The Most Athletic Tennis Player

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Most Athletic Tennis Player

  1. Nadal

    4 vote(s)
    15.4%
  2. Monfils

    11 vote(s)
    42.3%
  3. Borg

    4 vote(s)
    15.4%
  4. Sampras

    2 vote(s)
    7.7%
  5. Federer

    5 vote(s)
    19.2%
  6. Other(post the player's name)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. big bang

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    Originally Posted by canuckfan
    Exactly. Explosiveness must be matched with intelligence and understanding. Otherwise it's not worth much.

    how the H... can you think that sound racist??? LMAO!!
    put that racecard back in pocket where it belongs.

    Monfils plays like someone who doesnt understand the tools he posses, if he did he would have been ranked much higher. but hey Im not complaining, hes number 1 on my dislike list:)
     
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  2. Andyroddickfan

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    no im pretty sure there not... but umm ok.
     
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  3. lawrence

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    No, they never said Monfil's wasn't smart, they said he doesn't play smart.
    Which I would agree with, he has such great athleticism but his game plan could really do with some improvement.
     
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  4. pmerk34

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    Just because he is black and athletic does not = not smart.
     
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  5. big bang

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    so because someone think Monfils doesnt play a very smart game, then they must be racist?? I think you are one who got issues here:shock:
    I got lots of friends from different races and colors, and you are insulting ppl for saying their oppinion on one persons tennisgame:shock:
     
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  6. big bang

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    did anyone say that?? because I havent read that anywhere..
     
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  7. Nathaniel_Near

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    I cannot BELIEVE that there has been accusations of racism based on nothing; reading something into a statement that in almost all likelihood just isn't there.

    what a RIDICULOUS and pathetic insinuation. This thread just became a quagmire of befuddlement. You have got to be kidding me.

    Just... incredulous.

    Get a grip Pmerk. Get a grip.
     
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  8. borg number one

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    The term "athletic" is multi-faceted, but this would be my list of the top pros in the Open Era, in terms of athleticism:

    1. Borg- He had it all. He possessed great stamina, great reflexes/hand-eye coordination, blazing speed (fast). He was also extremely quick, and deceptively strong (through the roof leg strength and a very strong upper body (torso, shoulders). Many spoke about how hard he could hit the ball, producing very "heavy" shots, that had pace, plus lots of topspin. He hit with a Donnay Borg Pro from 1980-81, which was ~70 sq. inches and contained some graphite fibers, but it did not much graphite, and was mostly wood, strung with gut only, with no Luxilon or poly strings, strung at about 80-81 lbs!. He played with an almost pure wood frame before that model. So, if you want apples to apples in terms of power, put a modern frame in his hands during his prime. People say, well he was 5'11" and ~160-165 lbs., but with Borg's athleticism, he played so much "bigger", in that a fellow pro, once said "his body is his best shot". He is widely regarded as the best athlete in the history of the Game.

    2. Nadal- He's very strong, has great stamina, is very fast and quick, plus, he has very underrated reflexes/eye hand-coordination (you can see that when he plays at the net), yet, his style of play (not as light on his feet as either Federer or Borg) is conducive to injuries.

    3. Federer- He's extremely quick, very fast, has good stamina (but not as good in this dept. as either Nadal or Borg), with very good flexibility, great leg strength, and he has stayed very injury free for many years now, while staying at or near the top for most of his career.

    4. Sampras- His stamina wasn't that great, but he was very agile, quick, fast, and had great reflexes/eye-hand coordination, along with very impressive leaping ability. So, his very positive qualities put him on my list, despite not having the stamina of these other guys. He was also quite strong.

    5. Lendl- Great stamina (very close to both Nadal and Borg in terms of stamina),very fast, but not extremely quick (not the best at changing directions), quite strong, but not the best reflexes (which hurt him some at Wimbledon). Tall and very rangy.

    6. Edberg- He was strong, fast, very quick, great reflexes at net, and loads of stamina. He was extremely explosive at net and had very strong legs, that allowed him to push off after serving and explode towards the net.


    Honorable Mentions:


    -Monfils has been mentioned a lot and he has explosive speed and good stamina from what I've seen, but though very muscular, doesn't generate as much power as many other players, and he is more fast than quick, in that he's not that great at very quickly changing directions.

    -Rafter was another great athlete, who, in my opinion has a lot in common with Edberg. He was very strong, especially his legs, so I'd probably put him even above Monfils overall.

    Yet, there are many great tennis athletes, as demanding as Tennis is. Tennis demands the combination of so many athletic skills, and they all need to fit together nicely in order to produce a great tennis player. To have a great tennis player, these athletic skills must also be combined with other traits such as tennis intelligence, determination, resiliency, resolve, and intensity.
     
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  9. pmerk34

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    I'm still looking for a photo or clip where Edberg looks awkward at net. I don't think one exists.
     
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  10. Nathaniel_Near

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    Wow, you put some nice effort into this list.

    I don't suppose you could elaborate a bit further on positions 2 - 6? Heck you could even find a short video of all 6 to demonstrate their athletic abilities.

    Perhaps I'm being cheeky and asking too much! :):)
     
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  11. BullDogTennis

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    nadal is to accident prone to be known as "most athletic" part of being athletic is being smooth and staying injury free. especially in a sport where there is NO contact with other people.
     
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  12. borg number one

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    Well, I will put in this video clip for now. It captures a lot of Borg's qualities during these points against Connors in 1979. Thanks to TW Poster Krosero for this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTMx--E0OhY
     
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  13. pmerk34

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    IT shows Borg was quick as all heck.
     
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  14. kishnabe

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    Since you know a lot about Borg, Do you know what he did to get so Atheletic. He is possibly the best Clay Courter of all time with his great Fitness. I mean what makes him so different from others in terms of fitness. He had a very slim frame but was very strong and fast. He would have definetly gotten much stronger if he kept on playing in 1982 like he did in Akai. His power was more prominent there, is there a workout he did that you would supposedly know. Or any type of training he did as a child?
     
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  15. borg number one

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    You know what Kishnabe, I've thought about that ever since I first watched his matches. How did he get like that? I'll say it's primarily some combination of the following: 1. he was a freak of nature (like the other guys) 2. he worked SO HARD, with workouts for hours every day, to get strong/so fit. 3. his intensity/laser like focus that allowed him to so thoroughly focus his incredible athletic gifts while playing. He wouldn't say ANYTHING, as he was constantly in a "zone" seemingly.

    He did a lot of running, but besides that, his workouts on Court were brutal. He was known to play 3-5 hours a day, very intensely when preparing for events, and he was totally immersed in playing/training/resting in order to keep himself in peak shape. As a youngster, he played hockey at a very high level before focusing on tennis full time. He won Junior Wimbledon at about 16 years of age and played his first Wimbledon at 17.

    That's great you pointed out 1982. There is a lot of mention of his good play indoors at the 1982 Akai event (he beat Lendl and McEnroe in Japan), and it has been mentioned that he was doing quite a bit of strength training to gain even more upper body strength. I know that among Swedish elite athletes, his leg strength was measured and he had incredible leg power (squat strength). He was basically a Olympic quality track athlete put in the frame of a tennis player.
     
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  16. deltox

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    Monfils, no other player in the game previous to him had the ability to do the things he has done. leaping over 3' vertically to hit a forehand, sliding on hardcourts. those that say he is muscular but weak, remember he does have the world record forehand (or did at one point).

    Monfils is not the best tennis player or even close, but the "pure athelete" for the sport goes to him in my book.

    really, alot of people did amazing things, but noone performed as many spectacular feats as monfils.
     
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  17. davey25

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    I think the poor stamina of Sampras is a myth. You dont have the 5 set record, especialy in slams, that he does with poor stamina no matter how mentally tough you are.
     
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  18. canuckfan

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    Pmerk clearly doesn't have any grip on reality. If any criticism is made about a black athlete, it's gotta be racist. It couldn't possibly be because it's true. It couldn't possibly be because the people giving the critique don't give a flying f*ck about race, and are simply making a relevant critique of a player's GAME.

    Nope, it's gotta be all about the skin color. That's as far as his mind can go. Truly idiotic.
     
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  19. canuckfan

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    My first post in this topic was intended to point out that athleticism in isolation isn't all it's hyped up to be. It's a tool that is useful, but must be alloyed with anticipation, variation, misdirection, tactics and shot selection. Otherwise it isn't worth that much.

    Monfils is an example of a talented athlete who could be better if he applied his gifts with more of the things I mentioned above. The fact that he has a given ethnicity is entirely irrelevant.
     
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  20. Marius_Hancu

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    Best choices, as they've lasted and collected the most. The rest, by comparison, are just show offs for the purpose of tennis.
     
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  21. TennisFan008

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    Why the f does people think Monfils is more athletic than Nadal??? They are probably close in terms of speed and strength but Rafa's endurance is on another planet. Overall, Nadal is clearly the better athlete. Especially if it's true that he doesn't lift weights.
     
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  22. mandy01

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    Thanks for this.As someone who hasnt seen Borg play a whole lot this really makes me even more curious to know more about him.
     
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  23. TennisFan008

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    Steffi Graf ran 800 m in 2.06 as a junior off of tennis training.
     
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  24. borg number one

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    No problem Mandy, I appreciate your interest in learning more about him as a player. Check out this DVD at your leisure, which chronicles his run at Wimbledon in the late 1970's. Also, see a few other videos I really like. Watching some of these always gets me motivated to get out on the Courts.


    Bjorn Borg-Legends of Wimbledon (Wimbledon DVD Collection)

    (Part 1)
    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1694076/5681964

    (Part 2)
    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1694418/5686082

    (Part 3)
    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1694791/5681794

    (Part 4)
    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1695359/5682850

    (Part 5)
    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1695735/5683378

    (Part 6)
    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1702965/5702564

    (Part 7)
    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1695987/5684466


    Borg on Winning in Tennis:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLVoUl4OVGc

    Borg-Federer Forehand (Frame by Frame Comparison):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31IYa7VsZYg

    Borg/Federer Video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KNcpwsBQHU&NR=1
     
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  25. LameTennisPlayer

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    in terms of sports that isn't difficult considering that rugby players(not including forwards obviously) can run sub 12, and they are on average 95-100 kg's, even sub 11 isn't uncommon amongst non track runners/sports professionals
     
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  26. borg number one

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    Yes, that's true LameTennisPlayer. I'll try and find some specific info, but I've read from a TW Poster that Borg was clocked at sub 11 seconds in a 100M run for example. So, 11-12 seconds is impressive, but not too surprising. I wouldn't be surprised if several pro players could run a 100M this fast. What gets tough in Tennis, is combining "top" speed, or being "fast" with great quickness as well (changing directions on a dime so to speak). Then, of course even after you reach a tennis ball, you have to have the eye hand coordination and skill to execute a shot effectively on the run. So, being fast is just one component of a tennis player's skill set.
     
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  27. BLX

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  29. LameTennisPlayer

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    I personally doubt that Nadal is not lifting weights, if you mean gym weights that is. If he isn't it still isn't difficult to build an athletic body without the use of free weights/machines, as there are competitive bodybuilders who build their physiques without the use of free weights/machines(i'm not referring to the juicing kind either, even still they would still need to work-out juice and all)...its just easier/quicker to do it with free weights. They would probably be using their own body weight, or partner-assisted exercises; which in reality they are still using weights; although not free weights, which i think is what you're referring too.....
     
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  30. DoubleDeuce

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    THis should have been a poll.
     
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  31. LameTennisPlayer

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    even to come up with 10 players for the poll, you will miss out on alot of worthy contenders
     
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  32. BLX

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    Monfils athletic abilty, GOAT

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    Monfils mental ability, 3.5

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  33. djokovicgonzalez2010

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    why only 6 poll votes?
     
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  34. Nathaniel_Near

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    ..Only recently added.
     
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  35. LameTennisPlayer

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    Although it does look like in the second pic, that Monfils knows how to use his head on the court.....
     
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