The jury of L'Equipe voted Nadal - the best clay court player of the Open Era

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  1. CMM

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    http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2010/20100523_205342_le-jury-de-l-equipe-vote-nadal.html
     
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  2. aldeayeah

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    LOL@Uncle Toni rating Nadal 2nd.
     
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  3. vortex1

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    Didn't Borg win 6 french opens? I think if Nadal wins FO this year, he'll be clay GOAT for sure.
     
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    Santoro votes like he plays. Surprising, and throwing in a lot of junk. Fed at #4? Friggin' Agassi?

    Uncle Toni forgot to include his beloved Rod Laver, that's surprising.

    Obvious top 2 is obvious, and suitably close, although I'd still tip it on Borg's side, but that could change in the next couple of years.
     
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    Who is Pierre Barthes? He sounds like a complete clown; Laver 2nd? Agassi even being on the list (sorry Fabrice)?
     
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  6. jerriy

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    Excellent.

    Just one more indication that, despite his career slam, Agassi ain't an overall "top ten GOAT" contender as some (almost exclusively internet warriors and/or celebrity worshippers) dare to suggest.
     
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    the topten is realistic.
     
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  8. Hood_Man

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    It makes sense that Nadal and Borg are in first and second place, separated by only 4 points, and I'm perfectly happy to see Federer at 7th place.

    He may not have won a lot of clay tournaments in comparison to some guys on the list but he's reached plenty of finals, and of those he lost (11) he avoided straight set losses in 6 of them.

    Plus the eventual French Open victory helps :)
     
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  9. namelessone

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    Tony is a realist,always has been even if he is seen as head of the mallorcan mafia by some paranoid posters around here.

    If you wanna talk about LOL'ing,let's talk about Forget. The guy was badmouthing Nadal back in 05(with the "we don't need construction workers on our courts" comment) but now he votes him as the nr.1 CC in history. What a freaking joker.

    In my mind Rafa needs 1-2 FO's and he is right up there with Borg. His winning percentage alone on this surface is crazy and if he would have taken better care of himself in the past it could have been even better:shock:

    The funny thing about this whole clay thing is that this wasn't even Nadal's fav surface as a teenager.
     
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  10. kishnabe

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    Why do they make these assumptions that Nadal is the greatest clay courter of the open era...what if a new guy came up and racked every clay event at least 10 times. Then the new guy is the greatest clay courter. I hope the title isn't forever...as in it could be taken away by another player.

    Congratz on him for getting it...but people can't say for sure Federer is the G.O.A.T forever and Nadal is the best clay courter of the open era. In the future hope that changes!
     
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    Wilander

    Interesting that Wilander rates Lendl above himself. I'm glad he doesn't have false humility though and gives himself a high ranking of 4. He deserves it.

    I would rank Lendl only above Wilander on Clay by the narrowest of margins and I am a Lendl fan.
     
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    They mean the greatest so far, surely? :-|
     
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    Quoted for truth.
     
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  14. sureshs

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    It is 1. Nadal 2. Federer

    These guys would blow away the oldies
     
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    Yeah,Federer sure blew away Kuerten in 2004 FO.
     
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  16. sureshs

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    He was just coming into his own then
     
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  17. zagor

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    He won 3 slams that year,that's already domination,hardly coming into his own.
     
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    Borg didn't even have proper technique on his BH. He has actually improved after retirement.
     
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    Vilas is better than Kuerten !
     
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    Seems like its a given Nadal will be the best on clay during the Open Era.
     
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    Nice article, thanks for posting. I'm sure give Rafa a few more years on clay and he'll be way out above Borg.
     
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    Mats Wilander and Toni Nadal may think that he is No. 3, his nephew is No. 1 but won't declare it.

    By the time Nadal finishes he should be way above Borg.
     
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  23. sh@de

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    Good for Nadal. I think he deserves it. Obviously it's close between him and Borg, but seriously, the clay masters sweep and 4 RG in a row... and the way he just dominates his opponents on clay, I'm really not surprised Nadal wins this vote.

    Vamos!
     
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  24. World Beater

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    toni is just being respectful to old legends.

    in his his head, he might be thinking sth else though.
     
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    funny to see federer so high.

    the "informed" former player posters that consistently trash his clay game.
     
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  26. big bang

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    of course Nadal is the best claycourter ever! some of the ppl on this board rank Borg above him because of FO titles needs to take a look at both players games and compare them. Nadals game is superior and in time he will win more FO than Borg did!! Nadal has been the best claycourter ever for years, not in terms of achievements but level of play!
     
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    i wonder hypothetically (not that it will happen of course)...

    if federer actually meets nadal in a few more RG finals and actually wins one or two..

    will that make nadal's status on clay higher or lower?

    its competition vs. domination argument.
     
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    congradulations to Rafa, he deserves it. In a few years he may get to 6 to surpass Borg. Those two are clearly the two best ones though.
     
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  29. zagor

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    How about no? Vilas was Borg's plaything on clay even more than Fed is Nadal's and I sincerely doubt Guga would be dominated by anyone on clay.

    Believe me both Borg and Nadal would have a lot more to fear from an on fire Guga than Vilas who I find to be overrated on clay personally.

    Not to mention that Guga won 3 FOs compared to Vilas's one(and yes I know he also won USO on green clay over Connors).
     
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    Nadal might achieve more than Borg, his level of play is obviously higher (even the guy's ranked 50 today are stronger quicker en better built than Borg) but until he wins 6 FO's, I don't see why he's better than Bjorn Borg. 6 is very possible, but IF he loses this year it suddenly looks far far away. It's all about the Slams baby.
     
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  31. P_Agony

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    Agree, Nadal is the best on clay.

    They should make one for the best hard courter as well. And grass.
     
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    LOL Toni knows Borg was best, yet Nadal wins?
    Memory loss?
    Nadal will probably be clay GOAT, but he's not yet
     
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    At the moment, Borg > Nadal on clay, but if Nadal wins this years French with the same domination as 2008, he overtakes Borg. I don't think that Nadal will ever overtake Borg in the GOAT discussion though, it's going to take something unbelievable for someone to break into the Federer, Laver, Sampras, Borg group.
     
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  36. nadal era

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    im a rafa fan but if he cant win this year, he is not even in top 5 in clay goat in my book
     
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    are u kidding me? He has already secured his place in the top 5 with 4 fo titles.
     
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    True, but his best on clay came after 2004. Btw, he didn't get blown away by Kuerten either, lost 6-4 6-4 6-4, fairly tight sets.

    But Kuerten is rated as a better claycourt player than Federer.
     
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    I wouldn't call Kuerten a better claycourter. If it wouldn't have been for Rafa Federer would have tied in terms of RG with him already.
     
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    Err...what?
     
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    Doesn't even deserve an answer really.
     
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    Rafaaaaaa!
     
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    mission accomplished. :)
     
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    nadal didnt dominate 2010 FO like he dominated 2008 FO.
    even though he won both tournaments without losing a set,

    in 2008 FO nadal lost only 41 games.
    in 2010 FO he lost 71 games.

    in 2008 FO he won 3 bagel sets.
    in 2010 FO he won no bagel sets.

    and in the 2008 FO final, he murdered federer like a red headed step child!
     
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    I would say:

    1. nadal
    2. borg
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    3. wilander
    4. lendl
    5. kuerten
    6. muster
    7. vilas
    8. brugeura
    9. courier
    10. agassi
     
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  46. TheTruth

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    That was funny, but he'd look like a fool voting for his nephew.

    However, if things got tight...
     
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  47. Dilettante

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    It's Nadal/Borg or Borg/Nadal and then a big gap and then the rest. I think everyone pretty much agree in that.
     
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    I agree with list but I'd put Lendl above Willander because he was a better claycourter in my opinion. Also Rosewall should be on the list.
     
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    1} Rosewall
    2} Borg
     
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  50. tenis1

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    No. Until Nadal wins 6 FOs, Borg is still the CGOAT.
     
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