the novak djokovic club

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  1. Noelan

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    At this boards- tennis.If you can only do the same ,please.
     
  2. Edgecrusher

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    Seles moved in the 90s to the USA. That´s all. No big deal. No political background. A lot of people (especially professional sportspeople) leave their countries regardless of the politcal circumstances in their home countries.
     
  3. BlueB

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    Because you are clueless... In Yugoslavia, you were a citizen of the Federation by being a citizen of a Republic. So, Seles was of Hungarian minority, a citizen of Serbia and a citizen of Yugoslavia. As far as nationality goes, one was allowed to declare as he pleased. You could have been a Hungarian, a Serbian, a Croatian, a Yugoslavian, a Martian...
     
  4. 5555

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    Yugoslavia was a federation. Serbia was a state in that federation.
     
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    All I'm saying is that both Nole and Seles were born and raised in Serbia.
     
  6. 5555

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    sam_p, you've lost the argument.
     
  7. sam_p

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    Didn't know there was an argument :)

    Show me a picture of Seles' Serbian passport...until then, you've lost the argument (that I didn't even know was going on!).
     
  8. 5555

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    No, I have not.

    Burden of proof is on you. You've stated it's a fact that Monica Seles was never a citizen of Serbia. Prove it.
     
  9. sam_p

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    LMFAO why would I have to do that? It is a fact, I don't have any responsibility to prove anything to you...
     
  10. 5555

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    Can you prove it?

    Yes, you have. You've made an allegation of fact.
     
  11. sam_p

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    You are quite entertaining...but I couldn't give a rat's a** about your fact opinion trolling game.
     
  12. 5555

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    sam_p, you've lost the argument.
     
  13. sam_p

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    Remind me which argument again?

    Where is your picture of Seles' Serbian passport? The onus of proof was on you with your original statement....
     
  14. 5555

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    Argument whether it's a fact that Monica Seles was never a citizen of Serbia.

    You've stated it's a fact that Seles was never a citizen of Serbia. That's an allegation of fact so you have the responsibility to provide the proof.

    My original statement was "Tennis legends born and raised in Serbia, Novak Djokovic and Monica Seles...".
     
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  15. sam_p

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    If you claim that Monica Seles was a citizen of Serbia, the onus is on you.

    I have no reason or responsibility to prove anything to you ever.
     
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    In my original statement I did not talk whether Seles was a citizen of Serbia. I merely stated that she was born and raised in Serbia which is a fact. Serbia existed as entity in the period between 1973-1986 and Seles was born and raised in that entity. Following my original statement you started a different subject. You stated it's a fact that Seles was never a citizen of Serbia and I say it is not a fact. So, argument here is whether something is a fact or not and burden of proof is on person who claims that something is a fact (yourself) not person who denies it (myself).
     
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  17. sam_p

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    Is this according to "The Manual of FactOpinion Trolling"? Are you referring to the 3rd or 4th edition? There were some changes...

    Still waiting for you to disprove my statement that Seles was a citizen of Yugoslavia and then of the US from 1994 (according to her online bio).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Seles


    Tick, tock, tick, tock
     
  18. FreeBird

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    Your posts on this thread are more than us Djokovic fans. Hence you are officially inducted as a member of this club. :lol:
     
  19. sam_p

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    I am honored! I need a T-shirt :)
     
  20. FreeBird

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    Sorry, it is sold out. Srdan Djokovic purchased all of them for the extended family so that they could wear it in Novak's matches. You can have our SOG's afro wig though. :mrgreen:
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  21. vladap

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    gotta give it to sam p
    his obsession with Djokovic is borderline fanatism
     
  22. sam_p

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    Do they sell a merkin in that style?
     
  23. 5555

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    The fact that Seles was a citizen of Yugoslavia does not prove she was not a citizen of Serbia as well, so I did not need to disprove anything.

    "A citizen of the Socialist Republic of Serbia is, at the same time, a citizen of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" http://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6b4d54.html

    The Wikipedia entry of John McEnroe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_mcenroe mentions only "United States". Does it prove that he is not a citizen of New York?

    "The United States has a federal system in which a person is a citizen of their specific state of residence, such as New Jersey or California, as well as citizen of the United States."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship#Subnational_citizenship
     
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  24. sam_p

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    So, you should be able to find proof of her citizenship. I will accept a Photocopy of her Serbian passport, it doesn't need to be an official notarized copy...till then, waiting patiently.
     
  25. FreeBird

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    Nope, they don't sell it. But if you are really longing for one, you can ask Nadal camp for that. :lol:
     
  26. 5555

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    The burden of proof is on you (I explained why in the post #166). If you claim the Wikipedia entry of Monica Seles proves it's a fact that she was never a citizen of Serbia, answer the question from my previous post:

    Is the Wikipedia entry of John McEnroe the proof that he is not a citizen of New York?
     
  27. 5555

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    sam_p, you've lost the argument.
     
  28. sam_p

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    FactOpinionBot has short circuit.

    Gonna be a tough year for Djokovic trolls, time to come up with a new routine!
     
  29. 5555

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    I won. It feels damn good.
     
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  30. sam_p

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    Sorry, you lost the argument. Still no proof of Serbian citizenship for Seles.

    Still waiting...
     
  31. 5555

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    No, I did not.

    The burden of proof is on you (I explained why in the post #166). You must prove it's a fact that Monica Seles was never a citizen of Serbia.
     
  32. sam_p

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    Nope, not true. Burden of proof is on you. Sorry, that is a fact. Since I don't care what the answer is, I bear no burden whatsoever. My statement stands as fact unless you refute it with facts - ie Seles Serbian passport demonstrating she was a Serbian citizen.
     
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    Absolutely hilarious! :lol: :lol:
     
  34. 5555

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    You've commited logical fallacy ad ignorantiam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

    Can you refute my argument in the post #166 which supports my claim that the burden of proof is on you?

     
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    Will you rip off your shirt and beat your chest like an ape in celebration?
     
  36. sam_p

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    Already refuted ALL of your arguments, sorry, reread the thread. Study it. Memorize it.

    Find the passport or go away.
     
  37. 5555

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    In which post (quote the number) did you refute the argument that I made in the post #166?
     
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    Come on guys this is getting silly! :roll:
     
  39. Nickzor

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    Count me in on this club! Djokovic is an amazing player, when he was at the top he had a presence only rivaled by Federer in my opinion, Great mental strength, stamina, speed, consistency and a whole bunch of other things, Djoker 2.0 come back soon please
     
  40. sam_p

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    I metaphysically refuted all of your arguments in every post.

    I have a religious objection to rereading this ridiculous thread. Are you asking me to break my religious vow? If so, I will warn you that I will report you for religious persecution...
     
  41. 5555

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    sam_p, you've lost the argument yet again.
     
  42. PSNELKE

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    What kind of an argument is this? So what if Seles was born in the Socialist Autonomous Province of Vojvodina?? That doesn't make her Serbian. If anything she was a Yugoslav, not Serbian. Ethnically she's Hungarian anyway.
     
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    The argument currently going on in this thread :mrgreen:

    [​IMG]
     
  44. sam_p

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    Exactly, and the point that I made about a week ago. She became a US citizen in 1994 and has never been a citizen of Serbia.
     
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    Are you saying it's a fact that Seles was never a citizen of Serbia?

    You have not provided proof it's a fact she was never a citizen of Serbia.
     
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    You guys should go work for immigration services and shut up already.

    What's up Novak fans? How you feelin about your boy's game?
     
  47. tennisfan17

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    Djokovic was the first player I ever saw play back in 2012 and ever since then I've loved his game. He is my favorite player! And even though he hasn't been at his top game lately, I think his game is still great :)
     
  48. Stanimal

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    Got to agree he can be really fun to watch... especially when he's stretching like Spider-Man getting to every ball!

    His game isn't in tons of danger like a lot of people here seem to think; it's just there's a healthy Fed again, a recovered/recovering Nadal, and I would say improvement throughout the entire men's game that's going to make wins a real accomplishment this year, whether it's in a GS, 1000, 500, or even some 250s.
    I hope he can continue to make it into the QF+ rounds of tourneys, because his matches against the top guys are always so intense
     
  49. sam_p

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    Obviously that is what I am saying because it's true, and you haven't provided proof she was. Seles was a citizen of Yugoslavia and then the US from 1994. Why is that do you think? Have ethnic minorities been treated well in Serbia? I doubt she feels any allegiance to the Serbian republic as it stood in 1994 or the several years after when they were a thugocracy.
     
  50. Martin J

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    Don't be ridiculous, please.
    She was the most loved female athlete here in Serbia, which cannot be said for Croatia (actually, they were supporting, at least by their medias, Steffi Graf at the start of conflict between ex Yugoslav republics, just because she was born in Serbia...anyways, political ********, as always).

    By the way, since 1992, Yugoslavia was basically Serbia (and only a small part of it was Montenegro), although its name remained the same until 2002.
     

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