Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Pro_Tour_630, Nov 21, 2007.
Theres no difference.
Some here say that PT280 Made in China were a bit stiffer than PT630, and that in general they have not the exact same "feel", but I have not direct experience, so take it for what it worths.
I have hit with a friend of mine's China PT280 and it played just like a Pro Tour 630 to me.
I just want to say thanks to this post as I have switched from my speed mpa rackets to the pro tours! I have now acquired 8 made in Austria pro tours, I'm 15 and a frequent tournament player and I train 2 up to 6 hours a day and these rackets have made a huge difference to my performance! Thanks again to everyone in this post who have enlightened me about the legendary pro tours (I have read most of the 44 pages!)
My rating is 3.2 lta (5.5 NTRP) and I am aiming to get to 2.2 lta by next year. I am a mix up player serve volley base line aggressive (anything that works really) my setup is pro tour 630 customised to about 340g unstrung with Wilson revolve 1.25 at 30-28lbs on my Babolat star 3 machine.
Well my friend had two mint Chinese PT280's and I hit with them today. Wow. He had brought them out of storage for me to use as I wanted to compare them to my PT630. I liked the PT280's a lot more. Felt more solid, more maneuverable and much easier to serve with. Upon inspection when I got home, I found 10 grams of lead under the leather grip of the PT280. Modded static weight was 13.2. My PT630 with just the leather grip was 12.4. So the difference in playability was definitely because of the additional weight. I had previously owned two PT630's and eventually sold them as I had found them plush but sluggish for me to swing. I never would have thought that adding so much lead in addition to the leather grip would make it that much easier to hit with. I'm well aware of the effect of hl balance but I'm surprised that increasing the static weight to 13.2 ounces wouldn't have a negative effect. Of course it helps the PT280 and PT630's have fairly thin beams to aid in maneuverability.
Out of interest was the 13.2 ounces static weight strung with grips or unstrung with or without grips?
strung, with leather grip, dampener and 10g of lead tape under the grip
If I get a TK82 pallet for my PT630 will a modern trap door buttcap fit? I can't find any old buttcaps.
I did this just today and a modern trap door buttcap did fit for me (it was an L3 buttcap for an L3 TK82 pallet)
Oh cool. Thanks. Where did you get your pallets. I had two mint 630's a few months back and sold them for $300 per frame. Should have kept them. I have one left that's probably in 8 condition that I need to take a grip size down. The buttcap decal is gone.
Thanks. I've let a lot of great deals for 280's get away as I only wanted 630's Made in Austria.
Now I've hit with a Made in China 280 and see that there may not be any difference at all.
I already had the pallets from a pro stock racket I got on FleaBay for £55. $300 per frame is a pretty good price though don't beat yourself up over it. The buttcap decal on most of my 10 pro tours have gone aswell.
Oh ok. Thanks. Do you have all 630's or some 280's?
I have 2 280s not customised one 690 not customised, one semi broken 630, and 7 customised 630s (all made in Austria)
I train 3 hours plus everyday atm and play lots of Tournaments that's why I have so many rackets lol
What do people say when they see you using these old frames? I have 2 Made in Austria PT630's and 3 Designed in Austria no barcode made in China PT280's.
They say why are you using those old things are your real rackets broken? And I say nope these are the nicest rackets I have ever tried . Are the designed in Austria ones much or any different to the made in Austria 630s? And what do people say when they see you using your frames?
I change frames quite a bit and used the RF97 for a long time. Also the Pure Strike Tour, the K90, PS88, PS85 St Vincent and a bunch of others. So they aren't surprised about what I show up on the court with.
Some say the PT280's made in China are a little stiffer and have more power. Some say there's no difference and some say there's a huge difference and that the Made in Austria are just way better. A few like the chinese one's better. LOL.
The Made in Austria PT630's are definitely the more sought after ones and command a higher price. Not sure if it's based on perception or reality in terms of quality and performance.
I just hit with the China ones for the first time yesterday.
I've probably have a better comparison in a few weeks. I think the preference is completely personal.
All the PT630's were made in Austria. The Designed in Austria were made in Austria as well but painted in Czech.
The Designed in Austria PT280's without a barcode and without the "barcode label inside" inscription on the frame are Made in China.
The Designed in Austria PT280's with a barcode and with the "barcode label inside" inscription on the frame are Made in Austria.
If anyone has any leads on where I can pick up a couple of really nice MIA's please let me know. Thanks!
But they are not, at least not according to the RDC machine. The Chinese PT280 is stiffer compared to the PT630 (every one I have checked on the machine)
I'm sure you are right but specs don't translate the same in usage to everyone. Some can tell and some can't. The Chinese being a bit stiffer may explain why I like it slightly better than the PT630 which felt a little soft for my liking. Also, the PT280 could only be considered stiff when compared to the PT630.....and it's just a slight difference IMO. Certainly not so when compared to the stiffness of today's frame. Both today would be considered not stiff at all and very arm friendly.
Is the PT280 actually stiffer or is it in my head, lol. You'd get both arguments from different people. The only thing that matters is to play with what you like.
Now the magical Twaron debate I won't get into, which the PT630 contingency would say is the deal breaker for them in only using the Made in Austria frames.
I'd even put forth that most player's today would prefer the Chinese PT280 over the PT630 because it is a little stiffer and closer to the feel of current frames of today. The PT630 being softer and truly old school. Now they could have been the same when they left the factory but my PT630's have way way more mileage and over the life of a frame the flex does increase. My PT280's could simply be stiffer because they haven't been used as much. I have no idea.
I must say that I got caught up in the Made in Austria is way better, has better feel, much better quality, etc.....
Perception can sometimes really drive things: Austria good, China junk. PT630 the best, PT280 second tier. PT630 more plush, PT280 stiffer. SMH.
Almost all frames are made in China today and the quality is fine....albeit the occasional factory spec goofs. Some say certain brands have more problems than others.
I would say that perhaps my PT280's are superior to current frames as better materials were used in the past. Also the production volume is larger today which increases the chance for inconsistency.
My PT280's are exactly the same in spec.
thinking of trying a soft(ish) poly in my PT280's at lower tensions ... any recommendations for which string works well around 40 lbs and is not too stiff?
Do you know if the 280s made in Austria are stiffer than 630s made in Austria on the RDC machine? (As I don't have an RDC machine) my 280s made in Austria feel stiffer but it may just be psychological.
Its psychological. They are the same racquets with different graphics.
Made in China stocks have twaron in them?
Try the Signum Pro Poly Plasma. It's very soft and plays very good in 40-45 lbs.
LOL, idk that. That's good to know. It appears i have incorrect information from these forums as well.
Anyone stringing with a full bed of multi?
Is there any reason the PT630 seems to be more popular than the 280? I feel like 630s command a higher price when they're the same racket? Both are CAP-able but only the 630 comes with CAP grommets right?
I don't know why, probably because was endorsed by more top player at the time (like Guga or Muster).
As for CAP grommets, only the 2nd version (aka "Shadow Font"), always MIA, came with them directly from the factory.
The 1st version (aka "Star Trek Font") came with Radical style Half-CAP grommets.
Because the PT280 was only sold in the Americas. The rest of the world got racquets branded Pro Tour 630
Strung my PT280's with a full bed of Biphase 16g at 30lbs. Gonna try them out tomorrow. 18X20 frames no matter how soft always give me elbow pain with poly's. I had my PST's at 30lbs with Cyclone 19g and loved the playability and feel, but still felt my elbow a wee bit.
I know the 30lbs tension in the PT280 won't be an issue (my RF97's always at 40lbs with Vovkl Cyclone 18g) so i'm thinking full multi's in all 18X20 sticks I ever use going forward.
Has anyone noticed any real difference in play/feel from the Made in Austria vs Designed in Austria?
They are all made in Austria but Designed is finished in Czech Republic right?
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