Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Steven87, Jul 19, 2006.
Id say either Coria or JCF...man do Spanish players know how to rally
Michael Chang or Lleyton hewitt
Only 1 slam between Coria and JCF...
If you're talking about most consistant baseliner EVER, you gotta go with players like Bjorn Borg (11 Slams) or Mats Wilander (7 slams). Both could rally all day without seemingly getting tired, and both rarely made an unforced error. Their consistancy also carried over onto multiple surfaces as well. Borg won the French on clay, Wimbledon on grass, and made the US Open final on hard courts. Wilander won the French on clay, the Australian when it was played on grass, and the US and Australian Opens on hard court. (Wilander is one of only three players to win a slam on all three surfaces - the others being Connors and Agassi.)
Kuerten. He also had offense though.
Nadal can have stretches of almost ZERO unforced errors due to his high clearance over the net (I think he had five unforced errors total in set two and set three at the French Open finals . . . someone correct me please if I am wrong). With his high racquet head speed, he can shank and few though . . . plus he plays really aggressively which also leads to more errors than the other players.
Hmm . . . I chose two fairly offensive-style defenders . . . but I think they were the best.
muster.. the man
Ten characters: Bjorn.
Nadal is probably the most consistent baseliner I've ever seen within the context of how relentlessly heavy, potent, and/or powerful his shots are. I was noticing during the Wimbledon final, I was surprised every time he missed. I realized that no matter what his positioning was, if he could touch the ball I expected him to get the ball in. And this on grass! There are certainly guys who are strictly more about consistency, and probably surpass Nadal on sheer consistency alone, but they're not nearly as impressive to me.
Man: Bjorn Borg, he kept the game simple and safe. He only aimed his groundstrokes two yards from the service line, and hit them sometimes down the line, sometimes crosscourt. He didn't use complex strategy, but he did use his heavy topspin, speed and endurance to wear down his opponents.
Woman: Christ Evert. 125 match winning streak on clay. Enough said.
Whether we agree or not, Andre Agassi deserves mention.
borg. noone else is close except maybe wilander.
I would also add Roger Federer as one of the most consistent baseliners ever.
I second that.
cmonnnnnnnnn wat about lleyton hewitt...he can scramble forever
Chris Evert overall and Lleyton Hewitt amongst the men.
i heard evert was a wall. in most recent times, hingis is the best i can think of.
i agree with the vote on hewitt and i have to add nadal. their games are based on being "walls".
hahahahaha, ill second that, Ivo Karlovic
Lleyton Hewitt. He is like a wall. He rarely makes an unforced error.
another vote for nadal...
I've never seen an elite player shank as many routine balls as Federer. His backhand is a brick machine.
Fed has been hitting LIGHTS OUT this year...
even if he shanks a ball ... but then he comes back and hits 20 winners in a row to make up for it ...
Another? Did anyone mention hi,?
Well he deserves it a vote for nadal.
JuanCF DESERVES RECOGNITION TOO. YET HE FAILS TO HIT WINNERS!
I was tempted to mention Fed and then remembered :
nadal because his shots have so much topspin and high clearance over the net.
My reason exactly.
They used to be the best...now they are just lazy.
I know you're making fun of Greg "The Grin" Rusedski, but you'd be surprised... I remember Greg giving guys like Agassi and Enqvist a lot of trouble in baseline rallies by simply rallying patiently and not making any errors on his slice backhand. Rafter would use the same kind of tactic. Those guys were *supposed* to be so bad from the baseline, and they'd hold serve so often, that they didn't have much pressure at all during baseline rallies and all the pressure was on their opponents to come up with the goods.
I'm goin with Nadal, Fed, Hewitt and Davydenko for the current men's game. Ultimately, I think Rafa edges the rest.
If consistency is doing LESS Unforced Errors, and returning every ball back, and hit some winners, Guillermo Cañas is another modern guy to pay attention to.
Check his UE stats, like 15 per match only
all time, borg and chang
Who was it that once won a french open final with only three unforced errors all match long? I don't remember who that was.
...maybe I'm thinking of McEnroe at Wimbledon...
wilander missed like 3 or 4 first serves for the entire match in the french open 1988 final against leconte.
I'd say Max Myrni takes this one...definately, no doubt...
If you don't say Borg, you're wrong. It's not really up to opinion. Six French Opens people. He hit with so much topspin. It always dropped in.
If you didn't say Borg, then you haven't seen him play, and with a wood racquet no less.
Honorable mentions: Wilander, Agassi, Muster, Chang.
That is the problem... I don't think most people on this board have seen Borg play (or Wilander, Muster, and Chang for that matter). As I posted earlier, Borg gets my vote, with Wilander coming in second. Some of the modern guys like Coria, Canas, or JCF shouldn't even be in the discussion of most consistant EVER.
^^^ That's the problem with age -- it dates us.
I admire what Rod Laver accomplished, but thankfully, I wasn't around to personally watch his many accomplishments. If I did, then I truly would be "Granny Nadal."
And I don't think many fans here were either -- I suspect the folks that did watch him either don't own computers, or if they do, don't visit tennis websites. Otherwise, we'd have more threads about whether Laver in his prime would beat Pete in his.
So, we really can't fault tennis supporters for not watching the game in the 70's, especially if they hadn't been born.
We all take the experiences we have, and bring them to the board. And in some ways it would be nice if the folks who watched Laver could weigh in on it. But in the meantime, we do have folks around who can tell us about the rivalries in the 70's and the days of playing with wood racquets. And I think that's terrific. I did watch some of those "now classic" matches live, but at the time I didn't know they were going to be classics. I just thought they were fun to watch -- I especially liked the Connors/McEnroe clashes, because I hated Johnny Mac. Funny, because now I like him.
There so much to admire as to each generation of players, IMO, and it's hard to compare and contrast the generations. Racquet technology has changed, along with player fitness standards.
Who knows how those players would have adjusted to today's physical sport? Who knows if today's players could have had the touch and finesse to play with wood racquets and faster surfaces?
We don't need to decide that, though. We just need to appreciate the accomplishments of past players, and recognize that when we discuss who is the best baseliner, volleyer or whatever, it's all relative.
Chris Evert over everyone, male or female
That said, men would be Wilander or Borg (maybe Nadal)
Current women maybe Hingis
I pick Lendl.
Chang wasn't that consistent. Let me put it this way: He always
wanted to attack but did not get many actual chances.
He had that mind-set. He was hard court specialist.
When he won FO, he won it by selectively attacking..
Old timers -
Both two had no weapons but you had to stay all day to beat them...Remember the moon ball.
If you haven't seen Eddie Dibbs play Harold Solomon with a rally of over sixty strokes 15-0, then 45 strokes, 15-15, then over 55, 30-15 - -you get the idea. They would stay out there four hours for a 6-4, 4-6, 6-4 match.
Borg was impatient in comparison.
Borg, Chris Evert.
Players today? Tatiana Golovin has the potential to be a very consistent baseliner. She doesn't make many mistakes and surprisingly her forehand reminds me of Chris Evert. She's still young enough to make a breakthrough at the highest level.
Borg...he would play matches against the backboard for practice and have to hit a certain amount of balls in the same spot to win the point. It was something crazy like 75-100 balls in a row. Wilander was basically a Borg clone. Lendl could also go out and grind because he was so mell conditoned, but he had the added dimension of the big forehand and serve. None of the guys nowadays can compare because very few of them know how to contruct a point.
Borg, Lendl and Wilander
Maybe in the beginning, but didn't he go a stretch where he only hit slice backhands? And he was a legitimate all court player, by the end he was way beyond Borg.
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