*****THE OFFICIAL HEAD PRO TOUR 630/280 Club*************

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Pro_Tour_630, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. Dexter

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    Hey Voltron

    It is the exact same racquet.

    Ask the seller if it is Austrian Made or China Made. I`ve heard the Chinese verssion is way heavier.
    I got a Chinese model out of internet and is actually being shipped to me, so I`ll try it myself and compare VS Austrian

    Hope I was of help
     
  2. Dexter

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    Hey Voltron

    It is the exact same racquet.

    Ask the seller if it is Austrian Made or China Made. I`ve heard the Chinese verssion is way heavier.
    I got a Chinese model out of internet and is actually being shipped to me, so I`ll try it myself and compare VS the Austrian model. Nevertheless the mold is the same and composition too.

    Hope I was of help
     
  3. JediMindTrick

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    Bloody hell, it got to $330 already!
     
  4. zidane339

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    hmm, just recieved my pro tour 280 today. on the throat it sids "designed in austria", but on the buttcap it says "china". where is it made?
     
  5. zidane339

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    also, i would like to cap it. what prestige caps fit?
     
  6. blackfrido

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    made in china
     
  7. Voltron

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    Yeah, it's Austrian made. I would be getting it from a friend of mine, so I'll get to hit with it before I buy it, that is assuming that "excellent condition" means the same to him as it does to me. :lol:
     
  8. Dexter

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    Goof lick with it and welcome to the PT280 family
     
  9. Mike Cottrill

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    Hi Vik,
    Did you get this sorted? Who do you have working on your sticks?
     
  10. zidane339

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    Wow, hit with PT 280 today and I now know what you guys are talking about. You can actually feel the ball sinking into the stringbed, and just plowing through the ball. It absolutely manhandles the ball!
     
  11. Ross K

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    the caps are staying on!

    Okay... played a set with the PT 630 yesterday and it played so solid and all around imposing - (serve was very nice balance of power and control, fh was booming, ditto my recently misfiring 2hbh ) - I think I might just drop the notion of removing the full caps.

    For me, TBH, it is a tiny bit too heavy/slow, and I wouldn't say 'no' to a smidgeon of improved menouverability. But I don't want to negatively effect the wonderful oomph, authority and the qualities listed before - hence I'm therefore now holding back on the removal of the caps.

    As tends to be the way, there is a trade off, and I think I might just have to accept my menouverability issues for the sake of a solid and powerful serve, booming groundies w/control, etc, etc.
     
  12. Vik

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    Mike - Sort of. They were able to get 1 grommet on and strung (it took a lot of elbow grease) Something was definitely off w/ the racquet/grommet. The other is still unstrung.

    I take them to HTC. Normally do a good job I guess, but last time was horrific. Wrong strings were used in one racquet, grommet trouble w/ the other two, late, etc.
     
  13. Mike Cottrill

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    Hi Vik,
    I do not know any of they guys at HTC. Unless there is something “odd” with that frame or grommets you received, the LM or MG prestige C.A.P grommets should work. Sometimes you have to “use some tricks” to get them installed. The grommets can be stiff and it may appear they will not fit. Do you know if they heated the grommets? Have you put your frames on top of each other and looked to see if they look “close” the same? I have not played at B.E. on the weekends in quite awhile. Where are you playing these days? If you like, I can take a look at it some time. Just let me know.

    I’m surprised they did not redo your frame with the correct strings for you..
     
  14. 18gauge

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    Question for PT630 or vsbabolat:

    A guy says he has PT630's that say Designed in Austria above the grip (on the flat part). Do you know anything about these? Thx
     
  15. vsbabolat

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    Hi and welcome to the forum!!:)

    The Pro Tour 630 that have Designed in Austria above the grip like in this photo of a PC600.
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    It means that it was made in Austria and finished in the Czech Republic.
     
  16. 18gauge

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    Thanks! On both counts...
     
  17. AlpineCadet

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    A dollar per cm^2. Seems fair to me. ;)
     
  18. rorschack

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    Hey guys, help me out here. I'm not getting it. I am trying to match my sticks.

    I have 3 PT280 (austrian) and 1 PT630 ("Made in Austria" printed on the beam like the PT280) This PT630 came originally WITHOUT CAP; and is also as stiff as my PT280's. It's definitely stiffer than the "regular" PT630 with CAP, which are very flexible sticks. I also have 3 "regular" PT630 ("made in Austria" printed above the grip) so I know.

    Anyway, I have the same grommet on the PT280's and this PT630. Static weight, unstrung and/or strung, is about 2 grams different which I think is negligible. Balance point is almost identical.

    Now, for some reason, this PT630 swings noticeably heavier and slower than my PT280's. I can even match the static weight and balance point to be exactly the same, but the PT630 always swings heavier.

    So, in theory, if you have two sticks with similar static weight and balance point, shouldn't the swing weight be similar also? I don't get it! Help!
     
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  19. AlpineCadet

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    What's funny is that the frame was bought for 630 DOLLARS + shipping. Again, that's crazy!
    Hmm, so what's holding up that sweetspot? :confused:
     
  20. rorschack

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    Another interesting observation with regards to my PT280 racquet matching question.

    With the 3 PT280 I have, even if the strung weight and balance point are somewhat different, they still swing exactly the same in terms of swing speed and path....

    For a while, I tried to match my "regular" CAP PT630 with the PT280, no matter what I did, they never swing similarly.

    I'm at a point of giving up on racquet matching! <scratch head>
     
  21. AlpineCadet

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    They are so rare to find, I would be surprised if you were able to match two of them from a random collection of 280's/630's. I'm hunting down a semi-rare frame myself, and am beginning to think I should just switch to the latest model so I can have at least two of them perfectly matched.
     
  22. tandayu

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    I agree with you findings, and maybe VSBabolat able to give some insights to this. More twaron? Different lay-up?

    I feel the Pt630 (made in Austria on side beam, with bumper guard) has more similar characcteristics with PC600/PP600. It feels more stable and inertia than the PT280.
     
  23. rorschack

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    I concur with half of what you're saying above. I've said it before in this "short" thread :) that the stiffer PT630 ( Austria on side beam) AND the PT280 (Austria) are basically the mid plus version of the classic Prestige Pro 600 (red fading to brown) in terms of flex, "solidity", and inertia. I have a couple of PP600 and the unstrung spec are almost identical.

    But, how can the material/layup affect the way it swings? It would only affect the FEEL. Swing is affected by the shape, weight and balance of the racquet.
     
  24. tandayu

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    I have no idea at this point....a friend has two Pj PT57a, same flex rating, similar weight, same string set up, same balance point, however one feels more crisp at impact than the other
     
  25. rorschack

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    well, maybe one is older than the other thus crisper for the fresher one?

    for me, it's the swing speed and maneuverability that is bugging me with the PT630 (Made in Austria on the side beam) which I'm trying to match with my PT280's.

    at impact, I like them all...
     
  26. OnyxZ28

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    Hm, I noticed this too, my 1st gen PT630 swings similarly to a Trisys 260 MP, heavier than the PT280s and subsequent 630s.
     
  27. rorschack

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    Just to note that the sticks I mentioned above are all NON CAP. I even made them lighter by using the LM Radical MP grommet, which is the lightest of all.

    Onyxz28, are yours CAPed? Even if you match the spec of this first gen PT630 to the PT280, it still freaking swings heavier! I don't get it!

    I've recently moved away from heavy or high swing weight setup. With around 7 or 8 point head light and 343g or 12oz strung static weight, my serve and one handed backhand are just so much better. Yet, the racquet is still very stable. I feel like I have complete control of the racquet with this setup.

    On the side note, string setup is: natty gut main (16 or 17g) @ 52 / poly cross (cyberflash 1.20) @ 50.

    nice! :)
     
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  28. OnyxZ28

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    Nope, both are bone stock, down to their OEM grips. I should clarify that by "1st gen PT630" i mean the Made in Austria on beam trek font PT630, not the CAP'd ones. I do have one Trisys 260 that the previous owner installed i.Prestige CAPS on, and that thing unstrung swings heavier than a strung, stock PT280, lol.

    What's the weight difference between the normal grommets and the LM rad ones? Does the overhang bother you? I have a Chinese pT280 with Ti.Rad grommets and the bumper sticks out ever so slightly, but it drives me nuts.
     
  29. rorschack

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    I don't even notice the LM Rad grommet sticking out too much at all. In fact, it protects the frame better. You shave about an extra 5 grams off of the LM Rad grommet vs the normal one. And of course, shave off even more vs the i.Prestige MP XL CAPed, and then even some more off of the full CAP!

    As for "1st gen" PT630 that are non CAP, these have the "Made in Austria" printed on the side beam right? The later ones have it printed above the grip.
     
  30. OnyxZ28

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    Intriguing. IIRC the LM Rad bumper also has ridges on it too right?
     
  31. rorschack

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    that is correct.

    I tried basically all the grommets and CAP that could possibly fit on the PT280. :)

    Listing from heaviest to lightest:
    LM Prestige - Full CAP.
    I.Prestige XL - "semi" CAP
    "Normal" grommet that is identical to OEM
    and finally LM Radical grommet
     
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  32. Pleepers

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    Any idea if the MG Prestige MP is the same as the LM Prestige MP?
     
  33. rorschack

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    I have no idea but thought about trying it out. Why don't you buy a set, only $5 bucks, weigh it, and let us know. :)

    I'm would speculate that it would fit the PT280.
     
  34. s7evin

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    ^ is that a typo or you have approximately 23 ProTours
     
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  35. bossass

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    Another new PT280 goes on the bay for ridiculous price. $355. 160262910930.

    Man I wish they would bring this racket back. I guess the one that went on the bay was Made In Austria. Is the difference between the china's and austria's so great to warrant such a high price? Or was it just the fact it was new with plastic on the handle. I wonder how much a new, with plastic, china would go for? I'd love to have either new, but I guess I'm content with picking up used china's for around $100. I do have one Austria PT280 coming in the mail. I hope the diff. isn't amazing and I'll be ruined for the china's, cause I got a pretty good backstock of them now.

    Another thing I'm confused about is why the PT280/630 all of a sudden seems to be more popular on the resale market than the PC600? Even the "Designed in Austria" PC600s are basically made in Austria, so they are basically all good. I thought the PC600 (and all previous incarnations) was way more thought of as "holy grail" than the PT280/630. Guess not. I guess I made the same evolution (pc600 to pt280). The PT is just an easier stick to handle.

    Another question: Why is the Microgel Prestige Mid Plus such a dud? Is it not the exact same frame mold as the PT280? What gives, why isn't it better? I bought one, which had a nice string setup already in it (Big Ace/Maxim T hybrid) and it felt real "boardy".
     
  36. tandayu

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    The PT630 & PT280 is very rare on eb*y, and usually you get a racket from multiple owners.

    If you already have many CHinese PT280, there is no need to spend money to buy the Austrian PT280. There is also variance among Austrian PT280 and PT630.

    On Microgel P...wait until the next Prestige model come up.....the microgel price will downfall...look at LM price, new for $99, no buyer.
     
  37. s7evin

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    ^Yeah wait for about 4 years...:)
     
  38. Pleepers

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    To be quite honest...I think this thread has contributed to the, "recent mystique" of the PT 630/280, also is the fact that a lot of pros are playing with the mold/pj of it, and the fact that the PC600 is ridiculosly hard to play with compared to the PT.

    As far as MG Prestige is concerned...materials man...materials. While I like the dampened feel of the MG family, it still doesn't compare to the whole Twaron days of old. Something about the flex and feel of these frames is uncanny and hard to let go. I just which there were more of them around.

    Head should really take note in the fact that people are paying $300+ on the auction site for these frames. There's really no excuse anymore for the execs at Head to think that remaking these classic sticks will be cost prohibited--especially considering the trends of the market. Will everyone buy a PT 630? No. But the die hards will likely buy 6-12 of these frames if Head sticks to the original formula. Cheers! :)
     
  39. rorschack

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    Pleepers, can you spell "twaron"? :) I have not done my research, but if you want to mass produce these PT280/630, you better load up on the Twaron which is probably pretty expensive now aday, considering the cost of crude oil and all commodities.

    Even if Head can get a supply of twaron, would people spend $300 bucks for the PT280? It's an awesome sticks and all, but only the tennis nuts would buy it and the market is tiny! Bottom line is they ain't going to make a profit.

    Look, I love the PT280 (playing with it now), but I would not spend $300 bucks for a new stick or any stick! I'd rather buy a bunch of used one for $100 bucks. I don't care if the sticks becomes weak and sheesh...I can't tell the difference and I'm not a pro making a living at Tennis. I have a stick or two with the graphite scraped off at the head, but they still play just as good as the near perfect conditioned ones.
     
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  40. rorschack

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    Yo AC, that's a good price dude! :) It's not brand stinkin new, so you should be happy that you got that price.

    It's like buying a brand new car. Once you drive it off the dealer lot, it instantly becomes used!
     
  41. vsbabolat

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    ^^^
    What you guys are forgetting is HEAD is still producing thousands of racquets in Kennelbach for the Pros on Tour every year.
     
  42. Sean Dugan

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    $630 for a new Austrian 280 did seem a bit much. The buyer must have really wanted the racket to bid it up so high. ( One always wonders how much shill bidding takes place given the anonymous bidding on the bay now. That could have been a driving factor. ) I thought the racket would probably sell in the $300 range and was somewhat shocked to see it go for that much. The fact the seller has no feedback didn't even seem to be a factor. On occasion, bidders act in irrational ways. That auction seems to be an anomaly/outlier as evidenced by the other new one which sold this week for around $350. The $630 racket had been strung so one has to question its true virginity. Unless feedback is posted, you can't even be sure the deal went through and that the seller got paid. I've seen rackets "sell" on the bay only to be relisted a few weeks later because the buyer flaked.

    A truly brand new 280 is very rare and is a collector's item. Collectible rackets will always sell at a substantial premium. $300 for a new, never hit with, never strung 280 with grip wrapper in place doesn't seem all that out of line given what used ones in mint condition sometimes sell for. Look what people pay for rare baseball cards or Shaker chairs or Van Gogh's or St Vincent's. Collectors place much higher valuation on certain items than you or I would.

    Around 2001, before the 280 became more popular, I bought two slightly used 280's on the bay from a guy in Torrington, CT for $39.99 total for both! I was the only bidder and they were both 9/10 range. Those days are gone.

    Paint job rackets are a different category, also collectible, and usually sell for a much higher price than made for consumer 280's. Someone recently was selling a 280 that had been spray painted black as a paint job racket. I found that rather amusing. The funniest auction I ever saw on the bay was around 2000. Someone was selling a smashed Adidas GTX claiming it had been smashed by Lendl himself. Absolutely no proof was offered and he was asking about $300 if memory serves.
     
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  43. bossass

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    Does the china PT280 even use Twaron? I'd be happy with a rerelease of the "lesser" of the 280/630 frames.
     
  44. Pleepers

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    If you haven't done your research...then get cracking:) It's not any more expensive than kevlar, and kevlar is still widely used in Wilson and Babolat frames.

    Who said frames would have to be $300. I'm sure they could sell them a little more than the current retail price of the MG series prestige frames and cover their cost easily. And even if the market is tiny, the tiny market will likely buy multiple frames--making up the difference. And even if the market is small...they don't have to produce massive quantities at first. This is what "test marketing" is all about. Lastly, marketing itsself would also create a buzz for those who are not in the know. There's no way you'll ever convince me that bringing back the original PT 630/280 is a bad idea--for players or Head.

    Good for you. But you fail to realize that these frames are not going for $100 anymore; which was the point of my earlier post. Who knows...maybe it would be nice to know that you could go down to your local tennis store and pickup some replacement PTs before the graphite is completely warn through?
     
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  45. Pleepers

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    I think so. If it says "Integrated Dampening System" on the frame--then I believe this means it has Twaron. I think VSbabolat or Pro_Tour_630 would know this better than me.
     
  46. Pro_Tour_630

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    Sean, it shows very low class of you to show your face on a PT630/280 club since you can not tell the difference between any of them so please leave this club and thread, it is of no interest to you.
     
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  47. Pro_Tour_630

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    I gave yours away to a close friend of mine, it was mint, probably the biggest $630 gift I have given to someone outside of the family :evil:
     
  48. Richie Rich

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    i guess i'm glad i kept my new 630 with the LM PJ then.
     
  49. rorschack

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    I don't have to pick up any more because once the grommet wears out, just replace it for $5 bucks.
     
  50. tandayu

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    I just replaced the pallet on one austrian PT 280, and one PT630 (star trek font), They both has the red foam which is the IDS with shock absorption material ultrasorb.
     

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