The Official Lead Tape Placement+Racket Customization Thread

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  1. TennisManiac

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    4 grams at 12 (2 grams each side) and an overgrip should help. That's how I set mine up when I played with the IG PP. Full bed of Alu Power at 48 was really nice in this frame. Signum Pro Tornado and BHB7 was also nice but didn't last very long.
     
  2. prestigeww

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    i have about 4 inches of lead tape at 3 and 9, but layered twice, as well as 2 inches at 12. any idea of where/ how much i should add to the handle?
     
  3. Fuji

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    The same amount as you added in total to the frame.

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  4. prestigeww

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    Thanks, starting from the bottom? I have read different things regarding placement. i think the last I read was 7 inches above the bottom?
     
  5. Fuji

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    Depends on what you want to accomplish. I think common logic was that you do 7 inches if you have a 1HBH. I prefer in the handle / buttcap though.

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  6. prestigeww

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    Ok, I do have a 1HBH so ill try that, and i have a bit of blu tack in the buttcap as well
     
  7. Fuji

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    Good deal. You could definitely try splitting the weight equally between 7 inches and the buttcap.

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  8. Juan2thePaab

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    Appetite For Plow

    I am a plow fiend... I love the feeling of the racket going through the ball without getting pushed around, however... I find that it comes at a sacrifice of maneuverability. Ie. when I add too much weight to my racket, I begin to have trouble getting the racket back into position.

    It's like trying to diet... I want to keep the racket weight down so I can get into position quickly, but I always have that hunger for plow...

    Any psychological tips for dealing with Appetite For Plow?

    Or is there a way to improve ones self to maneuver a heavier racket, eg would any strength training help?
     
  9. Hnefi

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    What's the logic behind putting it 7 inches from the butt, which ends up above your hand, instead of wrapping it directly around the buttcap? I have always put it right at the bottom of the racquet, particularly because I like my frames very very HL on the 1hbh.
     
  10. Shroud

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    Having played with 16+ oz rackets i know what you are talking about.

    Though now i hit a sub 300g frame. It doesnt lack plow for the most part, but my technique is different now and i swing faster with less arm.

    Its really where the weight is. If its in the head you can not get pushed around. This one for instance is 15pts hh but i added some handle weight so its a couple of pts hl.

    So try getting the weight more in the head and swinging faster if you can using a loose arm
     
  11. welle

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    Hi,

    need help on customizing my Six One 95S. I would like to keep the stock form (balance, weight distribution, etc.) as good as possible, but add weight for more power.
    Where should i put lead tape to make it heavier? And how much would you recommend as a first step?

    Thanks.

    P.S.: I currently string with Solinco Tour Bite 1,25 mm in 20.5kg/21kg. Is it wise to string this way, since there are more mains?
     
  12. Fuji

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    Honestly it was from a thread from like 2010. There was some logic that was calculated somewhere 7 inches from the butt cap created some nirvana. It went well when I tried it. Can't remember the exact reasons though.

    Well I think you've found a good set up then if your preference is extreme HL. I'm not a fan of super HL myself, but that's just me. :)

    -Fuji
     
  13. welle

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    help anyone? Please :)
     
  14. tdhawks

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    You want more power and the same balance?

    Add a small amount at 12 o'clock and counterbalance it in the butt cap or under the grip at the lowest point. Start small and work your way up so you can gauge what you like a dislike. A small amount at 12 o'clock goes a long ways.
     
  15. DanFuller

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    I have a Wilson PS97 which I feel is a little light in both Swingweight and HL Balance.

    In order to say get to 2pts HL(currently at 5/6) and also increase the swingweight another 10 pts to 330 where would you add lead.

    Current weight is 328g and it feels like a tooth pick

    Thanks,
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  16. Irvin

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    If you want to add weight to bring the SW up 10 points and raise the balance up I would add the weight at 12. the square of the distance above the axis times the weight in Kg equals the SW increase. 12 o'clock is 58 cm above the 10 cm axis. Therefore, 10 = 58*58*Kg or 10/3364 Kg or .00297 Kg or 2.97 g or 3 g. Put 3 g of lead at 12 o'clock
     
  17. DanFuller

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    Wow thats perhaps the most detailed answer ive ever had. Thank you

    So we would be saying 4 strips, 2 on each side or just the two strips with one on each side?
     
  18. SChamp

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    Is there anyway to find out what your SW2 value is other than just experimenting and trial and error? Any reference ranges or good places to start? I'm in pretty good shape and I weight train at least 3x per week, so I feel like I could handle a stick with a high SW. Thanks.
     
  19. brettatk

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    I'm wanting to put some lead at 3&9 on my Wilson Hyper Carbon 6.1. What's a good amount to start my experimenting at? I was thinking either 6 or 8 total grams.
     
  20. The_Racketeer

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    I want to make my Volkl V1 Classic 6pts HL. Stock it's about even, maybe 1pt HL. It's a fairly light racquet to begin with so I worry that simply adding lead at the buttcap is going to make the head extremely whippy in a bad way. Thoughts on if I need to lead up the hoop as well and if so where?
     
  21. RalphJ

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    Anyone had luck with any of the Graphenes. The problem is that weight /solidness was taken out of the middle and transferred to the tip. I haven't been able to get a HL feel by adding lead to the butt. The racquet immediately becomes very heavy feeling.
     
  22. Irvin

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    When you have a polarized racket you will have the maximum SW/weight ratio. Adding weight ti either of the pole drives the ratio up even more. Adding weight to the outside of the hoop drives the SW and the TW up which also makes it harder to swing.
     
  23. RalphJ

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    Got it. This pretty much confirms that these racquets are un-customizable.
     
  24. Power Player

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    Just add lead to the throat of the graphenes or use a leather grip to rebalance it, if that is your intention.
     
  25. RalphJ

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    They all have a unique feel with any weight added, especially added to the butt - heavy. Right now my kid has a Graphene Speed Pro that I've played with off and on. I currently just have 2 1/4" x 4" strips in the throat, but it still feels head heavy. Its a big difference with the same amount added to a Blade.
     
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  27. votantonio

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    My racket is prince textrem tour 100T.
    I want to improve maneuverability on my racket so I added lead to the handle to create a more headlight balance, now it is 305gr unstrung, but now I find that the stick need more stability, especially for the volley, so i think to add some lead at 3 and 9.
    Do you think is it ok to add 10gr as total?
    Or is it better to add first 10gr at 3 and 9 and then calculate where to place the lead needed to counterbalance? I think my ideal weight is 315 gr unstrung.
    Thank's in andvance
     
  28. Cerps

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    10 grams is quite a lot, I would start experimenting with lower weights first, maybe 4-6 grams. Try using something like blue tack first. It is very easy to add to a frame and if it doesn't feel right or too heavy or something, it's very easy to remove. You can even reuse and maybe change the location of the weights between two points if you aren't satisfied.
     
  29. votantonio

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    The idea of blue tack is fantastic!!
    But in general is best to use a single long stripe or more shor stripes one over other?

    Thank's
     
  30. Karma Tennis

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    I use Blu-Tac as a permanent solution for adding weight to the handle of Babolat and Wilson racquets that have a butt-cap trapdoor. Weigh your desired amount of Blu-Tac, roll it into two or four cylinders, and compress it into the handle.

    Use lead tape or tungsten tape in the hoop. Longer strips will have less of an impact on the SW and Balance but provide more stability.

    I suggest you start with 6 grams of weight in the handle and 2 grams at both 10 and 2 of the hoop and see how that feels. (If you don't like that, move the 2 grams to 9 and 3 on the hoop and test. ) If either of those feel good, add another 4 grams to the handle, and another 1 gram at each position in the hoop. At that point your unstrung weight will be around 321grams.

    Keep notes of every change you make so that you can home in on exactly what you like. If you get to a point where you don't like something, your historical notes will allow you to easily reconfigure the racquet to what you liked most.
     
  31. votantonio

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    Really thanks for your suggest, i will try to do some tests to find the right solution.
     
  32. tennis101

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    What happens if u put lead tape under the overgrip but over the stock grip
     
  33. stocchero

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    The overgrip is more soft, so probably you will feel it uneven, and it will tear more easily, and you will damage your stock grip, and maybe the lead won't be as stable as one would want it to be.

    But as a matter of weight and balance, it is as fine as putting under the stock grip.
     
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  34. n8dawg6

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    Guys: I picked up a 2012 PD lite on the cheap with the intention of adding some weight to it but still having a lightweight racquet for doubles. it is 275 g unstrung, I'm thinking I'd like to get it to 285 (under 300, at least) unstrung with a SW around 320 (in theory, this doesn't have to be perfect). I have lead tape, dampener, and it will have an overgrip. suggestions on getting there?
     
  35. robbo1970

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    I was just about to try and search for an answer to this very question and the answer is here. Fantastic.

    I'll admit I don't understand the formula at all, but I like the answer.

    So 3g at 12 is going to increase the SW by 10 points, have I understood that correctly?

    If so, does that mean 6g adds 20 points, or is it not as simple as that?
     
  36. Irvin

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    You have it, it's just that simple - sort of. Inertia is the sum of each point mass in Kg times the distance from the axis squared. So if your axis of rotation is 10 cm any weight you add to the racket (in Kg) time the distance squared in cm from the axis is the increase in SW points.

    6 g = 0.006 kg * 58 cm * 58 cm = 20.184 Kgcmcm assuming the lead you place at 12 o'clock is 58 cm above the 10 cm axis.
     
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    Top man. And thank you for such a speedy response.
     
  38. stocchero

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    But for a doubles match, you probably want a racquet that feels and is more manoeuvrable, and, imho, the pure drive lite lacks stability.

    So I would put 2 grams of lead in 12h, 2 grams at 3h and 2 grams at 9h.

    And then i would put something like 4 or 8 grams in the handle, i normally do this by removing the top part of the grip and adding lead tape to the upper part of handle, in circles, than re-grip it.

    This way, you don't alter the swingweight significantly, and bring back the balance down, and that would make your volleys easier, more stable, and with more put away power.
     
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  39. Irvin

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    If you want a racket that is easier to move don't add any weight anywhere.
     
  40. robbo1970

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    Thanks, but I don't use Pure Drive Lite and my volleys and overall doubles play is probably quite above average.

    I think you have me confused with someone else lol. I was just thanking Irvin for explaining the 'adding weight/swing weight increase' formula.
     
  41. stocchero

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    Sorry, yes, the answer about the pure drive lite was for the guy asking right before your message, and as he was wanting to up his SW by 10, i messed things up...
     
  42. robbo1970

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    Haha, I guessed as much. But should I ever get a PD Lite I will take your suggestions on board.:)
     
  43. votantonio

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    I find my solution, 14g on the handle and 3gr at hours 3 and 9. Now the stick is as i want... I think...
     

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