The Lowest Stiffness you Have seen in a racket?

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  1. NumberOne

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    I Have seen 52 stiffness in a prince exo 3 tour.
     
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  2. matchmaker

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    I play with some Wilson reflex mids and they have a 51 flex rating. Strangely, despite the 85 s.i. head and the low flex, they are the most powerful racquets I have ever hit with. I can just hit winners from all over the court. I do have streaks of unforced errors though, but it is such a feeling to hit deep and penetrating all the time and that flex just sends all the right feel up my arm. Sometimes after a game, I can still mentally feel my shots. I have the impression that a low flex really helps to improve in that it gives so much useful feedback, but you need the heft to get power out of it. I have played with some low flex yet anemic frames too, but it does not have to be that way.
     
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  3. frinton

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    I have hit one hour with my Lacoste (equal to Wilson t-2000), with horribly old strings. But after that I understood why thy used to call this stick the trampolin...on some shots I just had the feeling of a trampolin for tennis balls in my hand. No clue what the stiffness rating of that stick is, but it felt all but stiff...fired some crazy fast serves with it too.
     
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  4. jonestim

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    I have a Prince Graphite Pro 110 in my bag right now that has a flex of 49, but the Vantage Bastcore BC 30 has a flex of 45. Older wood and aluminum frames are lower.
     
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  5. audioaffliction

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    No idea what the numerical rating is, but the Rossignol F200 is by far the most flexible racquet I've ever owned or hit with. Makes the Prince Exo3 Tour feel like an ultra-stiff frame.
     
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  6. marosmith

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    I have an older PT57a pretty darned flexy.
     
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  7. ChicagoJack

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    Grey font = Out of production and fairly uncommon. Most likely found on Flea Bay at this point.
    Black Font = Still in production, or still widely available as NOS by major online retailers (New Old Stock)

    19 ... Wilson BLX Khasmin Five
    20 ... Donnay Borg Pro
    25 ... Snauwert Vitas Gerulitas Autograph

    30 ... Rosignol Johan Kriek
    32 ... Dunlop Max 200G Pro
    33 ... Rosignol F200 (Blue)
    35 ... Prince Woodie
    36 ... Head Edgewood
    36 ... Etsua Kevron OS
    38 ... Dunlop Max 200G V
    38 ... Snauwert Gottfried Autograph
    38 ... Rosignol F200 (Red)
    38 ... Lacoste T2000

    43 ... Dunlop Max 200G I
    44 ... Yonex RX-28

    45 ... Vantage Bastcore 30
    44 ... HEAD Graphite Edge
    47 ... Rosignol Strato

    49 ... Vantage Bastcore 20

    50 ... HEAD Elite Master
    50 ... Yonex OPS-32

    50 ... Wilson nFury MP
    50 ... Wilson nfury Two MP
    50 ... Wilson KCourt
    50 ... Wilson K Factor Strike
    50 ... Wilson BlX Bold

    52 ... Yonex R-22
    52 ... Prince EXO3 Tour 100 18 x 20
    52 ... Prince EXO3 Tour 100 16 x 18
    52 ... Vantage Bastcore 40
    52 ... Wilson KBold

    53 ... Wilson KFactor KFierce
    53 ... Wilson BLX Blade Team

    54 ... Fisher Revolution Comp 105
    54 ... HEAD Satellite Tour MP
    54 ... Kneissl Reach Twice
    54 ... Kneissl White Star Masters
    54 ... Wilson Pro Staff 7.5 95
    54 ... Yonex RD 7


    55 ... Kneissl Reach IQ Square
    55 ... Kneissl Reach Twice
    55 ... Yonex Pro RD 70 Long 105

    55 ... Boris Becker London Tour

    56 ... Fischer M Speed Pro 105
    56 ... Fischer M Pro No1 98

    56 ... PK Heritage Edition Type C Redondo MP
    56 ... Dunlop 200G XL
    56 ... Addidas GTX Pro
    56 ... Kneissl Toms Reach Machine
    56 ... PK Blac Ace 86

    56 ... Prince EXO3 Rebel 95 2012
    56 ... HEAD Prestige Tour 660
    56 ... HEAD Pro Tour 630

    56 ... HEAD YT Radical OS
    56 ... Pacifix X Feel Tour

    57 ... Gamma RZR 98
    57 ... Gamma T-7
    57 ... HEAD Microgel Radical MP
    57 ... HEAD MicroGel Radical OS
    57 ... HEAD MicroGel Extreme Team
    57 ... HEAD FXP Prestige Team
    57 ... HEAD Radical Tour MP XL
    57 ... Fisher Magnetic Tour Light

    57 ... Wilson K Blade Team
    57 ... PK Heritage Edition Type C 98
    57 ... Dunlop 300G OS
    57 ... Dunlop Biomimetic 200 lite
    57 ... Dunlop Biomimetic 200
    57 ... Fischer VT Pro Classic 90
    57 ... Yonex R-23
    57 ... Yonex RD Comp

    57 ... Donnay X-P Dual Lite Black 102
    57 ... Donnay X-P Dual Lite White 102

    58 ... Boris Becker 11 Special Edition
    58 ... Fischer Pro Tour
    58 ... PK Heritage Type R
    58 ... Wilson nBlade MP
    58 ... Wilson nPS 95
    58 ... Fischer M Pro No1 105
    58 ... Donnay Pro One International
    58 ... Donnay XBlack 94

    58 ... Volkl DNX 10 MP
    58 ... Gamma G325
    58 ... Fischer Pro Extreme FT
    58 ... Prince EXO3 Rebel 98
    58 ... Prince EXO3 Tour lite 100
    58 ... HEAD Prestige Tour
    58 ... HEAD PT 280

    58 ... HEAD YT Radical Pro
    58 ... HEAD Radical Tour 630 1998
    58 ... HEAD FXP Radical OS
    58 ... HEAD LM radical OS

    59 ... Adidas Feather
    59 ... Adidas GTX Pro

    59 ... Wilson K six-One Team
    59 ... Wilson HPS 6.5 MP
    59 ... Wilson HPS 7.1 Zone

    59 ... Fischer M Comp 95
    59 ... Flexpoint Radical Tour
    59 ... T Fight 325
    59 ... Dunlop Muscle Weave 200G 95
    59 ... HEAD Classic Tour Mid

    59 ... Babolat Pure Storm Ltd Gt 95
    59 ... Yonex MP Tour 5
    59 ... Volkl Tour 10 Gen 1 Mid
    59 ... Volkl PB 10 Mid
    59 ... Volkl 2013 Organix 10 Mid
    59 ... Pacific X Feel Pro 90 Vacuum
    59 ... HEAD YT Graphene Instinct Rev
    59 ... Donnay X Blue 99

    60 ... Fischer M Pro No1 98 Light
    60 ... Ozone Tour MP
    60 ... Fischer Pro No1

    60 ... Pk Heritage Type C 93
    60 ... Avery M3 Control
    60 ... Avery M5 OS
    60 ... Dunlop 200G 95
    60 ... Fischer Vacuum Pro 90

    60 ... HEAD i Prestige Mid
    60 ... HEAD Premier Tour
    60 ... HEAD Prestige Classic Mid

    60 ... HEAD Microgel Radical Team
    60 ... Volkl C-9 Pro
    60 ... Volkl Tour 10 Gen 1 Mid
    60 ... Volkl DNX Mid
    60 ... Volkl Tour 10 V-E Mid
    60 ... Wilson Pro Staff ROK 93

    60 ... Wilson TX 25 mid
    60 ... Wilson Blade 104
    60 ... Yonex RDX 500 Mid
    60 ... Yonex Ultimum RD Ti 80
    60 ... Prince EXO3 Rebel 95
    60 ... Babolat PST GT
    60 ... Donnay XBlack 99
    60 ... Donnay Pro Cynetic


    Note: I've not indicated the digits for racquets over 60Ra, but there are many racquets in the PK, Donnay, Vantage, Angell, and Volkl lineup that play pretty comfy well into the mid 60's.

    Note: There's several hundred vintage woodies and early graphites not on the list here. That's a whole study unto itself. I've just included a handful for comparison sake and a frame of reference. A much more complete source for the SW, Balance, Mass and Flex of vintage frames can be found in Dino La Gaffe's RDC Log (wicked cool thread) in the classic racquet section.

    -Jack
     
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  8. NumberOne

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    Many thanks to all, especially to ChicagoJack.

    Finish!

    Thanks you very much.
     
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  9. scotus

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    Wilson BLX Five. Stiffness of N/A.

    Add 2 oz to the handle of this frame, and you've got the most comfortable tweener racquet.
     
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  10. Don't Let It Bounce

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    The Five BLX's predecessor, the Khamsin Five BLX, was listed at RA 19, which makes the old woodies look like Viagra addicts. It was misleading, though, since all the flex was at the middle element of their Triad system rather than in the carbon composite itself.
     
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  11. mctennis

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    Great job ChicagoJack.
     
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    Yeah, the Wilson frames with Triad technology are BY FAR THE LOWEST YOU CAN FIND for stiffness rating. The ratings were so low that TW and other companies now list it as N/A as mentioned. Cannot be beat, but they are very very head heavy and high powered. If you have bad tennis elbow, this is the cure-all frame.
     
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  13. ChicagoJack

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    No problemo mctennis, happy to assist.

    Jeezy Creezy that's pretty unique. I've updated my list for future reference, Thanks!
     
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    Yeah, TW listed a number for the Khamsin Five BLX of around 17, but the new generation which is called the Five BLX is listed as N/A. The weird thing is that it is due to the Triad damper between the throat and hoop. In fact, TW shows, "N/A due to the Triad System,"

    What is funny about this is the Wilson BLX Three also has the Triad system but they tested that stiffness and list it as 70! Don't what is going on there.
     
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  15. Roadway

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    slazenger phantom gold is the most flexible racquet i have ever hit. it is 16-17mm thick and made of mostly fiberglass, as makes it very flexible with the RA not higher than 40 by my assumption.
     
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  16. mrmike

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    I am assuming that only a small subset of this list are racquets still in production today? I know the EXO's are, but is that about it?
     
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  17. mmk

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    AFAIK, the Vantage Bastcores are still being made.
     
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  18. ChicagoJack

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    No problemo, I'm happy to assist NumberOne :)

    Hi Mr. Mike,

    That's a really great question. I've updated the big list to address this issue. Grey Font = out of production for a very long time, or recently discontinued but rare. Flea bay is your best bet here.

    However, in many cases, "out of production" does not mean unavailable. There's quite a few frames that are out of production for many years, but are still widely available as NOS (New Old Stock) by online retailers. The HEAD Microgel Radical MP would be a good example. That frame is actually currently on sale right here at TW for the pretty sweet price of $89.95. I've left those kinds of frames in the standard black font.

    Then there are frames that are only recently out of production, but are really very hard to find despite the timing. The Donnay X Blue 99 would a good example. I've put those kinds of frames in the Grey font as well.

    - Jack
     
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  19. PrinceMoron

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    38 does it for me, lots of NOS around too. Gottfried apparel harder to come by.
     
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  20. db10s

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    I have a frame with a stiffness of 0. It is a PDR... (plot twist ahead)....


    That I smashed.
     
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  21. ChicagoJack

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    You play with the Snauwert Gottfried Autograph?
     
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  22. mrmike

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    Thanks Jack, quite useful. I'm a big flexy frame fan :)
     
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  23. PrinceMoron

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    Yes, but there are several versions, with different lay ups, lengths and hoops. I like the smallest, thinnest most flexible of the variants. It is surprising how they could produce three very different looking frames with exactly the same weight and balance, as printed on the frame itself.

    Just one of those racquets that feels so right. Some I would like to get on with are the Donnay BB all woods/pros but I find them impossible.
     
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