*****THE OFFICIAL HEAD PRO TOUR 630/280 Club*************

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  1. mavtop

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    Ok but it is 8 point head heavier, so how to revert it ? i think it is impossible to bring it to a Head Lighter setup or not ?
     
  2. mavtop

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    Yes the Pro Tour 280 is 32cm like balance, so i suppose around 33cm would be enough :)

    thanks for your help, i really appreciate it

    and i really love the Pro Tour 280 racquet, i choose it thank to this post
     
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  3. MatthewH.

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    Any suggested hybrid string set ups on the PT280? Or any soft poly string that works well? I'm trying to find something with some pop and also arm friendly.
     
  4. 1990's Graphite

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    Gut / poly best way to go in these gems!
    Poly worthy mentions, Wilson revolve, Kirschbaum spikey, solinco tourbite and Hyper G
     
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  5. 1990's Graphite

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    Green version = NO TWARON
     
  6. mavtop

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    argggggg so i can't have two similar racquets ?

    i would like to have 2 racquets with similar specs but different strings setup to try (different tensions or type of strings).

    My Pro Tour 280 strung weigh 344 grams with Full cap, Head hydrosorb grip 1,8mm and head overgrip extreme soft 0,5mm

    i will have to search for another pro tour 630 or 280
     
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  7. 1990's Graphite

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    At our level you may not even notice the twaron difference. You have 40 grams to play with to get it to the specs of your pt280. People here have leaded up ad used silicone in the lite tour to get it up to desired specs with great results! Give it a try.. nothing to lose.
     
  8. vsbabolat

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    Thats not correct! The green Lite Tour 630 and the Lite Tour eXtra Long have Twaron...
     
  9. 1990's Graphite

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    I stand corrected, was always under impression in this thread by users quoting no twaron in the standard length version
     
  10. vsbabolat

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    For a while all HEAD racquets had Twaron. Until the TwinTube racquets started coming out.
     
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  11. mavtop

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    hmm ok better, so, i'm thinking to make Pro Tour lite 630 lighter than Pro Tour 280 at the beginning and try it, so i can understand if it is better or worst for my needs.

    I was thinking to target the weight at 320-330 grams (24 or 14 grams in less, i don't know if difference is noticeable).

    Lead-up where ? on the frame on under the butt cap ? I thought to use a very heavier grip, maybe a leather grip around 24-25gr, so i would reach the 310-315grams then add some weight to balance it better, but where to put it ?
     
  12. leohaegger

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    I am pretty sure the Head Tour XL has Twaron on them.
     
  13. vsbabolat

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    weigh your racquet on a scale and measure the balance and then put the lead where you think it needs it.
     
  14. MatthewH.

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    Thx! I gotta try a gut hybrid. I'm a string breaker tho so I'm also curious of any more economical hybrid options? I ordered some 17 gauge Wilson Revolve so gonna try that too bc I've heard it's pretty arm friendly.
     
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  15. 1990's Graphite

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    I have used micro sheep syn gut in full bed (Courier) and hybrids poly/syn gut and works great. Hyper G felt so good in 16guage. I have only once broken a string in these sticks and that was a thin guage like 18 or so...
     
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  16. mavtop

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    Ok another day with my PT280 (3h and half of play) strung at 26/25kg with Babolat Xcel Limited 1,30mm 16G.

    40 mins of warm-up then matches, won a double 6-2 3-6 7-6 (Tie Break 7-3).

    My elbow (not exactly elbow i suppose, but arm muscle) and my right thigh's quadricep has maden me crazy.

    Never had these problems, but yesterday i pushed a lot of forehand and serves (my serves are becoming very strong, 2 aces never done before).

    What tell after 12-13 hours of play ?

    Control is the main feature that i love, i can decide where to put the ball and the ball will go there.

    Still some problems with backhand, but i'm learning how to use better, my forehand is very good and now i'm trying to push it harder to see if it is still controllable, and i think it is so.

    Slices are hard to receive like 1st serves when they are in the field, i'm learning how to give more power and when all the steps are perfect my 1st serve is really damn fast.

    Lately i'm using lot less the topspin, i need to train it before to use and usually we have few time for that for now.

    We are growing like number of players, we could be in 6 tomorrow, so we can try also a tournament :)

    Anyway my Pro Tour Lite 630 is coming, i suspect in 2 days, and i would like to try something lighter, cheap and arm friendly.

    I was thinking about synthetic gut like Gosen Sheep Micro o Super Micro.

    I don't know if it is better doing hybrid or not.

    If someone has something to suggest, i would like to stay cheap, i saw also some Gamma gut, i think to use always 16G strings for now.

    Please someone that is using them let me know how long they last and how is the feeling.

    I like control but also direction, if possible some topspin (but before i will have to learn).

    The PT Lite 630 would be lighter, but i will have to add some weight (it is head heavier) but i suppose that i will reach about 320 grams so 20-24 grams less than PT280 so i would have less pain on the arm, so i hope.

    I can remove the full cap on the PT280 in the future so i would recover 8-10 grams, anyway any hints are welcomed
     
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    You've tried SynGut mains Poly crosses as well as the reverse? If so what were your thoughts? Also, what gauge would you recommend in the hybrid? Thx!
     
  18. 1990's Graphite

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    Full bed syngut at 57ish. Poly mains at 54 or 55 and syngut cross at 53 all 16guage. Haven't tried syngut mains poly cross. Mains do most of work so hence poly mains for control and spin.
     
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    Why don't you try a poly that you like in the mains like your Xcel at 54lbs, and a synthetic gut like micro sheep (gamma isn't the best in my opinion)
    in the crosses at like 52lbs. This will give you spin, control, and comfort. Don't forget no need to string too high, unless it's too hot. The pt280 isn't really a 98sq in head, it's more like 96sqin

    The caps add 10 grams, so once you remove them you will have a more headlight racquet and also 10grams less, around the 335g mark.
     
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  20. mavtop

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    Infact i was thinking to try several things:

    The temperature is around 36 celcius when i play then go lower, we play in later afternoon (around 5:00 pm up to 9:00 pm)

    1a) Wilson Poly Pro 1,35mm 15g on mains at tension around 55lbs - 25kg
    1b) Ashaway Liberty Synthetic Gut 1,30mm 16g on crosses at tension around 53lbs - 24kg

    2) Gosen OG Sheep Micro 2 1,28mm 16L or Gamma Synthetic Gut 1,30mm 16G on mains and crosses around 56lbs - 25,5kg / 54lbs - 24,5kg

    3) any other suggestion

    I'm not expert but i would like to try several strings with this racquet and the PT lite 630 that is coming (i suppose i would get it tomorrow at max), so i would like something cheap and durable.

    I also would like to know if someone has tried synthetic gut on mains and poly or mono on crosses and if it could be a good choice for the PT280.

    I'm thinking to remove the caps, maybe i can cut them with a knife until i get the new one, is it easy install the grommet ? In the while i will order some grommet without caps, there is a better version of the cheaper LiquidMetal (LM) Radical MidPlus (MP) that i can use on the PT280 ?

    thanks for any advice
    mavtop
     
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    Installing grommets is easier rather than removing old ones according to stringers here... I would leave it to them rather than risk damaging them with a knife. Syngut mains is more popular as a cross as stated above, I also think poly mains will last you longer. Try syn gut in a full bed, you may like it. Gosen feels too stiff in full bed for me, and also lack of spin / control.
     
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    So do you think i can mix 2 synthetic guts, like Ashaway Liberty with Gosen OG Sheep Micro 2 ? Which on mains and which on crosses ? Or if you have other advices

    For the grommet i will do making the job to the strunger if he will do.
     
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    I don't see the point of mixing two synthetic guts ? My favourites are prince duraflex and gosen og sheep. I am not sure if I know anyone who has used two different synguts... Give it a go, will be interesting!
     
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    i read that a lot of people use a full bed of synthetic gut, so i thought to mix 2 synthetic gut, to have some best of one and the best of the other, if i wanted to do it, which one would i keep on the mains and which one on the crosses ?

    I want control, manovrability and some top (also if use less in these last matches) and the strings would be Ashaway Liberty and Gosen OG sheep micro 2, which one on the mains ?
     
  25. DJ-

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    Gosen will last you way longer than ashaway, so I would put the more durable in the mains which is Gosen. Ashaway I think is softer so crosses seems logical. Ashway plays good for the first two hours according to users... Gosen will last way longer, maybe it is better full bed of Gosen ? If you have the string try it out, it may work for you..
     
  26. mavtop

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    Only two hours ??? I would like to go cheap to spend less money, but if they will last 2 hours, i will have to change every week ?

    Ok i will try someother synthetic gut.

    I could begin to test the Gosen in full bed and see how it works.
     
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  27. DJ-

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    I think that is a better option. Gosen is more durable.
     
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    VS, do donnay pro one accept CAPs?
     
  29. vsbabolat

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    I don't know. I never tried.
     
  30. mavtop

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    Yesterday i played again with the PT 280, more time passes and more i get in love with it.

    3 hours of play: 10 mins of warm-up, then 2h e 50min of match in double, we won 1st 5-7 2nd 6-2 3rd 7-5, then another set 3-6 to reach the 3 hours of play.

    I played very well, the control is superb (i know i already told you from first day, but it become always better or maybe i'm learning the racquet each day more).

    Each-one of my shots went where i wanted and with a surgical precision, my volleys were fantastic, i put them where i really wanted, same with the smashes.

    My slices are always harder to receive, very fast and low, and i use them to reach the net and then volley/smash the ball.

    I tried to serve only sliced serves, trying to add more slice and more power, and they were good, yesterday i didn't serve flat, only sliced, i want to have more first serve choices and i needed to try a better sliced serves.

    I think my arm little pain is because i never used the upper arm muscles in this way, infact more i use the racquet and more that pain reduces.

    I got also my Pro Tour Lite 630, tomorrow i will check the weight and the balance just to see what i need to do to bring it closer to the PT 280 and i will check if i can use like a second racquet, where i will try some strings setup.

    With the Pro Tour Lite 630 i got another racquet a "evo" something 660, tomorrow i will post some photos of both with their features (what i can find myself).

    Anyway, my playstyle is growing up each day, together with my technique, also my one handed forehand is growing, not like my forehand, but it is enough for now, i prefer to use a lot of slices on the backhand, but i will have to use also some flat/topspin, but i will need to learn the technique for that.
     
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    ^ the honeymoon will be over within 2 weeks, me feels
     
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    are you referring to my post ?

    if so, i played already over 2 weeks with this stick (considering i play 3 times in a week, 3 hours each one, if not more), before i tried an Head Competition 660 (for 3 times) and it was similar (but not the same, lighter for me, but with great recovery for the frame bigger).

    I don't know if the tension is loosing in the while (maybe a little, i'm not an hard hitter or great topspinner), but i play each time better, repeat i don't know if it depends that i'm learning how to use it better or depends from the string tension, or other, but my playstyle is becoming always better, i decide what to do, and voila' it becomes true. I want to send the ball on the line, and the ball go there, i want to cross, i want to slice or i want to volley there and it is so easy.

    Repeat maybe it depends on our level of tennis, we are novices, not pro, just playing with our teammate, but we are almost at the same level, there is only one just a little over the others, in single he won against all of us.

    But doubles are another story, you have to cover, attack, the teammate is important more than yourself, if he is the black hole, all the balls will go to him. Tactics are more imporant than playstyle if people is at the same level.

    Anyway back to the stick, i used it from 13-07-2016 for 16-17 hours, latest yesterday, the next will be on monday next week.

    Holidays are really close, so i'm not sure that i will be able to find someone to training me in august, then at september i will have my holidays, so this week could be the last for now, i hope not, i'm really enjoying to play tennis again, after more than 20 years.

    I feel like a children with a new toy :)
     
  33. leohaegger

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    My honeymoon with my PT57's is over and i think they are the best racquets out there, man! I'm still playing with them!
     
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  34. mavtop

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    Ok i got my Pro Tour Lite 630,

    here the info i got:

    Lenght: 68,5 cm (like the PT280 that i have)

    Weight strung, with grip and overgrip: 305 grams (the PT280 with grip and overgrip strung weighes 344 grams, so i have 39 grams to reach that target, but i want to try to stay lower 10 grams if possible)

    Frame width: 21-22mm, i don't have a caliber (the PT280 is 20mm)

    Balance: 39-39,5cm (the PT280 is around 32cm) here i will need to fix these 7-8 cm.

    That overgrip green by head is really awful, i removed it with the grip under it and i discovered it has the same size of the PT280 i have.

    I was thinking to add a leather grip (maybe Gamma 25 grams) with an overgrip on it by Head Black Xtreme Soft (8,5 grams), in this way i will move a little the balance, then i will have to add some weight on the buttcap, silicone or lead tape, i don't know, i will have to verify.

    Here the photos:

    Pro Tour Lite 630
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    Made in Austria
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    Bumper Guard
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    Awful Green Overgrip
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    Tour Series
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    Overgrip and Grip removed
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  35. leohaegger

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    It is in a nice condition!!
     
  36. mavtop

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    Yep it was, like the PT 280, i was very lucky to find them in these conditions and for the money of a pizza both :)
     
  37. leohaegger

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    WOW!! This was really a good deal, man!!:D:D
     
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    He's probably not talking Dominos deal ;)
     
  39. mavtop

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    Yep i was very lucky, the 2 guys that sold me the 2 rackets didn't know what they had in the hands, one got it while cleaning a room, another would like to empty the garage.

    Obviously i was very happy to get their stuff to have them more free space and me less :)
     
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    Another 2 days of tennis for a total of 7hours of play.

    5 matches in total, 2 in double, and 3 mixed.

    The PT280 is always with me and it is perfect for my playstyle, i think the strings are losing their tension a little, but i have put them at 26/25kgs at the beginning, so they would live again for a little.

    All the first impressions remain valid, a solid racquet, lot of control, net game is easy, like volleying, slices, drop balls.

    My first serves are now constants, my slice serves are always harder to receive.

    This is my racquet also if maybe i will need to remove the full cap to have it lighter, maybe i could use a lighter grip, but i suspect that 10 grams in less would give it more head light and less stress on my elbow, after 3 hours of play my arm has some little pain, close to the elbow.

    I remember it weighs 344 grams in all, removing full cap with only a bumper guard it would reach 334 grams, if i change the grip (with a lighter) and maybe don't use an overgrip it could reach 324 grams, 20 grams in less.

    I don't know if 20 grams is enough, but before changing this, i will try with my PT 360 Lite, it is starting around 305 grams with grip+overgrip and strung, so i suspect without them i would be in the 280-290 grams range, that could be a good point to start.

    Do you know if exists only the bumper guard for the PT280 without changing grommets ? I know the liquidmetal (LM) Radical MidPlus (MP) = 18 grams would be the right one and the lightest, but if i can't find them which one would i use ? i want the lightest one if possible.

    On tenniswarehouse europe i can find

    Head MicroGEL Radical MP
    Head MicroGEL Radical Pro
    Head YOUTEK Radical Lite

    or

    Head Youtek IG Radical Pro Mid+
    Head Youtek IG Radical Mid+
    Head YOUTEK IG Prestige Mid Plus

    or

    Head Graphene Speed S/MP/Rev/Jr
    Head YOUTEK Graphene Prestige MP
    Head YOUTEK Graphene Radical Pro/MP/REV Orange

    or

    Head Graphene XT Speed MP A
    Head Graphene XT Speed MP/S
    Head Graphene XT Instinct MP
    Head Graphene XT Radical MP/Pro
    Head Graphene XT Radical MPA
    Head Graphene XT Prestige MP

    If you want all the list go here http://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/catpage-GACGROM-IT.html#HEADGROM

    I would like only the bumper guard, or bumper guard with grommet but not full-cap, maybe a mid-cap could be good, if lighter than the full-cap i have now.

    Thanks in advance
    mav_top
     
  41. Hansen

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    microgel radical mp grommets fit on my lm radical mp and are lighter
     
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    Ok but they will work on a PT 280 ? Is it a bumper guard, no-cap, mid-cap or full-cap ?

    Thanks in advance
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    i have no experience with a PT 280. i can only say that the mg radical bumper guard fits on a lm radical mp and that it is lighter than the original lm bumper guard.
     
  44. vsbabolat

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    Microgel radical grommets are not cap grommets. They are bumper guard and will fit the PT280.
     
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    perfect and thanks vsbabolat i will buy them for my pt280.

    mavtop
     
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    Another week of tennis passed, this week only 2 days of tennis about 4,5 hours in all, we warmed for 15 minutes each time, the rest played singles, the first day we were in 3 and I won 8 games on 17. The second day I won 1st set 6-0, 2nd set 6-3 and 3rd set 1-0 then stopped to play for finished time.

    My playstyle is fixed now, i can control my game from serves to volley and i'm really happy about it.

    My serves have high percentages of success, 1st serves flat or sliced around 85-90% are in the field, 2nd serves with some kick-in around 95-99% in the field.

    My forehand is stable, i can control, send the ball where i want easily, i can push when i want to attack, but still some problems with the slices on high balls, the most will hit the net, but i suppose it is a technical problem, maybe i have just to hit an high ball and don't slice it, but i like to change the speed on the ball, then my slices are so low on backhand.

    My backhand is stable on slices, i can control if doing one at middle field or deep long slice, but i have some problem with drop balls, but also here i think it is a technical problem.
    I have still some problems on flat/topspin backhand but i suppose i will need some training to fix this.

    My volleys are perfect, i can put them where i want very easily and hardly the opponent can reply on them.

    My smashes too are right, i can control them easily and put them where i want.

    My body is beginning to stay stable and reacting fast, i'm feeling really better, maybe i'm losing also some weight (it is not bad at all), after 2 hours of play i can't feel the pain than first weeks of play, i'm still fresh :), i can attack the net more easily now, usually i do with a long slice on backhand or when i see the other player is short on a ball and in the middle of the field, i usually i tend to slice on his worst arm very deep with backhand or pushing a flat or with little topspin forehand, on his forehand or backhand (the worst of two), so if he will hit the ball, i will be able easily to volley on it.

    Next week we will have a break, our office will be closed for mi-august holidays, maybe i could find a teacher and take some lesson, i will let you know if i will do.

    Hope i'm not boring you with my progress on tennis, the last 2 weeks we didn't save videos the Go-pro was in holidays :)

    Maybe a day i will show you some of them, but we are really novices :)
     
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    Just bought an Austrian PT 280 from another user on this forum. Can't wait to see how it hits. Right now I'm switching back and forth between a PS85 and RF97.
     
  48. vsbabolat

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    It plays much more plush than this frames.
     
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    I hope you will love it how i do.

    I felt the first time i used it, that it was the right racquet for me, for my playstyle also if i was beginning to play tennis again after 25 or more years.

    I'm a novice or newbie on tennis, so maybe i'm not the right person to ask about it, maybe in the future after some training with a coach i will change my mind (also if i doubt it will happen).

    For now i'm really happy with it, at september i will try to balance also the Pro Tour 630 Lite in the same way, maybe a little lighter (10-20 grams) just to see if it is better after 3 hours of play, actually i have some pain after 3 hours close to the elbow, but the day after is all ok again (now my PT 280 is full cap, grip + overgrip, strung 344 grams).

    I'm thinking to remove the full cap with a bumper guard only, but before do it, i will fix my PT 630 Lite and will try if i fell it better than PT 280 (and if it will be because lighter).

    just my 2 cents
     
  50. asifallasleep

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    Is the 280 a little stiffer than the 630? Contemplating buying a 280 since I sold both my 630's. Wondering if there is a big enough difference. 630's were too flexy and heavy for me.
     

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