The Official Lead Tape Placement+Racket Customization Thread

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  1. Overdrive

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    Hmm... I don't want to give you incorrect advice, so I suggest you read the original post. He explained it quite well. :)

    P.S. Make sure you have more than enough lead at your disposal.
     
  2. TennisCJC

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    Start with 1 gram at 3 o'c and 1 gram at 9 o'c. Counter with 1 gram 2" from end of handle and 1 gram 7" from end of handle. If you want more plow, increase all locations to 2 grams each.
     
  3. JanowiczJ

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    Sorry people, I couldn't find a better thread to ask this. Since english is not my first language while using TWU customization tool I came with a problem. I cannot understand what value I should put at the "width" column.

    For example, I added 12grams of 1/4 lead in stripes placed from 9o'c to 10 o'c and from 2o'c to 3o'c in the internal part of the head of the racquet (close to the strings). So what value should I put at the W columns?

    I also added half a gram at 12 o'c but I'm not sure if this effects the twistweight value.
     
  4. The Isomotion31

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    is it the +?

    My current set up for my PDRGT(was a plus, but I cut it down) is 2.5 grams at 3 and 9. with 5 grams in the handle underneath a leather grip and overgrip.

    Love the way it feels especially at net when someone lines a hard groundstroke at me.

    Added great stability for me. I liked the balance of the stock PDRGT so I kept it as is.
     
  5. nootles

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    Can someone give me an estimate on this?
    How much can I expect the sweet spot to move if I add 7g at 12 on a 90 inch^2 frame?

    Thank you
     
  6. ilovetennis212

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    No one can answer your question since you don't tell your racquets weight and swing weight.
    Try this
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customization.php
     
  7. IA-SteveB

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    I learned a little lesson last night on the courts. I use golf club lead tape on my racquet for weighting. It sticks just fine and stays in place, but for whatever reason I lost one. My shots were doing funny things and I finally noticed I had lost it. Once I stuck it back on things were fine.

    Golf club lead tape is thicker and thus shorter sections are needed when compared to tennis racquet tape and it works well for me at least.
     
  8. TennisCJC

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    Personally, I would spread that much weight out - maybe centered at 12 but stretching from 10:30 to 1:30 across the top.

    If you use shorter strips - say 4" strips centered at noon; I can only say the upper center of the racket would play better as the sweet spot would stretch up toward noon. If you spread the weight out more, I think it would raise and widen the sweet spot.

    I have no idea how to measure the difference as my knowledge is just based on practical experience, or trial and error in other words. But, I like a little lead under the bumper to add swing weight, and to raise and widen the sweet spot. The center and lower center still plays nice so I don't think it lifts the sweetspot but it does stretch the sweet spot in my opinion.
     
  9. nootles

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    Sorry about that. My racquet is a K90. Starting with 357g and swingweight of 333. I measured swingweight using the instructions on tennis warehouse university. This brought the racquet to 364g and 353-355 swingweght

    I first added 5g using 4.25" strips centered at 12. Later I added 2g using 4" strips centered at 12.

    I'm wondering if this setup would have moved the sweet spot by more than 1 inch. I hit with this setup and the impact didn't feel as crisp as before.
     
  10. Laba

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    I just picked up a Redondo 98 via local trading site and noticed that it has been modded with lead tape. I'm not familiar with racquet customization so was wondering if anyone could estimate how many grams has been added to either side? They are fairly long strips, two on each side of the frame from 8-10 and 2-4. With the leather grip and the lead in hoop the frame weighs 350g. What benefit would the long strips provide in a racquet like this? Cheers.


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  11. HHim

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    Hi guys, I currently own a Graphene Speed Rev and it I'm trying to customise it so it's more head-light and increase the weight which I think it's currently too light.

    It is currently 262 g, 2 pts HH (even although it says it's even). My goal is to try make it 3-4 pts HL and do this by adding weight underneath the replacement grip so it is easy to add/remove weight if I need more customisation.

    How much weight do you guys think I should add roughly to the handle? I tried TW customisation but it keeps telling me to add weight somewhere at the top but I mainly just want to counterbalance my current racket by adding weight to the handle.
     
  12. BigT

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    So what's the verdict on the best way to add about 15g to the buttcap, on a racquet with no trap door and silicone already in the handle (TFight TP).? I'm a bit hesitant to remove/replace staples, buttcap , etc.
     
  13. Fuji

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    1/2 inch lead tape distributed evenly along the buttcap. It builds it up a little, but its worth it if you need that extra weight.

    -Fuji
     
  14. TennisCJC

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    I do something similar to what Fuji describes.

    Remove all grips and leave the butt cap on. Then either wrap 1/4" or 1/2" wide lead tape around the pallet. Or, you can run strips of lead tape up the handle from just above the butt cap. If you want to move balance the most with the least amount of weight, wrap the strips around the pallet just above where the butt cap ends. I will not use more than 2 layers - 1 strip layered on top of another. If I need more weight than 2 layers allow, I just put the next strip right above the first strip and move up the pallet away from the butt cap in this manner.

    You can also buy a thin replacement grip such as the Babolat Skin Feel so the lead tape does not make the grip larger.

    The skin feel grip must be dense too because even though it is thinner than most grips, it usually adds 3 or 4 grams more in weight to stock Wilson and volkl synthetic grips.

    Also, a leather grip would add handle weight too. You can get some leather grips that are fairly thin so you could combine leather and lead tape on the pallet without the grip size increasing significantly.
     
  15. BigT

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    ^^ thanks for the suggestions.

    You wouldn't wrap the lead directly on the buttcap? Trying to get them as HL as possible.
     
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    I would wrap it right around the buttcap, but since I usually flair mine out it's a non-issue.

    Cheers,

    -Fuji
     
  18. hrstrat57

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    The thinnest avail TW leather grip is perfect for this well described technique.
     
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    Remember, don't put too much weight a racquet!
     
  20. Overdrive

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    How does it compare towards the Volkl and BB leather grip?
     
  21. hrstrat57

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    Yep, I always start with swopping for a leather grip next step if needed is add the difference between the leather and stock grip in weight to the hoop. Most frames respond best to 3/9 but 10/2 is an experiment I always try. Pure Drive responds best to lead at 12 usually IMHO....

    Start with leather and experiment.....it's fun!!!
     
  22. hrstrat57

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    I use either TW or Babolat....have some vintage frames with Fairway.

    TW is on my 4 5/8 grip frames, they play pretty close to 4 1/2....and feel similar enough to my 4 1/2 grip frames which have Babolat to be able to swop back and forth with no worries.

    I am not confident ripping off Head pallets....my frames in play primarily are in my signature...1 of the iprestige is 4 5/8 and the matched pair of iradical MP L5 austrian frames are 4 5/8 as well. Those 3 have TW thinnest...all the other Head frames have Babolat except the prostock which has Head leather of course....

    I rarely almost never use any overgrip btw...
     
  23. Overdrive

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    Oh... I may have to try it out and see. There are a few people that don't use overgrips (that I know of). I take mine off after a match. That is why I purchase in bulk.

    The cost of leather grips racks up quickly if you are trying to match all of your frames..
     
  24. fuzzfactory

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    All this talk of lead tape and not much info on what you guys have as your set up! I have 6g@11-1 and 4g@the buttcap, seems to be working great for me
     
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    Mine's a secret.. :cool:
     
  26. Fuji

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    No lead on my 99S, just 15grams of bluetack shoved in the buttcap. :razz:

    -Fuji
     
  27. CamG

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    6 grams at 3 o'clock and 6 grams at 9 o'clock
    4 grams in the throat
     
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    I've found the best solution for all my racquets is to put poster putty directly on the outside of the butt cap. It sticks quite well and can be removed/modified in seconds. Costs is all of $1.50 at your local Walmart.


    http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/cntct_putty/overview/Loctite-Fun-Tak-Mounting-Putty.htm
     
  30. three.dee

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    Hello everybody, I love this thread and it enlightened me a lot!

    I own a Babolat AeroPro Drive 2013 (http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_AeroPro_Drive/descpageRCBAB-APD13.html) and I love it, but I would like to make it better :), here's what I would like to achieve:
    - polarized setup (if I got this right, this means lead at 12 o'clock and buttcap)
    - stability increase (again, if I got this right, this means lead at 3 and 9 o'clock)
    - enlarge the sweetspot
    - keep the balance!
    This being said, three questions arise:
    1. What is minimum amount of lead that I should apply overall to start feeling a noticeable difference?
    2. How should I distribute the above amount of lead, meaning how many grams in each position (12, 9, 3 o'clock and buttcap)?
    3. Regarding the 12 o'clock position should I go for small lead pieces or long strip (I'm thinking long strip since I want a larger sweetspot)?

    Thank you in advance!

    Please excuse my english!
     
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    On the outside of the butt cap. You know how you spin the racquet and opponent calls up or down to see who serves? Cover up the letter or symbol on your butt cap with the putty. I'll post a pic of mine later today.
     
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  33. pistolero

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    Thanks for this, it answered some of my questions. I read somewhere that adding weight in the handle (like using a leather grip), increases power when it actually increases stability. I suspect the added stability felt like "power."

    From my experience, increasing the head weight helps the western grip; more spin. It also decreases accuracy; better crosscourt, worse down the line.

    V good thread.
     
  34. rosewall4ever

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    lead placement at hand postion & top of handle

    Can someone link to me disscusions posted on TT about topics above, or tell me the reasons/explainations there are (if any), apart from power and counterweighting...

    A mate of mine says he puts a couple of grams at the top of the handle for stability in a polarised setup... i was wondering what effect it would have on his strokes

    There has also been others in TT of placing weight at about the position of the hand on the handle...whats the benifit of this?
     
  35. pistolero

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    A the end of the day, it's what feels right for you. Have said that ---

    Weight at the top of the handle is often added in good quantity to counter the sum of weight added to the head, mainly the 9 & 3 spots in a polarized setup. It does have the effect of stabilizing the racquet on contact, similar to using a heavy grip (leather). This setup tend to flatten the shots, increases accuracy and good for volleys.

    Weight beneath the hand is added as counterbalance to weight added at the top of the head in a polarized setup. It acts as a poor stabilizer though does better the racquet's maneuverability.
     
  36. corbind

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  37. BigT

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    15g might be too much for that route. Looks like wrapping lead around the butt cap is the way to go. Trap doors are much easier...
     
  38. three.dee

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    Any input on what I've wrote above? :)
     
  39. Shroud

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    my 2 cents is that you should go slow.

    Start with 1-2 grams at the tip and the same amount on the buttcap.

    Maybe get a small coin and some blue tak or rope caulk and attach the coin to the buttcap. Though weigh it all before putting it on the buttcap. THen put the same amount of lead at the top.

    This is just a test and you can keep adding until you find what you are looking for. Then maybe work on more permanent means like silicone and lead under the bumper, etc.
     
  40. corbind

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    Shroud's knows the deal. You'd think 2 grams would not make much difference, right? I mean it sounds miniscule...all of like 1/15th of an ounce. But it can make a big difference. So adding "gobs" of weight all at once is drastic. I used to use lead tape everywhere but it took soooooo much time weighing, cutting, weighing, adhering, stacking and I'd change it too often.

    For the past couple of years I've been using poster putty you buy from Walmart for $2 and it works great. You can modify it in half a minute while out on the courts. Quick and easy solution.

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  41. corbind

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    FWIW, here are weights of coins...

    Kinda dorky, but here are weights of some U.S. coins you can attach to the butt of your racquet with some of that poster putty. Weights in grams:

    dime = 2.27 g
    penny = 2.5 g
    nickel = 5 g
    quarter = 5.67 g
    presidential dollar = 8.1 g
    half dollar = 11.34 g
     
  42. Shroud

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    Thanks Corbind! Thats great info!

    Though you made me realize I need a better scale! No wonder a quarter moves between 5g and 6g! UGH.

    Also, I have one racket that I added 25g to the buttcap with rope caulk and a brass disk I got from smallparts.com

    If I understand right you are also saying to add the putty or remove the putty on court to get the proper feel. I like that and being about to tweak on the fly is a huge advantage to fine tune. Once it feels right, you can just remove and weigh and then substitute some lead.
     
  43. corbind

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    Yea that putty is just glorious since you can tweak it at the courts. Sadly, I'm not really very good at ad-libbing and much prefer to quantify things and decide what I'll test before I get to courts. As such I have a special plastic container in my bag that always contains these increments of poster putty ready to put on my sticks or anyone else's:

    1 gram, six of them
    2 grams, six of them
    3 grams, three of them
    extra unmeasured putty
    A quarter (in case I wanna get crazy heavy on the butt cap)

    I'm such a stickler for being exact with measurements relating to modifying my sticks and always writing it down. Yet I've found out our ancestors gave us pretty good ability to take two pieces of putty and roll them into two balls that are very close in weight simply by looking at them. Crazy. So even with a quantifying mind I can just adjust whatever and weight it when I get home after the match!

    When I let others use a racquet they inevitably move putty from 3/9 to 12 or remove some from the butt cap and various combinations. I just pull it all off then weight it out and reapply where I usually have it. Yet by having friends move putty around I've found some configurations work well.

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Loctite-Corporation-2-Oz-Fun-Tak-Mounting-Putty-1087306-Set-of-12/23910407
     
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    That's where my 5G in the handle comes from. A nickel fits perfectly under the trap door with no putty needed. It doesn't even rattle. A quarter would not fit in the same manner.
     
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    I have a question. Is there a correlation between the amount of lead applied at 12 o'clock and the distance the sweet spot is raised? For example, how much will I raise the sweet spot when applying 4 grams? Will it depend on the racket's original balance?
     
  46. pistolero

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    It depends on you and your racquet. I prefer to redistribute the weight on the ps85 but enjoy the 90's with hardly any added weight, often just a couple of over grips. Every racquet is different and behaves differently to the same customization; that is, it may no longer be functioning as it was intended.

    My suggestion to anyone at the intermediate levels would be to find a suitable racquet strung w your favorite strings and get good! Once you have developed a certain type of game, then think about customizing to suite it; you may find you need a bit more stability for volleys, or want more kick on the serve, etc..

    Most all of the advanced players in my circle do not customize. They train and are more concerned about technique and conditioning.
     
  47. quest01

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    I use the babolat aero pro drive and place 2 layers of 6 inch strips of lead at the 12.
     
  48. rectoralex

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    Rookie question here: When applying lead tape for more stability, so around the 3 & 9 regions if I remember correctly, how many ounces does one typically add?
     
  49. ckhirnigs113

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    I tried to find the answer in this thread, but there was a little too much to sift through. I want to know if there is a recommended amount and placement of lead to compensate for adding an overgrip (typically 7-8 grams) to a stock racquet with the objective of maintaining the stock balance.

    My initial thought was 1-2 grams at 3 & 9, but I was wondering if anyone had a more accurate solution. I appreciate the info and really enjoyed reading most of this thread.
     
  50. pistolero

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    113 -- with the 15+grams of strings, the 7/8g's in the handle are not such a major factor, but you may just want to experiment w ~4" of sport tape at the 12. Adding at the 3&9 could shift the feel of the racquet.
     

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