The NTRP levels of College Tennis Teams

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  1. Igrac

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    I was wondering what the average NTRP is for the players in D1 schools as well as some JC's

    Does anyone know what NTRP level you wold need to be to play on a Junior College Team. i.e. Glendale Community College

    also what NTRP are the players in the California teams like

    USC, UCLA and UC Berkeley?
     
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  2. 10isDad

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    Not trying to be rude, but if you use the Search tool, you'll find this topic discussed ad nauseum.

    The bottom line: there probably isn't a figure. D1 schools run the gamut from the elite to schools that are probably so weak that some SoCal high school teams would be competitive with them. The same goes for each division.
     
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  3. papatenis

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    I'm from L.A./socal, I think guys that play on jc and cal states are in the range of 4.5 and up, while guys in the PAC-10 mostly play at the highest level on the NTRP.
     
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    Since my son is still a junior, he's never had an NTRP. Nonetheless, I think I've seen enough to give an estimate (for whatever it's worth). I'd say he's a 6.0; lowest on his college team would be 5.5. He's a freshman at D1 midmajor.

    Keep in mind that there's a wide spread. I've seen some college players at some D1 schools that are maybe as low as 4.5. The key tennis states (CA, FL, TX, GA) are going to have a lot more high-rated juniors becoming college players in those same states.

    So, don't bank too much on the NTRP.
     
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  5. tennismom42

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    "ad nauseum" LOL. I hope they add that to Webster's Dictionary.
     
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    "ad nauseum" is what I have when a dinker is beating me at match point.
     
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    You can look up the bios of the top players at Stanford, USC, and UCLA (I never tried for Berkeley). These players are semi-pros, often with international experience and ATP points.
     
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    Yes, I posted a thread about the University of Oklahoma getting a player ranked around 907 on the ATP rankings. So I'm guessing he would be around a 7.0.
     
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  9. goran_ace

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    NTRP's are irrelevant. Take a look at the bios on the team roster and look at what their rankings and achievements were as a junior.
     
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    7.0-7.5 or so.
     
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    NTRP's go up to 7.0. Federer would be 7.0. So I doubt a guy from USC is 7.5.
     
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    Federer is 10.0. NTRP should go up to 10.0
     
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  13. Lindsay

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    but they don't......
     
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  14. gokou703

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    wow..i guess i can say that I got a couple W's on some 7.0-7.5 ntrp women lol... awesome
     
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    If you look at the NTRP rating's guide, it has nothing to do with how well you strike the ball. It has to do with you ability to hit all shots from all court positions and use strategy as you are rated higher. Many pros cannot hit an assortment of shots. Many cannot use strategy (Ginepre) . But they strike the ball better and move much better than teaching pros. Ergo, NTRP ratings are meaningless.
     
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    lol you tell federer he is 7.0, he is gonna laugh at you, Grand Slam winners are off the amateur charts
     
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    Federer wouldn't even know what a 7.0 is. Why would he know the U.S. amateur number system? In switzerland, the numbers go lower as one gets better.
     
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    fedace stop taking drugs, u know what they do to u
     
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    Truth. My impression is that nobody actually uses NTRP ratings until they're 30. Well, post-college at least.

    I played a good level of tennis in the 80s and 90s. As a 30+ yr old, I've beaten some D2 kids pretty handily. I have a big serve and I've had trouble holding serve against some DI kids. Now, I'm positive I'd lose to some of the top DIII kids who would do fine in DI or 2. It's a good level out there, depending on the program. I'm guessing college kids range from 4.5 all the way up to almost the world-class/tour level.
     
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    I guess you missed the fact that the laughter was over the spelling mistake, ad nauseum versus ad nauseam.
     
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  22. BreakPoint

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    The NTRP scale only goes up to 7.0, but I agree that Federer is a 10.0 on a scale of 1.0 to 7.0. ;)
     
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    i would say at a mid-low tier division 1 team its 5.5. I know a kid whose part of a D1 college team thats lowly ranked. I know another kid who was recruited by Stanford and Georgia and he was ranked top 50 in the country when he graduated high school so I'm assuming he's a 6.5 or so. he straight setted the kid above about 6-0 6-1.

    the 6.0ish guy is a huge big hitter. Hits 120mph serves and has a killer forehand. Never played a match on him but he kicked my best friend's butt and we're both 4.5-5.0.

    probably also helps that he's well above 6'5''.
     
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    Generally:

    a 7.0 player is a player with earnings greater than expenses.

    A 6.5 is someone who is on the tour, but doesn't earn enough to cover expenses.

    As the USTA guidlines say, 6.0 is someone ranked above #400 as well as ITA Div 1 ranked college players.

    All Division I guys are considered 5.5 or better
     
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  26. J_R_B

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    5.5 is the minimum self-rating for D1 players, but so what? NTRP ratings are meaningless for these guys anyway. In reality, guys at the top major conference schools (like the Isners and Johnsons and Devvarmans...) are 6.5-7.0, ready for the tour. Most rank and file guys on these teams are 5.5-6.0 (IOW, still too good for USTA league...). Once you get down into lower teams and mid-majors, there are no more aspiring pros, and the top guys are high 5.5 type players. The rank and file players are more like 5.0-caliber and some even lower. There is one guy around here who plays doubles only for a weak mid major school who plays 4.0 league in the summer. Really, he could compete at 4.5, but he's definitely not higher than that.
     
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    Here's a list of the league ratings for the team that won the "Open" National title last year.

    Player Name NTRP Player Name NTRP Player Name NTRP
    Jeffrey Appel 5.5 Kaes Van't Hof 6.5 Adam El Mihdawy 7
    Stephen Bass 6.5 Jason Pinsky 6 Mariusz Adamski 6
    Cory A. Parr 6.5 Todd F. Paul 6.5


    Match for National - National Championship

    Date Match Played:10/30/2011 Date Scheduled:10/30/2011 Last Modified:11/1/2011
    Match Home Team:Eastern NYAC Nationals
    Team ID:***** Vs. Visiting Team:Intermo Pop
    Team ID:***** 3rd Set Tie-break
    #1 Singles Adam El Mihdawy Completed

    Vs. vicente Jose joli

    7-6 7-6
    #1 Doubles Kaes Van't Hof Jason Pinsky
    Completed
    Vs. Clancy Shields Luke Shields

    4-6 0-6
    #2 Doubles Cory A. Parr Todd F. Paul
    Completed

    Vs. Thomas Schoeck Leif Meineke

    6-4 5-7 1-0
     
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