The Official Lead Tape Placement+Racket Customization Thread

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  1. olliess

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    Yep you can do this by adding weight in the head + counter balancing somewhere around the handle. The TW Racquet Customization page is very useful for this.

    Yup, although there are also other spots that are beneficial in different ways.
     
  2. Roger No.1

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    I got the basic idea that adding weight @ 3, 9 oclock will increase stability and @ 12 will increase swingweight. So I added 4 grams @12, then 2g @3, and 2g @9. Then to counterbalance I added 4g under the grip. I also use an overgrip plus some electrical tape under the grip so the racquet (blx90) feels head light. Is there anything wrong with adding lead at both 3,9 and 12 or can it be done better if I want both stability/plow through and more swingweight?
     
  3. mrtrinh

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    looking to increase a little more plow through and power by adding lead to the throat of my racket. Will this move the sweetspot down? I am also told that this will not affect the balance of the racket.

    Any advice would be great thanks!
     
  4. eleventeenth street

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    i'm sure there are more knowledgeable posters, and i could be wrong, but depending on where on the throat you add the lead, it should, very marginally, make it more headlight, but not by much. from what i understand, the most significant increase in power/plow through will come from adding weight towards the top of the hoop (12 o'clock ish). though it's all a matter of degrees. so, the further down the racquet you go, the less power/plow through.
     
  5. eleventeenth street

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    same could be said about the sweet spot. depending on the amount of lead, weight around the throat area may lower your sweet spot, but it could barely be noticeable.
     
  6. corners

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    Adding lead to the throat won't change the balance much (or at all, if you center it at 13.5", the center of the frame's length). It will move the sweetspot (the vibration node) down slightly and make the bottom of the stringbed a bit more powerful.

    But it will not increase plowthrough to any noticeable extent.

    Formerly, terms like "plowthrough" were nebulous and debatable in meaning. But the tools offered for free by TW University change this. Using this customization tool (http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customizationReverse.php) I added 10 grams to the throat of a racquet with these specs: 340 grams, 32 cm balance, 320 swingweight.

    Before adding the 10 grams, the above racquet had power potential of 40.04% and plowthrough index of 25.9%.

    Adding those 10 grams to the throat resulted in these specs:350 grams, 32 cm balance, 326 swingweight. The new power potential is 40.66% (1.8% improvement) and the new plowthrough index is 26.9% (a 1.5% improvement).

    If you want to improve plowthrough and keep the same balance it's much more efficient to add lead to the head and then counterbalance in the butt. If we add 3 grams at 12 o'clock and 3 grams in the butt, we get these specs: 346 grams, 32 cm, 330 swingweight. The new power potential is 41.25% (a 3.1% improvement) and the new plowthrough index is 27.8% (a 7.3% improvement). Adding only 6 grams to the tip and butt resulted in 4 times more improvement in plowthrough than adding 10 grams in the throat.

    However, adding weight to the throat (depolarizing the weight distribution) has a different effect on the way the racquet swings than adding to the tip and butt (polarizing the weight distribution), in my experience. Some people like it, some don't, some don't seem to care. You might find that you prefer one to the other, but if your goal is to increase plowthrough while keeping the same balance, there's no better way than adding to the tip and the butt.
     
  7. phnx90

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    Hello everyone, new user here :D

    Current racquet:
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    6g @ 12 o'clock
    ~3g @ 1" from butt, around grip

    Now: switching to APDGT (normal length)

    1) Any ideas how much lead to apply, and where?
    2) My APDC+ with the lead tape feels a lot better than before after swinging it a few times, though I do want to try rely even more on the racquet if possible. Would applying 9g under the bumper @ 12 be a good idea?
    3) Lead tape: under the buttcap or around the grip? Apparently applying lead ~10 cm from the butt is a good idea, but I don't see how that'll change anything since the hand effectively acts as the fulcrum (at least for a wrist flick)?

    As you can tell, I'm pretty new to racquet customisation...any pointers will be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance! :D
     
  8. cellofaan

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    1) You could fing the original specs of your apdc+, and enter them and your lead in the worksheet to find your actual specs
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customizationReverse.php
    Then use the customization tool to find out where to put lead.
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customization.php

    Since racquets tend to vary slightly from their advertised specs, it may be better to measure them yourself.
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/howto_swingweight.php

    2) I'm not sure what you mean by 'relying more on the racquet'. You should rely on your own skills, and not expect the racquet to the the miracle wand that will make you play better. In any case, 9 grams is a LOT to put under the bumper.

    3) The hand only acts as the fulcrum for a wrist flick. When you hit a normal groundstroke, the weight at 10cm will also affect the swing. Adding lead there may or may not be a good idea, depending on what you'd like to achieve.
     
  9. phnx90

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    Well I actually meant that until I added the lead I had to really whack at the ball to get topspin and power; now I can achieve both with a lot less effort and since my new setup hasn't affected my timing, I'm just trying to see what my limits are and try find a sweet sweet spot from there.

    But many thanks for the link!

    Also: would I be achieving something different by adding on the butt as opposed to an inch or 10cm from the butt? I've done quite a bit of searching around, but mostly placements dealt with lead on the head itself rather than the grip...
     
  10. Carolina Racquet

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    A comment about the benefit of added weight near the butt cap. While you're correct that the weight is below the hand, any additional weight at the end of your arm will deliver more force when you swing at the ball.

    If the weight is moved up towards the head of your racquet, it will have more of an impact because of centrifugal force, but your trade off is much less maneuverability and fatigue.

    So more weight on the racquet will have an impact on power and stability, even if it's at the butt end of the bat.

    I'm not a physics major, but I'm sure this is correct.
     
  11. phnx90

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    Thanks for the insight. From your post, I guess you're trying to say that regardless of whether the tape is 1 inch - 10 cm from the butt or whether the tape is in the butt cap, they'll both provide additional power and stability?

    Also, there's technically no such thing as centrifugal force :D
     
  12. cellofaan

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    Here's a great post from corners about adding lead to the handle.


     
  13. phnx90

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    That is quite a brilliant explanation; I think I should try applying near the buttcap and try that out. Thanks!
     
  14. Nurigs

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    xFullCourtTenniSx thanks for the great guide about lead tapes.

    I customized my 2 blx 6.1s,
    first one is depolarized- i add 6 grams of lead tape to 3 and 9 oclock. (weights are equally added,) and 6 grams at 7 inch from the buttcap.

    This one has definitely better serve and volley, it was pretty consistent, just the problem was,it was hard to control the projection of powerfull strokes.(btw i use luxilon alu power 25-24kg) so i think as it was mentioned before, you must have 27kg or so tension for better control at depolarized setup.

    My second Blx, i add only 4 grams to 12oclock, strung with techfbr x-1 biphase at (25kg). This polarized one needed totally spin, otherwise it was also hard to control depth and.

    Hmm, which one i use now? well, i am still in between, but i felt like, depolarized was easier and much more safe, but polarized setup,which was harded to be consistent, gave me great advantage to push my opponents out of the court. sorry for any eng.mistakes,it was just a quick post.
     
  15. ccelis

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    HI everyone,
    I have a racquet that in stock form I like, but when I add my preffered over grip which is very thick and soft, it seems to add just enough weight to make my racquet more headlight than I like. I want to add some lead to the head of the racquet to counter balance, but was wondering where the best location to add the lead to, so that it will not change the current location of the sweet spot.
    Any suggestions?

    Thanks
     
  16. Nurigs

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    As far as i know, adding lead to 12 oclock will bring the sweet spot up, so adding lead to 3 and 9 oclock will keep it almost same, but it will expand sweet spot more to the edges.
     
  17. namui

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    Minimal adjustment to try out is to cut the overgrip shorter so that it is wrapped only from butt up to just enough for your regular gripping. Larger overlap to keep the wrapping shorter may work similarly, but cutting the top part shorter has given me noticeably better results (for me).
     
  18. karophiteblu

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    Does swingweight matter much more than static weight when it comes to tiring you out? If you had a racket that had similar swingweight, but the static weight is like .3 oz more, would it create a noticeable difference in fatigue after a long hitting session?
     
  19. jigrino

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    XFullCourtTenniSX,

    No matter how much attention I put to racket specs when choosing one, I never got lucky to like a stick in stock form. Never. Replacing the grip, experimenting with polys, multis, gut (or combination of any two in mains and crosses at different tensions), a little weights here, and a little more weights there, is a ritual I always go through with new rackets.

    Want to say that I learned more about weights customization in this thread than from any other source elsewhere. This sure is an enriching learning experience! Now there is science to what just used to be (for me) a frustrating trial and error experimentation.

    Big thanks to you good buddy and to those who contributed to this great thread. You all have done me a great help.
     
  20. alupower

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    After reading this post, I added 4 grams of lead at 12 oclock (10 to 2 since it is a long lead tape).
    It helped a lot with my serve, easy to serve with, and my ground strokes became heavy. I love this set up!!!!!
    Thanks man!
     
  21. TheLambsheadrep

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    xFullCourtTenniSx, I have 3 1998 Twin Tube Tour OS Radicals and 3 Ti. Carbon rackets. I have measured balances of all rackets, and for the TT Tours I have one at 9-10 points headlight, 8-9 pts hl, and 6-7 pts hl. For the Ti's, I have one at 4-5 points headlight, 3-4 pts hl, and 1-2 pts hl. I have protection tape on all of the bumpers and tournagrip on all the base grips (gamma contours). I measured all the weights with a non-digital scale (going to digital soon), and surprisingly all 6 seemed to be right about 12oz strung. I have not altered the frames in any way, so

    -are these slight differences in balance normal?

    -if the weights are done more accurately but have the same results, will it be easy to correct the balances with lead tape?

    -should I try to get all 6 frames to have the same weight and balance, or just to have each group of 3 have their own same specs?

    -what is the balance point where a racket goes from polarized to depolarized? for example, right now, one of the ti carbons is 3-4 points head light. is that closer to the polarized or depolarized end of the spectrum?

    -will adding lead tape damage the paint job (ex. paint at 3 and 9)?

    I have been reading a lot of you work, and in this thread you offer how much and where to add lead tape for different scenarios. Here's mine- like mentioned above, I want at least the 2 groups of rackets to have the same balance and weight. along with that, I would really like to add lead in a way to increase spin production and/or decrease power. can this be done?
     
  22. HEADfamilydynasty

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    This Thread has been extremely helpful. I am customizing my rackets for the first time and thanks to xFullCourtTenniSx i was able to find a great setup relatively quickly. i find that depolarized helps my game tremendously. i don't need extra topspin as can generate enough myself. my serves have so much more heft, spin, and control than ever that i find it hard not to come in behind them(so munch so that when playing with my brother yesterday he coudn't react to a body serve i hit & he got hit in the face, he was alright but just surprised at how much faster my serves were with the depolarized setup. i rely a lot on my service return so i need to be able able to control hard incoming serves. i can still hit short angles and even better their untouchable because unless you see it coming you won't see the ball until it lands short in the box and explodes off the court out wide. So again xFullCourtTenniSx Thank You! You have my first customization experience painless and enjoyable.:)
     
  23. TheLambsheadrep

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    to test, can you put lead tape under protective tape of the bumper until you need to change strings, where you would then put the lead under the bumper?

    and if the stickiness has worn off the replacement base grip, could you use double sided tape, would that have the same amount of stickiness?
     
  24. Arthuro

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    What do y'all find to be the best diameter? .25 or .50
     
  25. Fuji

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    .25. It's easier to add exact amounts, plus it actually fits on thin beamed rackets! :)

    -Fuji
     
  26. DoctorBackhand

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    What are the effects of adding lead tape at 5&7 or 4&8?
     
  27. Veninga

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    what about lead at 3/9 o'clock AND at 12.

    Guys,

    Polarising means increasing the relative weight differences in the stick. So every gram of lead far away of the balance point will polarise. If you do at both ends of the stick, the balance remains the same. More polarised means more spinny shots (if ur technique remains the same of course).

    We also know that putting lead on 3/9 o'clock increases stability. This is because of the increased twistweight. In normal words: the stick will remain more on his swing course when it hits the ball than with a lower twistweight.

    So if you want to increase spinnyness and stability, why we wont combine lead at 9/3 and at 12. And if you want no change in your balance, counterbalance it.

    My personal experience is that you will experience more power, more stability and also more spinnyness. Stronger serves, with more kick. Deeper shots, better slices, better volleys. One minor, my shots got longer and longer, so i really needed to spin. But maybe this is just my feeling.

    Does this makes sense to you guys? Or do i miss something? Plz respond.
     
  28. Larrysümmers

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    after sometime of using a lot of rackets, and lead tape setups, i will try to answer your qestions the best i can:
    I have found that if the swing stays the same, the heavier swing wt will produce more spin than a lighter one. lets say you have an apdc and you polorized it with the lead at 12 and butt. its 335g and swingwt is 360. that racket is going to have more spin power etc than the 335g but 340 swingwt. depolorized racket. but i have found that the 335g 360swWt will produce the same spin power polorized or deporloized
     
  29. levy1

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    You will need to add it at 12 to offset the overgrip which usually weight around 7 grams. You can buy a cheap scale as you learn and play more and get the stick dialed in. Tennis lead is 1 gram for 2 inches but I buy lead in the golf shop as it is heavier, 1 gram to 1 inch. If you use bumper tape remember it is around 2 grams depending on the brand.
     
  30. Veninga

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    Thanks. I think you are right, i experience the same. Also the static weight vs swing weight factor can in or decrease spinnyness a lot.
     
  31. jaybear1909

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    Thanks for the thread. Very helpful!
     
  32. olliess

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    That works, but it also means adding more lead.

    You could also put your lead at 10 and 2 and get sort of a compromise, where the weight does something for twisting stability (but not as much as at 9/3) and something for swing weight (more than 9/3 but less than at 12).

    Or any other combination.
     
  33. TennisCJC

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    I have a scale and most 1/4 wide lead tape is 4 inches = 1 gram. 1/2 wide lead tape is 2 inches = 1 gram. In fact, it is usually a wee bit more than 4 inches of 1/4 tape to = 1 gram after the backing has been removed, but 4" is very close.

    Are you referring to 1/2 wide tape?

    This is true of the Unique, Gamma and reels of TW lead tape in 1/4 inch width.
     
  34. Rozroz

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    Hi.
    i just bought some tecnifibre pre cut tape (2g each),
    and i found this reply to be closest to my need (also PDGT).

    as a 4.0 player, without going into all the theories (still a bit confused on all the swingweight stuff), can someone try to help me on this:

    i feel i need a bit more head weight, i feel i need more control, no need for more power (the PD has enough), keep the spin as is, and not changing the sweetspot too much.

    is 3&9 is my best bet to start?
    or something else?

    thanks!
     
  35. djNEiGht

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    3&9 for me increases stability especially on heavier incoming tennis balls. Start with one strip and add as you test. Also consider bumper guard tape to go from 3 to 9.

    Also consider the balance of the racquet...do you want it to stay the same or be more head heavy. Counter balance at the throat or handle
     
  36. Rozroz

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    thanks.
    i do want the head to be a bit more heavy.
    i read at TW that 12 position is best for Increasing Swingweight with Minimal Added Weight. so your testing proved 3&9 to be better for that?
    also, my sweetspot wear is now quite at center, perhaps an inch higher.
    3&9 will keep it there? or 12?
     
  37. Rozroz

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    anyone, please?
     
  38. olliess

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    Swingweight is a well-defined thing that can be measured (or calculated unambiguously from other measurements). There's no subjective component to determining the number.

    Weight at 12 is about twice as effective, swingweight-wise, as weight at 3 and 9. If you want "Increasing Swingweight with Minimal Added Weight," then 12 is the place to put your lead.

    However, the weight at 3 and 9 gives you maximum additional twisting stability, while 12 gives you none.

    You can mix and match and put some weight at 12 and some at 3 and 9. Or you can put all the weight at 10 and 2. Or any combination. Which setup you like the best is what you'll need to test out yourself.
     
  39. Rozroz

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    thanks for helping..
    i just wanted to be sure how NOT to change the sweetspot position too much.
     
  40. djNEiGht

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    I think that lead at 12 is suppose o raise the sweet spot. If you don't need to much it shouldn't. Try 10&2 as a compromise
     
  41. olliess

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    The sweet spot will move toward the extra mass, so if you put a lead close to the current sweet spot between 9 and 3 (as the prev. poster said, 10 and 2 will be close enough) then the position won't change much.
     
  42. Rozroz

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    thanks.
    put 4g at 3&9.
    hope to feel something.
    btw- how to peel of the tape with no damage to the paint?
    does it suppose to just peel of easily or should i warm up the tape with a lighter or something?
     
  43. TimothyO

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    Depends on the frame and location on the frame.

    My Pure Storms seem to lose paint easily.

    My 300 loses paint on certain areas. I tried tape in the throat and when removed ripped off all the spec text!
     
  44. Rozroz

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    :(
    no one discussed about THIS, somehow.
    anyone tried any tricks on peeling the tape more carefully?
     
  45. Maui19

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    Anything that has adhesive backing (such as lead tape) comes off more easily when heated lightly. Usually a little heating with a blow dryer will make the adhesive release more easily. You don't want to heat it enough to soften the paint.
     
  46. Rozroz

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    hmmm.. blow dryer. nice :)
    good one, mate.
    thanks.
     
  47. Bazinky

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    Tried my first lead tape experiment last night. As a little background, I'm a former Div. I college scholarship player returning to the game after a long layoff (my little girl has rekindled my interest in the game :)). I took up golf after college, and soon got into tinkering with clubs, so I figured I would try something similar with my rackets once I got back into tennis. I wasn't much of gear head when I was playing, and just used stock sticks.

    Added 4 grams of lead at 3, 4 grams of lead at 9 and 2 grams of lead at 12 to a prince exo3 graphite 93 (hole inserts with leather with an overgrip). I was literally blown away at how great the racket felt. The stock version felt nice, but the lead really seemed to make the racket come alive. Now, I just need to decide whether to keep experimenting or just stick with the set-up I have now ...
     
  48. mxmx

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    Can someone please help me to choose the right amount of lead?
    I am new to customising stock :p

    My racket will be Prince exo tour 100 ( 16x18 )

    My specs are probably exactly above and i probably need to base it on that ^ (c) except that i do not constantly use a lot of spin on the forehand, but rather mix it up instead. I hit a lot of flatter low spin shots with pace, and only sometimes use the more extreme spin to gain more persentage.

    My kick serve is my weapon...and although my first serve has improved, generating pace will be rather important.

    So what i need:
    - lead at 3 & 9
    - Lead wrapped at the lowest part of the handle under the grips.
    - I want my racket to be predominantly head light...but it need not be as head light as the stock form cause i want stability and plough through on the 1st serve especially. I think the first serve is the only shot i may have problems generating similar pace than i did with my speedport black (team).

    I play better with lighter rackets and would like the least possible lead that would actually make a difference.

    Help would be much appreciated :)

    ps. I measured a plastic cap of some sort to get the feel for weight on a electronic scale....and it weighed a full 5g! 5g feels VERY light...do you guys really notice much change with so little weight?
     
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  49. djNEiGht

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    I helped my brother in law on an AG100...i put lead at 3/9 and at the throat. i also put bumper guard tape from 3 to 9. this seemed to give it more stability and also balance out to the 200 that he was very comfortable playing with.

    also don't get caught up too much with customizing with lead...sometimes it's a head game...
     
  50. mxmx

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    I fully agree that often its a head game...

    But with the rackets i got, its almost an exception as one cannot deny the amount of people raving about customising that particular racket. I think based on such a light, low powered and flexible racket, it is worth looking or at least trying lead...So many people prefer the tour customised as to stock...and i can understand why when you look at the stock specs of it...
     

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