The Official Lead Tape Placement+Racket Customization Thread

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  1. anubis

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    I'll join the party. Been feeling lately that my APD is being "pushed around" by heavier balls. In a mixed doubles session, it absolutely dominates in stock form. But when I'm hitting with heavy hitters, it needs more oomph behind it.

    I added 4g of lead at 11 and 1:00. Basically, four 4" strips, one on each side of the inner hoop.

    the reason I did it at 11 and 1 is merely for stringing convenience. If I added it at noon, then my stringing clamps would crush the lead tape.

    I think it feels great now. I don't have to swing quite as hard to maintain the same pace that I normally have. And, I didn't add so much that it affects the playability. I would like to add some counterweight to it though in the handle some day...
     
  2. Power Player

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    Aren't you the guy who is a 3.0? there is no way your stick gets pushed around by "heavy balls" at that level. There are no heavy hitters at 3.0 or 3.5. Just learn to hit with timing and work on your technique. This whole getting pushed around thing is out of control.
     
  3. luishcorreia

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    There are heavy hitters at 3.5. At least they seem heavy to other 3.5's.

    I've seen 3.5's hit with a lot of pace.... They are just not consistent at it
     
  4. Power Player

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    Not consistently heavy enough to push around a racquet. I think people are late to the ball and should probably worry about their footwork and timing.
     
  5. Relinquis

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    are you talking about volleying fast passing shot attempts or rallying from the baseline?

    If from the baseline its definitely technique/movement related. Even at the net you should be ok as long as you volley in front of you, tennis is played in front, make contact ahead of your body not to the side.

    You will want to counterweight it. 4 grams is a significant amount to add to the hoop.
     
  6. mikeespinmusic

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    The main thing is it's working out for him :)
     
  7. officerdibble

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    Advice and Suggestions Appreciated

    I've started experimenting with adding lead to my racquets and, so far, have had a mixed experience.

    My main issue is that I want to add more weight to my shots. I've just experimented with a polarised set up and have come to the conclusion that, whilst the extra weight of shot is definitely there, it exacerbates my excessive top spin in an unhelpful way: the ball is spending too long in the air and on slow courts it's too easy to run down.

    Would I be right in thinking that what I should do is tweak my original set up in a depolarised way?

    The original specs (unstrung) were as follows:
    - 320gms
    - 314mm balance (standard length frame)

    Thoughts, suggestions, advice, pointers... all welcome.
     
  8. IA-SteveB

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    It sounds to me like you have just made the racquet too heavy for your playing style. You added weight but are probably swinging slower because of it. How much weight did you add out of curiosity? I only ask because when I was first getting into it, I had way too much weight on it. It was great at the net, but a caveman's club elsewhere on the court.
     
  9. officerdibble

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    I only added 4gs at 12 (spread across the top ten mains) and 1g at the butt cap on one racquet.

    Another I tried was set up to be much more polarised but at the same overall weight and balance (I was able to tune the original racquet weights in that one).

    My strong suspicion is that I hit with too much tops spin on my forehand and anything that enhances spin is more of a hindrance than a benefit - but I could be wrong!
     
  10. Lilguy1456

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    Big +1 on this.

    Players at VERY high levels play with relatively light racquets. If you're getting 'pushed,' then you're probably simply late. APD should have plenty of mass to handle any/all shots he'll be facing.
     
  11. mkedda

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    I have 2 Head IG Speed 300. I like the racquet for the spin I get but I feel it lacks power. I want to add power and with a weight of 11.1 and swingweight of 308, I think I have room to add 0.5 ounces comfortably.

    I want to keep the current spin and increase power. How should I do it? Is 0.5 too little or too much?

    4.5 baseliner with big topspin and mostly spin serve.
     
  12. officerdibble

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    Personally, I wouldn't take what you could add comfortably from theory / what other racket specs imply: my experience is that 4g extra at the head is a noticeable difference in terms of change of weight of shot (I'd also recommend keeping the balance the same approximately so add 1g or 2g to the other end).

    My (very recent - just back from the court) experience - hitting with a BIG guy who has a 115mph+ serve and matching forehand - is that 3 & 9 is the place to go with the extra lead: if you are adding thin strips consider doing what Pat Cash does and going over a wider area, centered around 3 & 9.

    This will keep most things the same in the playing characteristics but give you the extra oomph you're seeking.

    I find it is less forgiving on late preparation, but that seems to serve as an incentive to prepare earlier!

    I can't vouch for the fatigue factor, but I'm working on the basis that the easier access to consistent power at a lower swing speed compensates somewhat for the extra mass (and it's only a small amount after all).

    Just my vote, based on current tests of my own (and it sounds like we're share some similarities of playing style).
     
  13. filphil

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    So would a racket with lead centered around 3 & 9 be more stable than a higher swing weight racket?

    How heavily does swing weight translate to stability and vice versa? I don't think there's just one school of thought either.
     
  14. officerdibble

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    I expect there are people here who can give you theories, but my view is that the idiosyncrasies of people's swings mean you need to experiment. For example, I use a lot of top spin - too much - and my tendency is to get a little too close to the ball. This means moving the sweet spot further up the swing bed is counterproductive (which happens with lead at 12 o'clock).

    Lead at 3&9 adds more mass with less effect on the playing characteristics of the racket. Putting it at 12 changes quite a lot; it must affect how the racket flexes to some extent, for instance. This is less of an issue with 3 and 9 - which is why, on the basis of my limited experience, it is where I would suggest starting to experiment.
     
  15. Attila_the_gorilla

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    My issue has been the excessive swingweight and power I've gained by creating a rock solid, stable racket. I need to consciously slow down my swing, otherwise the ball always goes long.
    So I've moved some of the lead from 3 and 9 to the throat, hopefully getting rid of some of the swing weight but still keeping some torsional stability.

    If you like heavy rackets like I do, then the best thing to do is to get something that is pretty hefty in its stock form, very head light and has a very low swing weight. Then you can add a bit of stability/heft without making the racket too powerful.
     
  16. The Isomotion31

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    I decided to try and give tungsten tape a try.

    I put 4g at 3 and 9 on my pdr gt +. Feels good pretty good.
     
  17. filphil

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    Have you tried taking full, very fast swings? Assuming a modern top spin stroke, does that keep your ball in?
     
  18. Attila_the_gorilla

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    Well I'm only a beginner, picked up the game about a year ago, I use less topspin and prefer to hit flat. My technique is probably not quite textbook, so I can only compare the results I get with different custom settings.
    I've been practicing with a Pro Staff 85 so the swings hat work for hat racket, don't work for my playing rackets.

    At the moment it feels like a racket with less power suits me better.

    My serve loves the extra swingweight but my groundstrokes struggle to keep the ball in with my normal swing.
     
  19. IA-SteveB

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    One thing I have been wondering about is weight distribution. Say you are putting 3g total at 3 and 9 o'clock. I have golf club tape that is 1"=1.5g and I have seen tennis tape that is 1"=.25g. Is there any difference between having long strips of tape centered at 3 and 9 compared to just a 1" strip? I wouldn't think so, but I am not sure.
     
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  20. Overdrive

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    Could it be that the golf tape is wider? Maybe 3/4" or 1"?

    1"=.25g applies for 1/4 tape.
     
  21. IA-SteveB

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    No. The golf tape is thicker and just a hair over 1/4" wide.
     
  22. Arize

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    Hate to bring this thread out but does anyone know for a fact how much lead tape at 12 o clock will increase the swingweight by 1 point? Apologies I did not scan the entire thread as it was pretty long, thanks in advance.
     
  23. Stardust

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    exactly 0.33 gr. :)
     
  24. Overdrive

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    I just calculated my specs:

    Weight: 14.55 oz
    Balance: 5,8 HL
    SW: 375.6
    Power index % (center): 45.36
    Plow index % (center): 34.3

    :eek:
     
  25. arche3

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    Wow. Just wow.
     
  26. Overdrive

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    How do you calculate RA (stiffness) ?
     
  27. arche3

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    I think you need one of those babolat machines.
     
  28. corbind

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    Interesting thread
     
  29. Overdrive

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    I've been struggling with some TE lately and have been looking at acquiring a more arm friendly stick. In the meantime, I'd like to try and mod my k blade 98. It is still in stock form (aussie stock, 304g unstrung, 325g currently strung with babolat magic force). Would replacing the original grip with a leather grip help make it more headlight? Or would it better to just add some lead tape between the original grip and an overgrip? I also have the most recent model of the blade 93 and I like the weight of it. Any suggestions regarding lead tape for the k blade 98? I want it more headlight, and a little better for my elbow?

    Currently demoing Pro Staff 95, Volkl Organix 10 325 and looking for a Power Bridge 10 Mid. Cheers.
     
  31. sovertennis

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    OP, many thanks for your post. It's very informative.

    Question (and excuse me if it's been answered previously; this is a long thread and I didn't read all): what, aside from lead tape, may be effectively used as a counterbalance under the butt cap)?
     
  32. Overdrive

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    ^

    Silicone
     
  33. PED

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    Tungsten putty is excellent. I've gotten a few sticks customized by TW and they use the putty.

    It's like working with silly putty, TBH, it will take any form you need and stays put with no rattling.


    It's dense and easy to work with. Used to use lead fishing weights but the putty is much more effective.
     
  34. srimes

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    Lead weights and hot glue. I see silicone is popular, but hot glue is cheap and quick.
     
  35. Ross K

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    Interesting that it's what TW use themselves. Will have to check it out. I've recently gone back to using the fishing weights with some of my racketaholic experiments (remember you recommended them to me previously and I was a big fan where my old APD/O's were concerned)... this putty sounds like a slight advance though.
     
  36. The Isomotion31

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    Welp the tungsten tape fell off. One of the strips on a mishit.

    I have decided to take this as an opportunity to go 6gs lead tape total at 3 and 9 in the hoop and put 3gs of lead under a new leather grip. Will get to play with it on Sautrday.
     
  37. sovertennis

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    Like Iso (above) I, too, took this as a chance to tweak my frames. The first thing I found was that one weighs about 8g more than the other (both are strung, with overwrap and dampener). I took the lighter one and added 6g of lead tape (at 9 and 3) and 2g in the butt cap. I like it much better this way, although I think I'll take the weight out of the butt cap and add it at the prescribed 7" above the cap and see how that feels. Here's my question: How much (and where) would I add tape to the heavier of the two frames so that both feel about the same? They don't have to be identical, but close would be good. Thanks.
     
  38. Lautrec

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    I have a question. Is this a good brand? Does the brand matter at all?

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  39. kevo82

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    I also got Tourna lead tape, because Gamma wasn't in stock.

    It doesn't matter the brand...I even read that Gamma it doesn't sticks that good to the racquet. About Tourna I don't know...I haven't received it yet.

    But I also want to know what brand does Priority 1 uses.
     
  40. Lautrec

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    Okay, so I'm choosing between Gamma, Tourna and Wilson. Is any of these brands known to be better in some way (maybe best adhesive)?
     
  41. yemenmocha

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    Tourna comes from a round packaging which is better because the folded Gamma tap has creases in it, and sometimes those creases can be tough to flatten out nicely when applied to your racquet.
     
  42. Lautrec

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    Thanks yemenmocha.
     
  43. corbind

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    Correct...I've tried them all and the folded ones are, eh, not fun.

    Roll lead tape (prettier application)
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Tourna_Lead_Tape/descpageUNIQUE-PSLT.html

    Folded (which is often uglier when applied)
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Gamma_Lead_Weight_Tape_1_4_inch/descpageGAMMA-LEADQUAR.html
     
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    I actually read every single post in this thread.. made time pass really quickly at work today :D I've noticed a lot of people recently posting redundant questions or just all-around stupid questions. Please read thru the thread or look at the OP before posting..80% of the recent questions have already been answered MULTIPLE times.
     
  45. Overdrive

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    I already figured out my questions, so I'm just going to edit them.
     
  46. djNEiGht

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    might as well save your post and put it in every other thread on here. Don't loose sleep over it and enjoy the forum traffic
     
  47. xpaulinabearx

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    Hey, I want to add some lead tape to my Pure Drive Roddick GT, but i'm not sure if i should add at 3 and 9 or 2 and 10. The racket feels too light for me (i've been playing with a prince exo3 rebel 95 and the weight is PERFECT!), I would like to get better feel (racket feels a little dead), and more plow through on groundstrokes.
     
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  48. djNEiGht

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    consider that you will change the balance and that adding weight to the handle might also be needed.

    Other than that, experiment and see what you like. I liked lead at 3/9 and helped on off centered shot and my volley
     
  49. Overdrive

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    Isn't the Roddick already an overpowered rocket launcher?
     
  50. xpaulinabearx

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    I meant plow through instead of power..sorry about that. Don't know why I wrote power/plow through lol.
     

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