read him being rude.
    2. he knows what he's talking about.
    3. he could whoops the @sses of most of us... 20 bucks says he can double bagel most of us in 40 minutes or less
    4. he's extremely helpful. He's helped MANY, of us out with strings.
    5. he's just a great guy.

    And as for being more respected than others? There are people that are just as respected as he is. You're not one of them.
     
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  9. meowmix

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    Wait, seriously? You're back? I assume you read Jolly's review of the legend setup you're famous for?
     
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  10. dhahntennis

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    im 100 percent positive he couldnt double bagle me and im 99% positive that i could beat him
     
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  11. AT92292

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    correct me if im wrong but i recall him saying that hes only a 3.5 player. Breaking strings often doesnt necessarily mean anything if this is the case.
     
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  12. 2handsbothsides

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    Kevlar / ALU ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I'm 100% sure i could double bagel you. Empty threats don't mean a thing kid
     
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  14. meowmix

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    Jolly actually doesn't have a rating... he just plays open events. So dhahntennis, unless you're a pro or you're winning major junior tournaments, you really don't stand a chance.
     
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  15. J011yroger

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    Wow, very strange. I decide I am breaking ALU too fast, and spend a month and a half (Of basically complete frustration and failure) looking for a replacement that plays well and is cheaper and lasts longer.

    I finally find something that plays really well, costs less than full ALU, and lasts about 3X as long, and decide to share the setup with the board members so that others can try it and benefit from what took me almost 2 months of basically being pissed off that everything I tried sucked and didn't last much longer than the string I wanted to play with.

    I post my feelings on it, and a comprehensive review by my friend.

    And people are writing that it is a stupid thread?

    Wow. . .

    J
     
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  16. J011yroger

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    It plays softer, and has more feel than full ALU.

    I absolutely love it, but I have had next to zero elbow problems in my life.

    It plays much much softer than you would imagine.

    J
     
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  17. Hmm...not trying to be a punk but, didn't someone else tell you to do kevlar mains with the poly cross? I think it's kinda funny you would call it "The Jolly Rig" when it wasn't your idea man. Anyway, no harm meant, just curious...
     
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  18. ubermeyer

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    what does "bite" mean when referring to strings?
     
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  19. J011yroger

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    Trav had said he used Kev/poly, but I was unaware of anyone using Ashaway 16 and ALU Rough.

    So I claimed it for myself.

    If someone else had touted that setup before myself, I didn't intend to steal credit from them.

    I tried a bunch of kevlar/poly setups, and this was the very best playing one.

    So I consider that the dif.

    The only JR approved kevlar/poly hybrid is this one. :)

    All others are free to experiment on their own, and name their own string setup.

    J
     
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    A string's bite is exactly what it sounds like. The ability of the string to bite into the ball and impart spin.

    If you play a string with a lot of bite, and hit with heavy spin it will almost feel as if the strings are digging into the ball, or the ball is sticking to the strings depending on the exact setup.

    If you play a setup with very little bite, it will feel like the ball slides across the strings, and your swing is accomplishing less.

    The amount of bite can either help or hinder you depending on your own personal style of play and stroke mechanics.

    I personally prefer setups with a LOT of bite, and am willing to sacrifice in other areas to achieve it. (However with the Jolly Rig, I feel that I am not giving much up in other areas.)

    J
     
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  21. ps2dcgba

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    May I ask at what tension are you stringing your rackets? Mains and cross's if you can post em, thanks in advance!
     
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  22. TheShaun

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  23. J011yroger

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    70/70

    Dennis strung his at 60/60

    I was playing the ALUR at 70 and didn't want to change two things at once.

    Not adverse to changing tension at the future, but this is working really well for me right now, so why mess with it right?

    If you were asking because you are going to try the setup yourself, I would advise stringing at whatever tension you string a full poly job.

    Or if you tell me what you are using now, I can take a stab at what a good tension for you would be, but of course it is just a shot in the dark over the internet.

    J
     
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  24. J011yroger

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    This is the one I broke today, first time I ever broke a main and a cross in the same shot.

    Sorry for the big pics if you have slow internet.

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    J
     
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  25. DoubleWindsor

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    cool pics up close the kevlar looks like rope
     
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  26. dhahntennis

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    you are obioviously EXTREMELY cocky, and you couldnt double bagel me wats ur rating?
     
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  27. dhahntennis

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    yes im sure he couldnt double bagel me, and ive seen his videos and his strikes dont look promising and ive read that hes a 3.5 which leads me to beleive i could beat him
     
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  28. vndesu

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    dude calm down
     
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  29. zerox277

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    Why does kevlar look like rope?
     
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  30. ps2dcgba

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    Wow! Thats awfully high! I am using heheheh an Asian Wilson K6.1 tour , but I usually string low 45-48lbs, I want to avoid any arm issue's as I hope to be playing well in my 60's, I am close to 40 now.I may experiment and try 58-60lbs when current string job breaks,thanks for your quick reply and I appreciate your posts about your string of choice, coz, I learn something new everyday, God Bless!
     
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    It's used to hang cows so that gut can be made.
     
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  32. zerox277

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    That wasn't even funny at all.
     
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  33. J011yroger

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    Try it at 45 then, no reason to string higher than you already do.

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  34. J011yroger

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    Because that is basically what it is, if you feel the string off the reel, it is just like fine rope or thick thread. They take the kevlar fibers and braid them into a string. It is the most limp string out there. I have no idea why people persist with the notion that it is stiff and jarring.

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  35. aimr75

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    i strung a guys racquet recently and he provided an ashaway hybrid package. It was kevlar and one of their synthetics.. never saw kevlar before that and wondered, what the hell is this rope like string?!

    It is very limp and soft feeling to the touch..
     
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  36. Rhinosaur

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    I've gone with kevlar mains recently in my POG OS. I just wanted something in it durable. It's actually Prince Problend with Duraflex (synthetic crosses) strung at 60.

    I remember demoing a POG OS with...ugh...demo strings. I was getting zero power. Since they were being discontinued I decided to buy a POG just to have in my bag. It hits so great with this string setup I'm thinking about using it as my main stick.

    I'm getting tons of power, along with the control of the POG.

    Do not fear kevlar...embrace it.
     
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  37. dennis10is

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    I have no idea what your playing level or match toughness is but Jolly on a great, great day is a weak 3.5, most of the time he's under performing so he is competitive against 2.5 - 3.0 That's where he belongs if he were to play USTA League but he doesn't so he plays Open.

    I'm sure that Jolly would be a be happy playing in a Men's 3.0 team. He would make a strong third doubles player.

    So, this makes Jolly a strong tennis players. After all, there aren't that many 3.0 to speak of. His coaches, all three of them believes that with another 200K worth of lessons, he'll be a benchmark 3.5 and life is "Golden". They say that an additional 300K would probably bring him to the unheard of 4.0 level but his financial advisor is not comfortable with him spending all his monthly his allowance on tennis. They feel that he needs to invest more in his Polo game. I tend to agree with his advisers, his horses have been neglected last time I visited his stable.
     
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  38. dhahntennis

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    I am a nationally ranked junior
     
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  39. Sup2Dresq

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    I'm not sure I can let this go? Why is it he knows what he is talking about? Experience?

    What kind of experience? Is he winning (that's a no), did he play high level juniors (think that is a no), did he play college (think that's a no), what is his rated NTRP (that's a no), does he have a teaching pro rating (?), is he USRSA certified?

    My mailman is nice as well and plays tennis. Am I going to take his advice?

    Double bagel most of us? Dude! That's what gets me. I like Jolly, but you guys are giving too much credit to posters based on a loose videos (which didn't look impressive on technique) and posters who have a load of equipment. I can have a ferrari, but an indy racer could probably beat me with a Dodge Neo on a track.

    I can be interested or appreciate his opinion. It's very nice of him to take the time to share his views, but I'm not going to call him a pro or a better player. I've seen his record and know he is trying over the last some 30 plus tournaments to win a match, but he is nowhere near a high enough player to make your #2 or #3 claim.

    So I'll take your $20 bucks. Can we play Jolly?

    Better yet Meomix, will you spot me $20 bucks for every game I beat Jolly? I'll pay you $20 bucks for every game Jolly beats me by?

    Conclusion: I like Jolly, but don't over-hype him.

    Thanks and God Bless

    p.s. Then again I really respect this guys opinion on equipment and look at his dress apparel!

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  40. Sup2Dresq

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    Jolly,

    I got one pack of Ashway Crossfire. I'm going try out this set up but will use Alu F in the crosses instead. Mainly because I have a half a set lying around.

    Sup
     
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  41. Sup2Dresq

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    You forgot to sign your post: Thanks and God Bless.

    I agree with the USTA team prediction. He would rock the 3.0 doubles scene.

    I like Jolly and respect his opinion, but enough is enough with the over-hype.

    p.s. don't forget that the wilson's stock needs him to continue to buy racquets. Especially the coming next two quarters, when the new Fed racquet comes out. 14 x $200 bucks per racquet = $2,800 before the supposed Wilson sponsorship.
     
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  42. Sup2Dresq

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    I feel for you dhahntennis. Jolly is a likable guy but the over-hype machine that was created has gotten out of hand. Jolly is a 3.5 and from the players who have hit with him, that I've spoken to, have agreed. Some are the nicest people on the board.

    Disclaimer: Jolly never said he was awesome. Then again, he never denounced enough to you guys that he wasn't.

    Figure its like beer goggles for tennis. Enough reviews and talk about sponsorship and huge forehands, that most people don't want to see the truth. They just want to indulge.
     
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  43. drakulie

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    agreed on all points.

    Let us know if you will be televising this grudge match on HBO. I'll pay the $34.95 to watch it, and make sure I start a thread in the Pro Players section with point by point updates. :)
     
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  44. Sup2Dresq

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    Could either be like an early Mike Tyson boxing event or a 3 set WTA match.

    disclaimer: I like Jolly but I won't over-hype him. Peter Bodo knows what he is talking about in regards to tennis, but I don't think he would claim to hit a 100+ mph forehand.
     
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  45. hollywood9826

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    But I believe he still hass the fastest serve with a wooden racquet in TT history.

    But these boards are wierd, where in the more you post the more you know. If all I gotta do is post 10,000 more times to be Sampras then thats what I will do.

    Nothin against Jolly or anybody, but I could post videos of my serves that go in and claim I was 4.0-4.5 and people would probably believe me. Evenb though I'm morbidly obese. Thus is the narure of the internets.
     
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  46. Power Player

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    I was thinking about Pro Blend on my Donnay OS..so you would have both strings at 60#? I usually string at 60 for this stick.
     
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  47. MethodTennis

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    I've used this before bot ways round kev on cross and alu mains and vic versa. Although I had em at aboput 58 not for me IMO hurricanes durolast vs and hurricanes
     
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  48. zerox277

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    so kevlar is basically a thin rope? O.O seems pretty cool. i want to try xD.
     
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    Jeux, set et match.............
     
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  50. dennis10is

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    Are you serious about playing a best out of three matches against Jolly?

    If you are, we can have the grudge match at the same time we have a meet up. You can come up to NYC next year during 2010 Open or maybe the LI crew can come down to Florida for the Sony Ericsson next Spring?

    I guess I can watch because I'm not good enough to hit with you guys but I can work the video camera.
     
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