The men's final = MUST MISS T.V.!!!

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  1. 007

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    Oh well...two basline, drop shot, moonball, dirtball clones going at it Sunday morning. Think I'll hit my local club and play instead.
    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Couldn't care less about either of these two boring clay court clones. Only redeeming factor about either is Gaudio's great 1-handed BH.

    Oh yeah........A BIG 'F.U.' TO NBC FOR NOT SHOWING HENMAN/CORIA.....especially considering what they did show was ALREADY HISTORY.

    ABSOLUTE STUPIDITY.

    GOD HELP US.
     
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  2. Cruzer

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    It would seem to follow that the French Open would have of couple of dirtball specialists, or clones as 007 calls them playing in the final. I did not realize the Coria and Gaudio were also moonballers. Is that a feature of the playing styles? Actually seeing some decent rallies will be refreshing to watch versus the "who can hit the hardest serve" contests that the faster surfaces tend to become in the final.
     
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  3. 007

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    I prefer to think of them as 'non all-courters'. Hitting the occassional dropper does de facto qualify as all-court tennis.
     
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  4. Chopin

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    I'm actually looking forward to the finals, it should be fun to watch those guys pound it out on clay and run down every ball. Perhaps you don't like watching clay court tennis if you think watching two of the best clay-courters in the world is "must-miss t.v."
     
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  5. @wright

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    Coria is one of the best shotmakers in the game today. Gaudio has incredible groundies and is an unseeded player making a grand slam final. If you aren't excited about this match, maybe you should switch sports.
     
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  6. ragnaROK

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    Well considering this IS Roland Garros.... home of the claycourter.. were you expecting anything drastically different?
    Recent RG champs include Ferrero and Guga and they both fit that mold you've given (I disagree with the moonball part). Maybe clay just isn't your style man.
     
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  7. Gemini

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    I think it'll be a great final if both players bring the same or higher levels of play they've had all tournament long. Watching Coria and Gaudio play is a refreshing change.
     
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  8. James Brown

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    awright summed it up best, why are you watching tennis if you dont want to see real tennis. if you want to see what tennis was 20 years ago, go watch borg and mcenroe. thats not what tennis is anymore. people play from the baseline, its not retarded S&V every point. god this frustrates me. go watch some womens matches or something $%$%$#$
     
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  9. !Tym

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    What about the RESPECT? The only thing that bothers me about this post is the tone of it. So you don't like a certain playing style, fine, but why the outright hostility and disrespect to the players playing that style? They're the two best this tournament and out of what 128 of the very best that the entire world has to offer? You may not like their style, but your post makes it sound like you hate them personally, that you're blaming them for ruining your Sunday.

    These guys work their tail off their whole life for a moment like this...pardon their selfishness in not accomodating you this Sunday. Sheesh, I don't always like a player or style, but I don't feel the need to take cheap shots at a style or a player.

    There are more respectful ways to get your point across.
     
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  10. Don Felder

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    Coria and Gaudio are both very entertaining shotmakers and I personally find their style of play quite exciting... they're both flying all over the court and blasting passes and hitting outrageous winners from 5 feet behind the baseline...

    I'm hoping for this to become a 5 set classic... we really really need a great mens final for once.
     
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  11. Aonex

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    Second what everyone else has been saying... really looking forward to the slugfest. Was pulling for Henman, but... man, that Coria is silky smooth from the baseline. I see him taking it in 4.
     
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  12. tetsuo10

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    Clay courts seem to favor the weaker players, meaning players without one big shot (server, forehand, whatever). That's also why you see most of the recent FO winners don't win any other slam. I agree that it gets really boring just seeing topspin, topspin, and more topspin. Isn't that why Borg retired so early? He basically bored himself to death with all that topspin. :lol:

    That being said, I love watching Coria stroke the ball. I will watch it simply because of him. Sounds like it'll be a 1-1-1 match in Coria's favor.
     
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  13. Astennix

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    I just spoke on the phone with Coria and Gaudio and they are very dissapointed that 007 won't be watching the match. They are so sad that they are even considering not playing the final this Sunday and tell ESPN to show a replay of Serena-Capriati from last week (phew!..that is really entertaining!!). :wink:
     
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  14. @wright

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    LMAO
     
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  15. Brad Smith

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    testuo10 -- I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. The FO favors the weaker players? The guy standing at the end of the FO usually had to play more tennis than any other slam winner. It's hard work. Fitness itself is a weapon. Rainer Schuettler reached the finals of the AO using fitness as his main weapon. To win the FO fitness is a given -- you also have to have mental toughness, patience, and the ability to play tennis. The reason recent FO winners don't win other slams is because men's tennis is so good that in general the best guys on the slower surfaces can beat Roddick and Federer on clay, and the best guys on the hard surfaces can beat Coria and Ferrero on hard. While it's nice to see Ferrero reaching the finals of the US Open last year and Henman's run at the French this year, the odds are against that happening very often. Even Lendl could never win Wimbledon because there were just too many good serve and volleyers (McEnroe, Edberg, Becker, Stich) in his way.
     
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  16. spinbalz

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    Single Tennis is a sport where 2 peoples play one against the other, with the same rules for both, and the "weaker" player never wins.
     
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  17. ProStaffTour90

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    Well i've got a national league match so can't watch it anyway, but i was contemplating not playing if Tim made the final!
     
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  18. tetsuo10

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    When I say weaker, I mean physically weaker, by not having the big serve or the big forehand. Yes, I agree mental toughness is a strength. Roddick didn't win because of that and lack of patience.

    There certainly are times when the "weaker" player wins. Sometimes it matters who makes less unforced errors. In that case, I wouldn't say that the "stronger" player won, because those players are playing not to lose. Playing "not to lose" is not fun tennis to watch.
     
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  19. Astennix

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    Roddick didn't win because of that and many other things...You need to "play" the point on clay..open the court...vary spin, angles and depth. You need to be fit, clever, and go for the shot at the right time. Don't think all clay courters are pushers...Moya, Squillari, Mancini, Gonzalez, Gaudio, Nabaldian and Coria hit extremly hard (you cannot appreciate on TV). Do you remember Mancini or Squillari?? They were 100% claycourters and both hit harder than Agassi, Sampras and Roddick who according to you are "stronger" players. Maybe you never enjoyed playing on red clay so you don't understand what you I am saying but you have to accept that serving aces all the time, as A-Rod, is IMHO extremely boring too. Tennis is not "one" stroke...it is the combination of strenght, endurance, power, finesse and consistency. There is no better place to put that in practice than in red clay.
     
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  20. tetsuo10

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    I never said they were pushers. I doubt that anyone can be a top ATP player and be a pusher.
     
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  21. AAAA

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    Some past FO winners are:

    Muster, Courier, Agassi, Kuerten, Moya, Ferrero, Lendl, Chang, Bruguera and Costa.

    With the exception of Chang, calling any of the remainder physically 'weak' or stating they have 'weak' shots just isn't true.

    Clay court tennis isn't for players who can only use power as a crutch.

    On clay players must have the technical and tactical ability and the mental willingness to 'work' the point. Before the introduction of graphite racquets and the power game ushered in by people like Lendl and Becker all players needed the technical and tactical ability and the mental willingness to 'work' the point on all surfaces. In a sense clay court tennis needs more 'old school' skills than the power game of the faster surfaces.
     
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  22. !Tym

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    Why can't people just accept that there are lots of different ways to play the game and they are ALL challenging in their own way; that's why it takes these guys their entire lifetime to master their style!

    Even pushing is an art, and I'm talking about the true club level pusher. You need incredible consistency and mental toughness to pull this off, and trust go to any local court and you'll see just how few people can actually keep the ball in all day long...heck, they'd be lucky if they could do it for two or three shots.

    I never understood why consistent strokes was never considered a talent. It most definitely it is. Tennis is a game of errors for a reason, because it's REALLY hard to keep the ball in the court! Particularly, when guys hit as hard and with as much spin and placement as they do on the main tour. As someone who's always been more of a shotmaker myself, I marvel at the consistency of some players I've faced. I honestly wish I had a little of THAT talent in me too.

    I don't look down upon it as any less talent, to me in fact it seems an almost impossible talent...just not the game or style that suits me best.

    At the same time, I appreciate the talent it takes to play my way as well; I'm just not arrogant enough to believe that that's the ONLY *kind* of talent worth applauding.

    There's many different ways to play this game, and anyone who can play that way good enough to be one of the best in the world? Well, hey, more power to them. Who am I to stand in their way, let alone judge them? Seriously, I wouldn't mind being in their shoes for just one day. It'd be a great feeling to know that I could walk into any tennis club or public court in the world on any day of the week, at any hour, and just decimate the competition with my eyes closed. How fun would that be!
     
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  23. irishbanger

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    tetsuo10---Does Demintieva qualify as a pusher? She does in my book. That is the ugliest serve I've ever seen in pro tennis. How does she win if not pushing everything back?
     
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  24. Vlad

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    In women's game serve is not that important, espicially on clay. Dementieva has very solid gound game, reliable backhand, and one of the best forehands in WTA. She is a great mover and physically very strong player. She returns very good too. So, she compensates well for that weak serve. Also, her serve is mostly slice, which trubles some players as well.
     
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  25. tetsuo10

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    Hitting hard isn't all that hard. Most adult males can hit the ball hard. So hitting the ball hard and in, well that certainly is talent. And that's what pros have. However, I don't really consider pushing to be much of an art. I do know pushers and play with them. Fortunately, most guys I play with get more statisfaction out of hitting good, solid shots, and they know that the only way of getting better at that is to continue to hit those balls.

    I've never seen Dementieva play. But the men's game is completely different from the women's.
     
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  26. Pushmaster

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    I agree, it's gorgeous. For that reason alone, it's worth watching.
     
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  27. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    007, next time, try switching channels from NBC to ESPN, and you would've noticed that while Gaudi-Nalbandian was happening on NBC, Henman-Coria was live on ESPN and continuing on ESPN2. Henman Coria was crazy, and I can't WAIT to see this match tomorrow. The classic clay match of clay court ballers with insane topspin, speed, and they are both like 5'8" or something. This should be crazy, never stop rallies.
     
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  28. Kobble

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    People like to see contrast in styles, but I would rather watch two baseliners than two ace machines anyday. Unless if Goran is one of the ace machines, then I must watch. I would have rather seen someone like Safin or Federer against Coria, but Gaudio is starting to grow on me, and I believe he should be able to take this one if he stays focused. I just hope it goes more than 3 sets.
     
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  29. Ronaldo

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    Shirley you don't believe NBC would show a LIVE match and lose control of commercial time along with the possible wardrobe malfunction ala Safin. Or is it a brainfart?
     
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