The most intellectual tennis player

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  1. maximo

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    Who in your opinion is the smartest of the bunch. :)

    I think Federer, due to the fact he can speak 4 languages.
     
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    ^^^

    Yeah you're probably right.

    Or Blake. He managed to get a Harvad Law Degree despite his back problems and fathers death.
     
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    Novak speaks FLUENTLY 4 languages, but I would not consider him the smartest. Plus, Switzerland common languages are Swiss-Deutsch (German-like), Italian and French, so not really overly impressive that he speaks 4 (English) languages. I bet you Wawrinka speaks at least 3 or 4...
     
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    Ancic has a law degree and gives speeches at Harvard. Blake attended Harvard, but from what I heard he got in because his brother went too.
     
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    Mmm, probably not the best gauge since many of the players speak that many languages.

    I mean, if you're going to count Swiss-German, Rafa speaks four languages, too. Spanish, Catalan, Mallorquin, and English. Yeah, his English isn't great, but he can communicate in it.
     
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    Im pretty sure not that many speak 4 languages.:|
     
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    There will be loads that do
     
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    At such young ages, i wonder how pro's learn 4 languages in total. How do they find the spare time?
     
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    Have you ever been to Europe? Everyone on the continent speaks multiple languages. The coutries are close together and people travel back and forth so it's easy to become fluent in several languages.
     
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    Being an intellectual has nothing to do with how many degrees you have.

    given to study, reflection, and speculation b: engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellect <intellectual playwrights


    Here's the only ATP player who fits this description..Tipsarevic


    His love of classic literature is often mentioned by commentators and the press as something unusual for a high-level athlete. He has a quotation, tattooed in Japanese, from Dostoyevsky ("Beauty will save the world", from The Idiot) on his left arm. He also has a Japanese tattoo on his right arm, which represent the first two letters of the names of his father, his mother, himself and his brother, in Katakana. According to US Open announcers Ted Robinson and John McEnroe, he also has a tattoo of a quote from Arthur Schopenhauer on his back.
     
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    I live in Europe, and most people i know speak a maximum of 2 languages. But to speak at least 3 language at the age of 21 is quite impressive, no?
     
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    Must be Stepanek, he has something going on.
     
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    As far as tactics for the game is concerned - Rafa is miles ahead intelectually. You only had to watch him play today. Many people a have the opportunity to speak several languages due to the country they live in. I met people in Africa who told me they had little eduacation but could communicate well in english, german and french- which made me feel very inadequate
     
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    Hit to the backhand? It is no surprise that he struggles more against players with good backhands.
     
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    Yes but unlike the others he THINKS of ways to remedy the situation
     
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    blake or ancic
     
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    Not really...He overpowers them and bullies them around the court into an unforced error submission...He is super athletic but I'm not sure I would call that intelligent tennis
     
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    What?? You think a tennis player is intelligent because he can speak multiple languages :confused:

    Fed is an intelligent player, but its not because he can speak 4 languages!
     
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    blake got in b/c he's pretty smart,and harvard doesn't give sports scholarships. but he doesn't have a law degree, he only went for 2 years before turning pro.
     
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    Err.. you mean he bullied people like: Tsonga, Karlovic, and all those others who weigh more than him and are taller than him - you cannot be serious!
     
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    Must be Roddick.
     
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    On the court, Rafa is much more intelligent than Fed, I agree. Fed is more of an instinctive player. Nadal strategizes very well especially on clay. It's a pleasure to see him construct every point. Nadal is also excellent at changing game plans during a match if something is not working. When a strategy is not working for Fed, he doesn't seem to have the flexibility to adjust.
     
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    You mean he's a ball basher? Absolutely wrong. You should have watched his match this morning, Nadal is a tactician, he has power sure but he also outwits his opponents and he's very good at it.
    Your view of his game is both stereotyped and erroneous.
     
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    I'm not saying he has zero intelligence and just bashes the ball...Ofcourse he uses tactics which is why he is num 1...But as compared to some other players he isn't that great a tactician oncourt...i.e. he relies more on the physical aspect of his game than using tactics...

    You're the one to talk about having a steriotypical and erroneous point of view :roll:
     
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    By bullying I don't mean he overpowers them...maybe bullying was the wrong word...but lets just say he becomes too defensive...esp under pressure

    Not saying its the wrong thing to do...I mean it has got him 6 GS so far so obviously its working for him...
     
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    Many of the European languages are so similar though. If you can speak Spanish, it is not too much of a stretch to understand Italian, Portuguese and even French. English is actually quite similar to German. The Scandinavian languages are very similar. The Balkan languages tend to be similar, same with a lot of the Baltic languages.
     
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    This thread has nothing to do with intellectualism which and has nothing to do with how many languages you speak or how many degress you have or how good your court sense is.

    Intelligent and intellectual are not the same thing and most of these posts have nothing to do with being an intelellectual.
     
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    Roddick can cipher the 4 times table
     
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    Yes, I'm the one. I don't see anything stereotyped in my view. Nadal does panic on hard court at times but he's the best thinker out there on both clay and grass by a big margin.
     
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    Ok then I guess we will just have to learn to agree to disagree...do you agree? :)
     
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    Tipsarevic. His reading list consists of russian literature and philosophy.You gotta love this guy!
     
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    reading a dostoyevsky novel and some philosophy makes you intellectual? does nobody read for pleasure any more these days, so that reading something a little beyond the norm makes you an intellectual?!

    he seems like a cool guy, but i'd love to know what he actually thinks about "beauty will save the world". are we talking about the best on-court thinker here, or someone who's got a few degrees and had a few books published?
     
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    r we talking on court or off court?
     
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    I hear you. The thread is about intellectualism and bringing up Rafael Nadal into this conversation just makes me laugh.
    Most players will have to focus on their tennis career, playing tennis at this level is almost a contradiction with being an intellectual, at least a full time one. Intellectuals make a living from their intellect. I’d say Wojtek Fibak could fit the description, there are better examples maybe among past generations when tennis was not a full time job.
     
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    from an unbiased view, i see nothing brilliant about Rafas point production. Hes a hustler, a worker and a physical specimen, but hes not an Einstein on the court. His strategy is to simply outlast, which with his body conditioning is gonna be hard to overcome. Rafa fans dont get upset, im only speaking the truth. You cant really think hes the smarter player, without bias, really?

    when it comes to being intelligent

    several names come to mind

    MURRAY would be the first person i think of and im no Murray fan at all. He lacks in so many departments on the physical side, his strokes are nothing ground breaking but he constructs points very very well.

    BLAKE of course for having a 1250+ SAT and grades of nothing below a 94 at harvard law.

    Davydenko can be considered, not becuase he constructs points but applies great deals of trickery in his game at all times. Attack when they think your weak type thing.
     
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    thinker?? he is one who doesnt give up, not one who strategizes his way to victory.

    explain to me how one can be a better thinker on one surface but not another. your reference stands good ground if your talking about clay court knowledge but not overall tennis intellect.

    a great thinker, isnt hampered by surface. as for the lack of panic, thats what got him the title mental toughness, not tennis' greatest thinker.
     
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    weight has nothing to do with athletic conditioning., yes the smaller guy CAN and will many times bully the larger player.
    afterall, its not WWE Wrestling. Rafas fanbois are running wild in this thread.

    Fed bullies Roddick every match amirite?
     
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    Here in Spain we don't really speak many languages, you know. Spanish as mothertongue and then maybe (just maybe) english (not better than Nadal) to be able to buy food when abroad :D (thats a little hype, but we spanish people began to talk hype millions of years ago), and that's just for younger people who ought to learn some foreing language at High School. Most people here are able to manage just speaking spanish.

    I guess what you said is strictly true just in some coutries, as to say Switzerland ("transitional country"), Germany (heavy problems with the rest of the world back in the 40s made them not very chauvinistic people), and most of eastern Europe. Not France, not Italy, neither UK. Either way, when you speak a romance language, it is easier to learn others. For spanish people, being able to communicate in italian, takes no more than a month. For people speaking catalan, french is easy as cake too.
     
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    You're wrong, the surface makes a difference. Clay slows down the rallies, which is why you have more time to think about where to put the ball on the court. Nadal is a master at constructing points, a ball basher like Blake or even Roddick will not succeed on clay.
     
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    Actually it's not a very convincing argument. Switzerland has 4 official languages (German, French, Italian and Romansh), so everybody there is used to speaking several languages, it's no big deal, pretty normal.
     
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    Nadal is appointed to win a NObel in Physics.. or was that Nadal Freak...? one of them is... wich one came up with the variable mass of a traveling object theory!...
     
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    thats only because of their footwork, not their brains..

    come on your smarter than this. rafa is not an einstein, please dont pursue this argument
     
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    Not really, it depends where you are based in Switzerland, each part of the country speak the language from the country they are close to. West is french, south is italian and so on.
     
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    Of course he's not Einstein, no tennis player is but Rafa uses his brain as much as his footwork to construct points. We can agree to disagree if you want, no point in repeating the same posts over and over again.
     
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    The dictionary: Intellect: a power of thinking and reasoning. I would say a great many top sportsman would be in this catergory. Nadal has often said it is not his body that tires so much as his brain during strenuous matches
     
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    Sure but they're more exposed to languages than others. Almost all Swiss speak several regardless of where they're based.
     
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    Have you ever been to Switzerland?

    Last time I went to the west (french part) and they spoke french and swiss-german, not Italian and German aswell. Perhaps you think its easy to speak 4 languages. :confused:

    I stick with my point, you must be intellectual to speak several languages fluently.
     
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    Nadal/Murray are the smartest players on court just because Federer speaks various different languages doesn't make him an intelligent tennis player.
     
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    tennis pl@net ranks top players in different categories

    Here are the No. 1 tennis players in different categories:

    Smartest: James Blake (went to freaking Harvard. Any questions?)

    Handsome: Roddick?

    Beautiful: Anna Chakvetadze.

    Strongest: Safin.

    Talented: Federer.

    Muscular: Nadal.

    Popular: Federer.

    Well-dressed: Roddick.

    Worst-dressed: Justine.

    Need a face transplant: Stepanek.

    Broadest forehead: Hingis.

    Manly: Safin.

    Hated: Sharapova.

    High tennis IQ: Federer and Djokovic.

    Hardest worker: Davydenko.

    Passionate: Hewitt and Nadal.

    Angry young man: Safin.

    Most likely to succeed: Djokovic.


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