The King of clay was finally dethroned!

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Buckethead, May 8, 2011.

  1. aceX

    aceX Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    2,906
    Location:
    In position
    Yeah and I don't see anyone taking out dole except hafalito.

    Dole is just a machine now. He should have been so tired for the final but he wasn't. He's gonna bagel guys in the early rounds as well. I see him reaching the final and grabbing the #1
     
  2. robin7

    robin7 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,155
    Dethroned?

    Let's wait till Djoker beats Nadal @ Roland Garros in best of 5 sets.
     
  3. Bhagi Katbamna

    Bhagi Katbamna Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    3,076
    The way he was playing, it won't take 5 sets, it will take only 3.
     
  4. jc4.0

    jc4.0 Professional

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    803
    I think it's premature to crown ND "king of clay". I think he's on a fabulous hot streak but as we know, these streaks are prone to injury and burnout, and ND has been known to have these problems over time. I hope he continues his great run, and wins another major - he richly deserves it, the way he's playing lately. but I think Rafa is saving himself for the French, and will win that championship once again.

    Federer isn't in the mix anymore, sad to say. No chance for him in Paris. He'll be lucky to get thru the quarters.
     
  5. Speranza

    Speranza Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 31, 2009
    Messages:
    3,008
    Location:
    Baker Street, London Town
    Watson: Possibly :)
     
  6. MichaelNadal

    MichaelNadal Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2007
    Messages:
    29,641
    Location:
    In the middle of tomorrow and yesterday..
    Im thinking this too unless Rafa plays better. Which I think he will this time.
     
  7. okdude1992

    okdude1992 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2005
    Messages:
    3,264
    Djokovic hasn't dethroned Nadal on clay until he beats him where it counts most. Nadal will be back. He won't relinquish his RG title that easily.
     
  8. GOAT BAAH!!!

    GOAT BAAH!!! Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    1,279
    Location:
    New York
    I hope the Nadal camp take this week off to check the tape and address his issues with court positioning, the lack of forehand dtl and his noticeable weakness on the bh side. Noel may be the king of 2011 so far but Ralph is still the king of clay.
     
  9. Hood_Man

    Hood_Man Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2009
    Messages:
    8,324
    Location:
    Wales
    You've cursed him!
     
  10. Telepatic

    Telepatic Legend

    Joined:
    May 5, 2008
    Messages:
    7,167
    Location:
    Serbia, Belgrade
    Rafito is still king of clay, let's see what happens.
     
  11. Nadalgaenger

    Nadalgaenger Professional

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    1,117
    Location:
    Seattle
    Apropos indeed. I think the pressure will keep increasing for Djoker. Everybody will be trying to play a notch higher just to be the one to end his streak. I see him losing in the 3rd round of RG to a nameless Spaniard.
     
  12. Nadalgaenger

    Nadalgaenger Professional

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    1,117
    Location:
    Seattle
    Exactly, and remember that Nole is just 2-10 lifetime against Nadal on clay. And has he ever even taken a set off of Nadal in their 2 matches at RG? 0-6 I believe.

    I don't think those two will make the final. I see one of them losing beforehand, probably Djoker.

    Murray showed that you could dropshot him and lob him ad finitum, and perhaps a clever Spaniard other than Nadal could employ this strategy. Exchanging groundstrokes from the back of the court isn't the answer for sure. The Dude is a machine right now.
     
  13. Raoul_Duke

    Raoul_Duke Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2008
    Messages:
    979
    Location:
    Gonzoland

    WARNING:

    Troll Alert!
     
  14. Big_Dangerous

    Big_Dangerous Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2010
    Messages:
    6,019
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    It's possible that he could lose early to a no name player because during his run he has played pretty poorly in some early round matches, but he's always been able to grind it out and play well enough to beat his opponents in those ugly type of matches. Plus he's also been fairly consistent in Grand Slams, never really being knocked out early over the years. I see no way this happens. I mean he might struggle against a player in the first few rounds and perhaps lose a set, but I really don't see anyway he doesn't make the SF or Final.


    You can lob Nole, in fact I don't recall ever seeing Nole run down a lob successfully, in most cases he doesn't even go after them. However he's pretty freaking quick, so I don't think dropping him is the best strategy.
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2011
  15. YodaKnowsBest

    YodaKnowsBest Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2010
    Messages:
    1,668
    Location:
    Strong Era aka Novak-Novak era
    There is only one more crown left for the King to steal. I can't wait for grass!
     
  16. Buckethead

    Buckethead Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2009
    Messages:
    4,039
    To prove again that what Novak Djokovic has done to Nadal is more serious than just losing matches, look at what Isner did to him.

    I told you all after those beat downs in Madrid and Rome.

    His fear factor is long gone, anybody who steps on the court against him, now know they have chances even on dirt, therefore Nadal will have to work harder on his matches just to get to the finals and by the time He gets there He will be physically and mentally more tired and then it will be easier to Djoker and a few others to beat him.

    Murray opened the door and many are getting in to the party.

    Watch out Nadal, the field are catching you up.
     
  17. Smasher08

    Smasher08 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2010
    Messages:
    4,110
    Location:
    The 6
    While that's an entertaining post, I don't agree with its central assertion: that Djokovic playing meteoric = Rafa losing his abilities.

    Djoker is playing out of his head right now, and it's got nothing to do with some sort of worsening play of Fed or Nadal. Sooner or later Djoker's gotta lose a match, and when he does the rest of the top 3 will be right there to step up.
     
  18. Buckethead

    Buckethead Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2009
    Messages:
    4,039
    I didn't say Rafa lost his capability, I said He lost that spell that evrything would go his way, and he did lose the aura on invincible, and now many people believe they can beat Rafa not only on clay but everywhere.

    Isner proved it today, He took Nadal to his limit.

    I do believe Djokovic surpassed Nadal, but Nadal in my opinion is still the CLAY GOAT for all achievements , but now they figured out how to beat him and that beat downs He took from Djoker had an impact on Nadal's mind, for sure He knows now with many good players in form, he can be taken out by other players.

    I want to see what adjustments he'll make.
     
  19. Buckethead

    Buckethead Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2009
    Messages:
    4,039
    I told you guys before, Novak isn't the 18 year old anymore, He is a better player and has everything needed to beat Rafa, and He has consistently beaten Nadal this year, anywhere, everywhere, no more excuses, Djokovic owns Rafa.
     
  20. OTMPut

    OTMPut Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,326
    can you remember this? this will come handy when we discuss federer.
     
  21. Buckethead

    Buckethead Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2009
    Messages:
    4,039
    Cassius clay, was just an idiot who didn't even play tennis.
     
  22. tistrapukcipeht

    tistrapukcipeht Professional

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    1,324
    If Djokovic beats Nadal another time in this clay season, this can be his year to win Roland Garros, He will have the upper hand mentally against Nadal.
     
  23. bluetrain4

    bluetrain4 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2007
    Messages:
    8,846
    I think a true dethroning could only happen at Roland Garros. But, it's a great win.
     
  24. dafinch

    dafinch Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,829
    The conditions...at Madrid...don't suit BP. What were all those other years, luck?
     
  25. corners

    corners Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    5,441
    The throne is at Roland Garros.
     
  26. dafinch

    dafinch Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,829
    <<Yawn.>> Yeah, and when he doesn't defend it, next year it'll be, oh the throne is only in EVEN numbered years or some other alibi. Nole wasn't at full strength and crushed BP like a cockroach on dirt, and on dirt most like RG-spin all you like.
     
  27. pds999

    pds999 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,552
    I think there are a few over exaggerations in there. Djokovic won 7 in a row against him, he then won 3 in a row against Djokovic, now Djokovic wins one (and deservedly so). The thing is both have had off days when playing each other recently. Last year in MC Djokovic was well off the pace. Yesterday Nadal hit 35 UE's which is unheard off for him, and admitted to being tired (again unheard of for him). Djokovic first set at least played the best he can on clay. Rafa nowhere near.

    So I am not sure what conclusions we can draw other than one on their best day can beat the other on an off day, which we already knew? Goodness, Dimitrov took a 6-2 set off him this week too. Things weren't quite right, and the conditions of course were heavy and not ideal for the topspin to take.

    I don't think it lays down any markers for RG at all, as it will be hotter there, the clay will be more to Rafa's liking and he will be fitter then you would assume.

    As I said Saturday, Nole was the favourite to win the final given all the above. And he did, deservedly so.
     
  28. pds999

    pds999 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,552
    I think it's a bit of both. Djok played great first set but Rafa's level was down the whole match 35 UE's is unheard of from him? You could see the conditions weren't to his favour either (same for both man, no excuse). I don't think this was like the AO final for example where both men gave their absolute best. This was one in form player playing another slightly off colour. It happens. Happened in the same final last year. It'll probably happen again.
     
  29. Fiji

    Fiji Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2011
    Messages:
    5,189
    I wonder if Djokovic can dominate the clay season? That would be hilarious. Do what Nadal did for years.
     
  30. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,972
    Location:
    New York
    I don't know but he's made something like 10 clay finals since 2009, so he's definitely capable of consistency on the surface.
    It depends what you mean by "dethrone".
    If you mean "match" or "surpass" Rafa's overall records on clay, then I don't think Rafa will ever be dethroned and certainly not by Djoko who is nowhere close (then again no one is)
    If you mean: beat Rafa at the clay slam, well Sod has already done that. Does it feel like Sod has "dethroned" Nadal? of course not. I don't think an isolated win vs Rafa on clay is all that significant no matter where it happens as long as Nadal regains the title later
    The only way the term "dethrone' could apply is if one loss or a series of losses knocked down Nadal's confidence to the point that he would stop winning on clay (or become much more vulnerable). That's something we'd only know retrospectively and even then it would be subject to interpretation (some people would find other reasons to invoke)
    At this point, the only thing we can say about Djoko is that he's the player who's been the most successful vs Rafa on clay, the one who's challenged him the most.
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2013
  31. Sorana fan

    Sorana fan Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2012
    Messages:
    1,059
    Exactly. The thread has no point.
     
  32. dafinch

    dafinch Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,829
    He most certainly was NOT the favorite, in fact, BP was a $2.20 favorite.
     
  33. Big_Dangerous

    Big_Dangerous Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2010
    Messages:
    6,019
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    Congrats, you've just made my ignore list.
     
  34. fps

    fps Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2007
    Messages:
    5,432
    Location:
    Brighton, England
    Yep, and we saw enough to know he's getting better, that was Djokovic, he's the main rival, and Rafa wasn't great, sure, but he was battling away there, and in a month he'll be better.

    Personally I believe the French will come a few weeks too early for him and he Djokovic will win it. But it won't be easy.
     
  35. dafinch

    dafinch Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,829
    Oh, Goody! Shall I alert the media? Perhaps you should share that news flash with somebody who gives a rat's ass...
     
  36. vive le beau jeu !

    vive le beau jeu ! G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    11,457
    Location:
    Ometepe, Pink Granite, Queyras, Kerguelen (...)
    Le rocher est libre !

    prince albert just decided to erect a monument in the honnor of djokovic:

    [​IMG]

    here what's written on the memorial plate:
    • Prince Albert, in the name of the monegasque people, warmly thanks Novak Bullslayer Djokovic for delivering the principalty from the yoke of the shameful oppressions by the evil topspin axis forces. We will be forever thankful to the Djoker for putting an end to these obscure times of domination by ugly cheating tennis (and pathetic biting of our beloved trophy).

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  37. Sentinel

    Sentinel Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2008
    Messages:
    30,442
    Location:
    Somewhere over the rainbow
    btw, Humbalito gave the princess a hug too.
     
  38. CMM

    CMM Legend

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2009
    Messages:
    6,713
  39. Bud

    Bud Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2007
    Messages:
    31,167
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    These old threads are a bucket of laughs! :D
     
  40. Magnus

    Magnus Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    5,172
    Nadal is still the queen of clay, but that's the last year he is.
     
  41. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,972
    Location:
    New York
    The King of Clay is still on his throne! Long live the King!
     
  42. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,972
    Location:
    New York
    That's what people say every year, who knows how much longer :lol:
     
  43. monfed

    monfed Guest

    You think this is Nadal's last RG?(should he win the final which he 99% will)
     
  44. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,972
    Location:
    New York
    If Nadal won more than 1 slam this year, the Fed fans would start freaking (and with good reason).
     
  45. fps

    fps Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2007
    Messages:
    5,432
    Location:
    Brighton, England
    What a performance from Rafa. I thought Djokovic would take the crown this year.
     
  46. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,972
    Location:
    New York
    I wonder if Sod will go down in history as the only player who defeated Rafa at RG...
     
  47. TheNightHunter

    TheNightHunter Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2013
    Messages:
    643
    It won't go that way most likely, unless Rafa retires due to injury before playing his last tournament.
     
  48. monfed

    monfed Guest

    Your gloating is getting to the point of being illogical. :lol:
     
  49. TheF1Bob

    TheF1Bob Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2011
    Messages:
    9,473
    Location:
    NON-Pigeon City
    This thread will come in handy in a years time. 8)
     
  50. Incognito

    Incognito Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 30, 2013
    Messages:
    2,018
    Berdych really tweeted that? I thought he hated nadal? maybe they're becoming friends?
     

Share This Page