*****THE OFFICIAL HEAD PRO TOUR 630/280 Club*************

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  1. drakulie

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    Thanks! Now that I read that, I remember when you first posted it.

    Thanks again. And let us know when you hit with the kps88. Look forward to reading your thoughts.
     
  2. tandayu

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    Mombops, welsome to this thread, and looking forward to read more of your postings

    Nice to see another member with elaborate exposure on various "limited availability" Head rackets.

    VSBabolat and Protour630 has maintained the high quality of this thread for such a long time.
     
  3. mombops

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    Yes, Head did send both versions of the MicroGel Radical 630, the 18/20 and 16/19 to test, along with a MicroGel Extreme and Extreme Pro. But the MicroGel Radical 630 18/20 was the instant winner, clearly more similar to the E57. With more strings on the ball, the 18/20 played with more control, stability, and touch. The added spin and power of the 16/19 string pattern was a plus, but was not needed. The Extreme and Extreme Pro never really got much court time, they were quite different from what my son was use to.
     
  4. mombops

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    I will post some pictures later today of the different variations of paintjobs later today, once I figure out how to work this stupid camera! :?
     
  5. Pro_Tour_630

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    I meansure beam width with a digital micrometer to the nearest .01mm as well

    these were my findings regarding the stock MG:

    .............Weight SW Balance Shaft Throat Bridge Head

    ..Prestige Mid 349.5g 331 32cm 19.60 19.80 19.60 19.40

    .Prestige Mid+ 344.0g 311 32cm 20.95 20.75 20.75 20.50

    ..Prestige Pro 338.5g 303 32cm 20.80 20.50 20.60 20.25

    ...Radical Pro 330.0g 320 33cm 21.00 20.50 17.60 20.40

    ..Radical Mid+ 317.0g 305 32cm 21.75 21.75 18.90 21.60

    ..Pro Tour 630 333.0g 325 32cm 20.50 20.30 20.30 20.00


    notice the bridge on the MG radical MP, can you tell us the measurement of the E57 compared to the TK231.2 at these four different locations.

    It means the PT57E has the same beam specs of a MG radical MP:confused:

    then the PT57E is a new radical and not a true constant PT57A:confused:

    then the 57A/E are two different molds altogether not just layup
     
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  6. mombops

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    Here are my measurements with a Mitutoyo 6" Digital Micrometer:

    Shaft Throat Bridge Head
    E57 21.525 21.438 21.350 21.487

    231.2 21.611 21.742 18.994 21.703


    The E57 is a true constant beam.
     
  7. mombops

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    The A57 and E57 are two different molds all together clearly. Not close to being the same. The A57 is much more squared and a thinner beam, while the E57 is more rounded and thicker. The A57 is a Pro Tour 630 mold while the E57 is an Intelligence Prestige 630 mold. I will post pictures soon!
     
  8. Pro_Tour_630

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    then this statement is not true the beam width at the bridge is clearly different to the naked eye it is a different mold altogether
     
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  9. Pro_Tour_630

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    there is also a TK 231.1 maybe that is the true 57E :confused:
     
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    I'm not one to post on message boards, though I do read them often, but I'm especially not one for message board wars. I never said that they were out of the same mold, only that they had the same beam width. The two molds are completely different. But, the beam widths are virtually identical. Earlier you claimed that the MicroGel Radical 630 was more powerful than the E57 due to the "1mm thicker beam". Well that simply isn't true because the beam widths are the same. If anything, since the MicroGel Radical 630 has a thinner bridge, it should be less powerful in your view.

    I don't want to argue, I started posting because I had some insight to offer with these racquets. This is first hand experience with all of these racquets (A57, E57, MicroGels, etc), not assumptions that I make blindly. I actually possess all of these racquets.
     
  11. Pro_Tour_630

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    mombops were are not arguing, we need your insights, just they need to be clear

    I asked about the thickness since I really thought the MG radical mp (there are many versions) was thicker than a 57E( iprestige 630 with a 20mm). You cleared that up. I did make reference to the bridge being different. I cleared a few of your posts as well, you called your sons frame a prestige when in fact he had a radical and now you know the bridge width are very different, and yes thinner bridge means not only more power but more feel IMO
     
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    Can someone post pictures if I e-mail them? I have pictures of all these racquets I would like to share....
     
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    since you own the 57A and the 57E do the same measurments?

    you can use my email click profile
     
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    The A57 is about 1mm thinner on average. I'd classify it as a 20mm, while the E57 is a 21mm. I'm e-mailing pictures for you to post right now.
     
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    I can't find your e-mail, it won't let me see it. My e-mail is mombops@yahoo.com, send me one there.
     
  17. MichaelChang

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    You can simply mouse click on his username, and choose "send email to...".
     
  18. mombops

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    It does not give me that option. Sorry :confused:
     
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    the radical TK 231.2 on the right in this picture is clearly not an iprestige 630 mold on the left. the tk 231.2 is thicker than the iprestige 630 which I beleive is a true "20mm"
    constant beam,
     
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  25. mombops

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    No, it is not. As I've already stated its a TGK231.2 MicroGel Radical 630. This is my sons new racquet, I said he switched.
     
  26. mombops

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    The Intelligence Prestige 630 is not a 20mm beam. If you actually measure it, you will see its more like a +21mm. With the exception of the MicroGel in the right of the picture, they are all "true constant beams".
     
  27. Pro_Tour_630

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    the above were your measurements of the E57, is that the exact same as the iprestige630 you have in the photo? can you measure the iprestige 630, thanks, there were some iprestige 630 that were made in CZ and some that were made in Austria, some were shinny and some were flat matte in color
     
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  28. mombops

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    The E57 and Intelligence Prestige 630 have the same beam width, both measuring just over 21mm.

    I am also quite familiar with the two different Intelligence Prestige versions. The first ones that came out had the rubber paint, which the logos rubbed off of, and so did the paint. The later ones were what my son used, with the matte finish.
     
  29. Pro_Tour_630

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    reason I am asking is that my # for the MG prestige MP:

    .Prestige Mid+ 344.0g 311 32cm 20.95 20.75 20.75 20.50

    I do not remember the iprestige 630 being thicker,

    I will try to dig up my iprestige 630 and give you my exact #'s

    still waiting for your exact #'s
     
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    Exact Numbers as you requested for the Intelligence Prestige 630 "Made in Austria" (matte paint):

    Shaft Throat Bridge Head
    21.495 21.557 21.453 21.697
     
  31. Pro_Tour_630

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    ^^^^thanks, the matt paint does add thickness:confused:, my original rubber iprestige 630 from what I remember all came in a little below 21mm, when I get a chance (digital caliper in shop) I will post exact #'s they were along the #'s of the MGprestige MP not more if I recall,

    so in terms of width in general

    PT630 (57A) is thinner than MGprestigeMP which is thinner than a E57 (iprestige 630) which is thinner than a MGradical MP (less bridge)


    VSbabolat: from this exercise mombops concludes that the 57E is the exact same mold as the iprestige 630. The iprestige 630 and the PT630 do not share the same mold, please give us your assesment. thanks
     
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    The Intelligence Prestige 630 was always advertised as a 21mm beam. If you actually measure all of these racquets, the beam width is not exact. The Pro Tour 630/A57 is a "20mm" beam. The Intelligence Prestige 630, MicroGel Radical 630, and E57 have the same "21mm" beam width (small variations). Each and every racquet is different, because the paint is not always consistent.
     
  33. Pro_Tour_630

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    Just like the MG radical pro was advertised as 21mm here on TW when in fact it was 20mm. I made the correction, or the countless incorrect advertised SW #'s:confused: or advertised 18g's and 17g's strings

    I do not go by advertisement, I go by actual #'s like the ones you provided.

    Look at my #'s for my PT630 they are not even 20mm but rounded down to 20mm, sometimes #'s are rounded up sometimes down, but in your case you stated the E57 and the iprestige 630 were clearly above 21mm (rounded down to 21mm) there is 1mm difference between the PT630 and the 57E /iprestige 630 according to your assessment. That is significant not nit picking

    let us wait and see what VSBabolat has to say.......
     
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  34. mombops

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    There is always variations with racquets. Racquets from the factory are all over the place in terms of specs. That's why I do all the customizing myself. Many of you reading this would be shocked to see how different two racquets of the same model can be. Weight, balance, swingweight, stiffness, handle size, etc all vary from racquet to racquet. No two racquets are ever the same.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the A57 and E57 are two different racquets. They are out of two different molds with two different graphite layups. Below you can see the physical differences of the throat:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Here's another comparing the two throats:
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  36. Pro_Tour_630

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    no one is disputing that the 57A and 57E are different molds, I am talking about the Iprestige 630 and the PT630 difference in width by 1mm which you claim are very different

    anyway since you told me the Ti radical :confused:mold is the same as the iprestige 630 mold........... I rest my case no further discussion, you are waisting my time

    this is what you said in your first email
    "However, the E57 is out of the same mold as the Intelligence Prestige 630/Ti Radical 630. Head sent my son one of each to test,"
     
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    I said the Ti Radical 630 mold is more similar than the Pro Tour 630 mold to the Intelligence Prestige mold.

    Again, I came to this post to share information. All you have done is split hairs endlessly. You question my credibility, but who actually owns these racquets? I think you need to accept the fact that some people have more knowledge about these racquets than you.....
     
  38. Pro_Tour_630

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    you are throwing too many frames around now Ti' radicals , 57E etc...

    all I want to know is if the iprestige 630 beam is thinner than what you have stated that is all...... is that too much to ask...... I thought it was thinner........ when I get my digital caliper I will measure it, you may be right!!!!!!!!!!!! take your advice and drop it.
     
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    Here is a picture to show the difference between the A57 (Pro Tour 63) and Intelligence Prestige 630. The fact is that they are both out of different molds, with different beam widths. I'm not saying its a HUGE difference, but they are not the same.
    [​IMG]
     
  40. Pro_Tour_630

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    ^^^^^I/we are well aware of the throat minor difference, when you bring the Ti radical into the discussion it is just plain ..............Silly!, were are talking about beam width, You said you do not care if the beam width is even 29mm that is very telling, I care, we care........ 1mm difference is more important to us/we than a minor difference at the throat that is all.......

    BTW do you even own a True PT630 not some PJ's PT57a:confused:
     
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  41. greg280

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    is there any diff. in layup between a pt630... austria above handle... and a pt57a paintjob?
     
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    My son has gone through over 30 Intelligence Prestige 630s. I haven't measured just one, or two, or three......I'm talking about a significant number of them. As you know from experience, each and every racquet is different (weight, balance, etc), including paint. Some are thicker, some are thinner. I've never measured one that wasn't over 21mm.

    As I type this, I'm quite sad that this is what it has come to. Why am I splitting hairs with you? I don't even care how thick the beam is :-?

    I hope you get your calipers back and that they give you the numbers you are looking for. Hopefully you like the racquet and play well with it :grin:

    Good Luck!
     
  43. Pro_Tour_630

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    ask our new in house resident it seems he knows it all.
     
  44. greg280

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    i know, i know... but i am getting a above austria frame and want t know if its the same as my paintjob 57a.. i have always liked the blue originals anyway...
     
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    ............ you have measured the width of 30 iprestige 630 yet you do not care about the width, am I missing something
     
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    Well I hope that 1mm makes all the difference for you! :)

    Minor differences in the throat? Yeah, they mean nothing, just like the beam shape and width. They don't change how the racquet plays. That

    You know what, I don't own a Pro Tour 630. Only low quality Austrian produced racquets for Head's sponsored professional players.
     
  47. mombops

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    I apologize for intruding on your thread with facts and pictures. I mean this
     
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    just send me a sample cache of these racquets with a 1mm difference and i'll tell you if they play differently. btw - to be fair, i will string them all with the same string/gauge/tension. then i'll pass them on to drakulie and have him test them as well to get a side by side comparison.
     
  49. Pro_Tour_630

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    I never said the throat means nothing, yes 1mm in beam width does make all the difference not only to me but to many players, if you and your son can not tell the difference is not our problem. why bother measuring width if you do not care is beyond me:confused: and when you say the mold is the same as the Ti radical630 in your first email to me is very telling.
     
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  50. Pro_Tour_630

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    you presented your #'s that is not fact, but your opinion on your frames, with YOUR CALIPER big difference get it.....

    your welcome......
     
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