*****THE OFFICIAL HEAD PRO TOUR 630/280 Club*************

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Pro_Tour_630, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. Ross K

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    Hi there Jay,

    Well, I was meaning lead tips as regards my new 280 and not my older 630, which I wouldn't lead up because it's already hefty enough, although... ("DRAMATIC PAUSE.") actually a strange thing happened just yesterday...

    With a bit of time on my hands, I had a rare chance to go over my fave frames and check for regripping, adding/removing lead and generally taking a look at and sorting out. So when I turned my attentions to the 630, it was with a certain casual attitude that I thought I may as well take off the grip that had been in place for a pretty long time... O... M... G!... :eek:

    When I had the thing off I was dumbstruck by just how really really chunky it was. And on seeing that, I stuck a thin overgrip on it and... lo and behold... a few hours later when I had the opportunity to hit for a bit - long-standing PT 630 maneuverability issues gone!!!

    Yep, I know... dear oh dear... :oops:

    Suffice to say, with the 630 now playing akin to the first time I ever used it (no wonder I was remembering it differently?!), I'm suddenly having to revise my thoughts a bit... it's amazing how much difference a chunky, thick grip can make in terms of swinging.

    R.

    BTW, I take on board what you say re the 280, Duraflex @ 58 lbs, and giving it time to loosen... (TBH, it does actually feel a tad tight... as a 1st time DF user though, I do like it.)
     
  2. jayserinos99

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    ^ When I have my PTs or my Trek PC600s, I try for consistency in gripping, stringing, etc. I typically have a good stock of Head calfskin grips and use those with 1 overgrip on top. I try to have all my frames have an L3 pallet as well.

    BTW, pallet makes a big difference. I let another poster on these boards try one of my PT630s but with an L2 pallet. He didn't like the lack of maneuverability but he did like the feel and pop coming from the stringbed.

    As for leading a 280, what I did was just add iPrestige CAPs and it swung a tad heavier but not where it ruined the maneuverability. I didn't add lead at all.

    I like DF but for about a few hours. It tends to go south pretty quickly for me and that crisp feel I love from it turns to mush. I haven't used it in a while but I may do a full Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17 job since IMO it's comparable to DF.
     
  3. Ross K

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    Interesting... I admit to not being so clued up re pallets etc and have a less discerning or rigorous attitude than most re gripping generally - although that might change now... I def think I've learnt a useful lesson here...

    For the brief hit I had with my 630 minus the big grip, I found the control, maneuverability and feel all improved and as I kind of remembered it (and there I was before thinking it was string issues...??!!... ) I obviously need to get reacquainted with the rac but, having recently got the 280 as well, I can say that for me the 630 now play & feels much closer to the 280 (as I remember you saying before), albeit IMO the 630 feels more solid, lush and altogether super-smooth.

    R.
     
  4. m1stuhxsp4rk5

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    how is serving with this racket?
     
  5. Pleepers

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    Serves BOMBS!!!
     
  6. Ross K

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    Well... not for everybody... I'd say if you're not advanced level, or if you maybe don't have the most powerful serve, the bombs don't quite explode, if you what I mean?
     
  7. Pro_Tour_630

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    yeah for $700 each :)
     
  8. hyogen

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    i'm loving my new radical tour twin tube 1998 that I just got. had kirschbaum spiky mains 16g and vs touch gut crosses 16g. was too powerful for the most part for me. Not enough spin. a little too trampoliny but i really liked it. felt like a PT280 but maybe a tiny bit more comfortable. so possibly good enough for me or maybe too similar to a PT630 than I'd be able to tell. didn't have that big THWACKing sound that the PT280 did...maybe cuz of strings?

    it looked very very similar to the pt280...i'm guessing exact same mold and I think I read that here somewhere

    I just got a zebra twin tube mp also =D
     
  9. OnyxZ28

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    Thaychua's new 630 went for a pretty penny a few days back, too!
     
  10. jackson vile

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    They are much much cheaper than that, I see them all the time. No more than any other used racket, even seen new ones for $200.
     
  11. tlimster

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    I've been looking to buy one of these rackets for a while now, and now have the opportunity to buy two PT 630s in good condition, which I'm hoping means about 8/10 condition (haven't seen them yet, but that's what the seller says, will see tomorrow; new grommets but there's lead underneath that I might need to remove). For the experts, I have two questions:

    (1) Is $300 a reasonable price for both, or $160 for one? Seems like it is.

    (2) Did PT 630s ever come with a suspension handle? The seller says one is a leather grip and one is cushion. I have not yet had a chance to ask him if the cushion just means the leather grip is switched out or if that means there's a suspension grip on it.

    (3) Are PT 630s an better or worse playability-wise than the PJ 630s that sometimes go for sale on the big auction site? I've seen LM Prestiges that are claimed to be PT57A there occasionally. The MG PT57As are way beyond my price range.

    Thanks ahead of time for any help you could provide.
     
  12. Matmac

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    I'm not an expert, but I have 7 PT630s, 6 of them bought second hand.

    (1) The price is just about reasonable if the racquets are in very good condition, not too scratched and no cracked grommets (unless you want to replace them). I would definitely ask the seller this: who played with them (at what level) and for how long, and base my decision on that.

    (2) I don't think PT630's ever came with a leather grip, so that one must have been swapped. By "cushion" the seller could be referring to the original synthetic grip, I think cushion was part of its name.

    (3) I've never played with a current PT57A, but I understand they are custom made for pros to their specifications, which you might not like at all, so I would prefer a regular PT630.

    And one more thing. There was a lot of variation in the specs of PT630s, so you might want to check if the two you are offered are matched. If not, you could end up with two slightly different sticks, and the difference could be just enough to make you uncomfortable when switching between the two.

    True experts, feel free to correct me.
     
  13. MichaelChang

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    I wanted to ask for some comparison between the PT280 and the other HEAD rackets that share the same mold. Such as the i.Prestige MP, the HEAD radical TT MP, and the original Radical 260MP. I have had all these siblings to the 280, but never had a 280 so I am just wondering how different are they?
     
  14. tlimster

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    Matmac, thanks for the input. I am going to check them out today. We're meeting at a tennis shop so I may ask them to compare the specs for me. It's good to know that cushion, not leather, was the original grip. Cheers.
     
  15. jackson vile

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    Watch ****
     
  16. tandayu

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    Same here...will buy as many as I can afford if it is new (made in the early 90s to mid 90s) at $200/each
     
  17. vsbabolat

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    Hi guys thought I would show you what the HEAD Sports AG Facility looks like in Austria.
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  18. OnyxZ28

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    Scoping it out, eh? I like how you think!
     
  19. jayserinos99

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    ^ So when you get caught and need bail money, I'll be sure to take your Treks and PTs as collateral.
     
  20. Ross K

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    Great work Special Agent Babolat! :)
     
  21. OnyxZ28

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    I'll assemble a crack team called Twaron's 11.
     
  22. vsbabolat

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    I guess I wont post the photos of inside the factory then.:twisted:
     
  23. tlimster

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    So I ended up getting the PT 630s I asked about earlier -- they are a pair, they look to be matched. I purchased them from one of the local club pros, but he never used them, bought them off of ****. He was a satellite pro and used PC600s, then got sponsored by Babolat when he became a club pro, and for whatever reason did not renew and decided to go back to Head rackets even without a sponsorship. He's looking for PC600s but is in the meantime using the Microgel Prestige Pro.

    The PT630s: There is lead underneath the CAP grommets, which are new, at 12 O'Clock. The butt cap on each is the black head butt cap but has 4 numbers stamped into it as well. The seller said he's seen this before, where they lead up at 12 and counterweight in the handle to increase the static weight but keep the headlightness. When crudely balanced against a Fisher M Pro NT (pencil at the throat), they end up around the same place, the racket handles tilting downwards at around roughly 45 degrees. They were unstrung and about 8/10 condition, cosmetic wear but very little frame wear. The grip pallet is not the standard rectangular grip that head rackets come with -- it feels like a Wilson or Prince grip pallet.

    I strung one up with NXT at 55lbs, then took it out on the ball machine and compared it to my standard Pure Storm Tour, which has lead and 3 and 9 and weighs in at around 12.2 oz., and the Fischer M Pro NT which weighs in at less than 12, I think. The PT630 was the most muted, and the Fischer the "crispest." It was a little wet, so I set up the machine for 4 bh, 4 fh, at three different power levels: standard, hard, and setup shots. The PT630 was the best at attacking the setup shots, but it really requires time to set up.

    The PT630 felt great, crushes the ball, but I'm guessing it weighs in at over 13oz., maybe even 14oz. I can't wield this thing for three sets. I'm guessing stock form -- 12.2 oz., would actually be better for me. I can weigh it at my local shop, and if I want them to remove the customization it will cost me about $20.

    The customization is definitely professional. I'm guessing balance is the same as stock and static weight is what changed.

    Am I committing a big no-no remove the customization? My big concern would be that I'm tampering with a "pro" customized racket, since there is a 4 digit serial number stamped into the Head butt cap.

    I'd rather just trade these for stock 280/630s and give someone else the opportunity to play with them if I can't handle the professional customization. I will probably give these a few more tries in matchplay before making a final decision. Any advice would be appreciated.
     
  24. jayserinos99

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    the pt280 serves some bombs. this is without the cap grommets. im curious if you guys recommend it with the caps because if feels a little unstable on groundies. what strings and tension would you guys recommend?
     
  26. jayserinos99

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    you can look at my signature for strings and tension.

    as for adding caps to the 280, i'd suggest adding lead if you really think it's unstable before adding caps. if you're used to hitting with stiffer frames, the 280 may feel unstable b/c of the flexy nature of the frame. imo, i'd give it time to get used to hitting groundstrokes with it before adding lead.
     
  27. m1stuhxsp4rk5

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    before i got to the pt280 i was using the head prestige classic 600. ill probably hit with it some more to see if i get used to it. would you recommend gut with poly hybrid or poly synthetic?
     
  28. jayserinos99

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    I'm currently using the PC600 as well. My preference is for gut hybrids but I lean toward using soft strings in general. I still use the gut/isospeed combination and right now I'm trying to snap the gut/syngut in my other PC600s because I don't like cutting strings during the off-season (waste of money).
     
  29. Pro_Tour_630

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    Nice photo VS. I got to know three high profile Austrian connection citizens that will help me around when I go to Austria in summer of 09. I will pay homage to this plant and the old one, you never know they might have few PT630's laying around.:)
     
  30. Pro_Tour_630

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    Just an update and a heads up for the club

    My PSK88 will be here this week and I will do a review comparing it to our beloved PT630.

    Drak has reviewed the PSK88 and has played with a PT630 said that it reminded him of the PT630 in terms of balance, plow thru and that solid thumping feel only a little firmer.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=236348

    this is what Drak did not like about the PT630 which BTW was a made in Austria on the side which had a bit higher SW,

    this was my question

    and this is the response
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=236348

    With the PSK88 Drak though that the serve could have been better, which IMO could be the overall SW.

    Like I said. We need to lower the SW of the PSK88 and try to redistribute the balance to match a low swinging PT630.

    This will be a challenge for my review

    Taking off bumper from the PSK88 installing a very thin string at high tension, replacing with synthetic grip and warping the difference in lead around the butcap will reduce SW by more than 15 points at least.
     
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  32. Pro_Tour_630

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    ^^^ this is kennelbach :confused:could it be the CZ plant? or the new plant in the photo before
     
  33. drakulie

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    vsbabolat>>> you are definitely the effen man!!! Thanks for sharing that with us. I've always wanted to see a step-by -step process from beginning to end of how a frame is produced.


    Pro Tour 630, thanks for your post regarding our discussion related to the pt630/kps88.

    I look forward to reaading your thoughts.

    one question>>> you state you will be removing the bumer guard on the kps88??? what will you be using from grommets?? Thanks.
     
  34. vsbabolat

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    That is supposed to be Kennelbach. It is definitely Austria.
     
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    Thanks, I am glad you enjoyed the photos.
     
  36. vsbabolat

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    That is supposed to be the facility in Hoerbranz, Austria.
     
  37. hyogen

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    anyone else wanna chime in? I just got my zebra twin tube MP today :D i'm sure it'll feel similar to the 98 version of the twin tube radical mp.

    I'm guessing it's just a tiny bit lighter than a PT630 but feels very similar...maybe just as buttery? If that's the case, then I think I'm set until I finally get my hands on the prettier blue pt630.
     
  38. Lendl and Federer Fan

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    Nice, thanks for sharing. For whatever reason, I always thought the process is more automated than that. Well, no wonder the racquet costs over $100
     
  39. Pro_Tour_630

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    I will trim the bumper guard only with an exacto knife leaving the grommets. that should take off around 4 grams from hoop,

    look at how i lowered the sw of the k90 to 305 LOL, the same can be done to the psK88


    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=123179
     
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  40. gymrat76

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    Instead, show us the pics of the pro room filled with PT57As, VsBabolat! :)
     
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    My son is a former D1 player and has been sponsored by Head for the last 6 years. He first started out playing with an Intelligence Prestige 630 but was soon offered some customized racquets from Head. They sent him an A57 and E57 models to test. Both racquets came straight to our home from the factory without grips, pallets, or butt caps (since I do all of his racquet set up myself). I can verify that these custom racquets from Head are significantly lighter than retail models. It allows for a very wide range of customizing and it really helps me out. When he used the retail Intelligence Prestige 630, there were some unable to be used since the swingweights were too high stock. I was easily able to make the A57 and E57 to his specs since they are so light and there is so much weight to work with.
     
  42. jayserinos99

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    Hi mombops, can you tell us the stiffness of the A57 and E57? Also, you mentioned that you got the bare frame; can you go into a bit more detail as to how your configured your son's frames? Thanks!
     
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    I've got an RDC (and a Star 3) that I use to use for setting up my sons racquets and keep a log on my computer of all the racquets and set ups we've tried over the years. The A57 we had was a 60 and the E57 is around a 63. After testing both, the E57 was the winner. It played much more crisp and with more feel than the A57. His serving improved with the added stiffness of the E57 compared to the A57.

    We've never really changed his set up, except for strings. It ususally required 2-5grams under the CAP grommets, 4-8grams at the sides of the hoop, 2-8grams at the top of the handle, and over 20grams of silicon in the bottom of the handle. His weight is 340g, balance is 31.2cm, and swingweight is 325. This is a great set of numbers for his style of play. Anything heavier was too powerful and hard to get around.

    He has since switched to the MicroGel Prestige TGK 231.2 and uses the same set up. Which require 20grams under the non-CAP bumper, 5-10grams at the top of the handle, and over 20grams of silicon at the bottom of the handle.
     
  44. Pro_Tour_630

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    mombops fiirst welcome to TW and to the club, something is not right, the TGK231.2 is an MG radical MP with 18X20 not a MG prestige MP
     
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    How dare I make such a mistake? :oops:

    Okay, you got me, its Radical. And yes, its is the 18/20pattern. The 16/19 Pro was missing that stable feel the 18/20 had. Head was no longer offering the E57 and forced the switch to the MicroGel. It was welcomed in the end though. The MicroGel has more pop on the ball than the E57, and is also a little stiffer with a 65 RDC rating.
     
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    don't sweat it :) the reason the MG radical MP has more pop than a 57E is because not only it is stiffer but it is a different mold, it is THICKER by 1mm, the bridge/shoulder is also different.
     
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    Quick question: I have a couple pt 630s and I have read here that the 280 is a stiffer racquet. Is this a fact or is it just a "feel" thing? If it is true, what is the flex rating of the 280 versus the 630?

    Thanks
     
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    The E57's and MicroGel Radical 630 TGK231.2 have the same beam width, +-21mm. Believe me, I measure all racquets with a digital micrometer. While the A57 has a 20mm profile. But yes, the MicroGel is more powerful at the same specs, its about the graphite layup. The entire MicroGel line was really an improvement. I felt like the MicroGel Prestige 600 was a great update, equal to that of the Prestige Classic. And the MicroGel 630 was also much better than the previous FlexPoint 630 and Liquid Metal 630's. Really good frames they are coming out with.
     
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    The Chinese Pro Tour 280's measured stiffer RDC ratings than their European counterpartsthe Pro Tour 630. They played a little more hollow and with less feel in my opinion. Also lighter since the Austrian Pro Tour 630 came with CAP grommets usually.
     
  50. vsbabolat

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    Did you all ever try the TGK 231.3? It is the MG Radical MP (630) mold with a 16x19 string pattern.
     

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