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  1. Anton

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    You guys should really take Hyperion out for a spin ;)

    IMO ALU is not bad but overpriced and I pop it pretty quick.
     
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  2. Ross K

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    Is there a specific thread just for Exo users lead set ups etc? I'm sure there is one but can't find it. THX
     
  3. Anton

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    The *POP* is not there.
     
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    Please let me know how long it lasts. I think ALU is the best string I have ever hit with. I have never used a string so good that I can grab a play test stick I am not grooved to and still win a set with it. I felt so insanely confident with it.

    The sad part is I am not sure if any other string comes close.Maybe cyberflash..that is a godly string.
     
  6. Faithfulfather

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    You have to remove the grip and then remove the 4-6 staples that are in the butt cap. After removing them, the butt cap just needs to be pulled off.
     
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    I decided I will have an ALU power versus Cyberflash 17 ultimate cage match.

    The strings should be perfect in the EXO.
     
  8. el sergento

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    Awesome, my two favorite strings. I'd go 16 with the cyberflash just to max out durability, in such an open pattern 17 might be overkill.

    My 0.2c
     
  9. Power Player

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    I went 1.25 even though I agree with you. Just did that because the ALU is 1.25 as well so I want to stay consistent.

    I can not wait..and I am definitely praying the CF delivers what I need since it is so cheap.
     
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    Don't want to rain on your playtest, but you'll find that CF moves way more than the lux. The Lux stays put with minimal mouvement with NXT as a cross, and NXT is notorious for mouvement.
     
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    It moves a lot even in a full job at around 54#s?
     
  12. jk175d

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    that's a bit more trouble than I like to go to when just experimenting with a couple of grams of weight :) Too bad they don't all snap on/off easily like Babolat and Head.
     
  13. cjj14u

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    Port or grommets?

    I am thinking on getting this for it's overall arm friendliness (16x18). What would be better, port or string grommets?
     
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    i think either grommets is fine, port might be a bit more arm friendly
     
  15. Faithfulfather

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    I have two sets of the string inserts for my racquets and didn't like it at all. It really stiffens up the bed. I like the ports the best. If I'm correct all the pros use just the ports.
     
  16. Faithfulfather

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    It really isn't that bad, but I understand your reasoning. Try putting the lead under the grip.
     
  17. Champs990411

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    Tried both. Ports are friendlier and much more fun.
     
  18. TheOneHander

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    Alright guys-lead review.

    The setup: 1g @12, 1g around the top of the grip. Full BHBR 17 as usual.

    It was...okay. The polarization really made the racquet feel like it was walloping the ball, and solidity was much improved. It was a very stable, firm feeling setup (not in terms of flex) that lost all of the fluttery moments of a non-leaded Tour. Spin and power were about the same as they were stock. Overall, the solidity wasn't worth the drop in swing speed, which is just lightning-quick stock.

    So I'm going to keep playing this sans lead. I only had the 2g total on as it was all I had, but I'm not going to try the heavier amount as I really missed the whippiness stock.
     
  19. Ross K

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    Interesting. I think I also may have preferred it unleaded re 'swing ease' or whatever, but I like that extra wallop. Also, I know you can adjust over not so long a time, so I'm willing to look at other mod jobs/increases in lead amounts (I'm about to read up on ppls set ups.)

    Looking forward to another chance to see where I'm at with this frame (with the mods) later today.

    BTW, thx for above link 1her.
     
  20. Ross K

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    Exoheads,

    Just back from playing and I've got to say I'm full of harmonious vibes, peace be to all men, call me the Dalai Rossk... in short, I'm a happy boy. :)

    Following last Friday's situation when I got frustrated and even ended up pulling out my APD, today saw a marked improvement.

    Baseline depth/consistency/using the spin - WAY better... that 2hbh I was having trouble dialing in - definitely much much more of a weapon today (and btw, today I figured out a side-reason for my slight issue here previously - the fh is so fantastic with this rac I've tended to ignore my bh - haha!)... serve - placement just really accurate and good pop for flatter 1sts... over-all just a big step up consistency-wise and feeling like I'm getting more used to the Exo and its unique characteristics.

    Big match tomorrow against reg. hitting partner who had me reaching for the Bab last week. A good performance and I might well be starting to check out Exo bags and a second Exo frame in earnest. :cool:

    BTW, I really noticed today just how fast this rac gets to the ball... no wonder we're all putting lead @ 12... tell you, I might have to add a bit more.:wink:
     
  21. ChicagoJack

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    Visitor From The Head Camp Is Intrigued

    I have no idea what this frame plays like, (I've played with Volkl, Head and Fischer mostly) but I give you all a big vote for having the most enthusiastic club in all of TW. :) All the rave reviews are intriguing to me. I did have a very good demo experience with the O3 red a few years back, that is kinda sticking in the back of my head as well. Question : I tend to look at frames these days, as platforms for customization. Has anybody leaded this thing up to the 13oz range? - Jack
     
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    Disclaimer: I have never used the red racquets listed, but based on the specs, these sticks would play nothing like the Tour 100. Let's see....

    Prince EXO3 Tour 100 16X18 -- http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_EXO3_Tour_100_16X18/descpageRCPRINCE-PEX03T.html
    Head Size: 100 sq. in. / 645.16 sq. cm.
    Length: 27in / 68.58cm
    Strung Weight: 11.6oz / 328.85g -- (decent weight/plow through)
    Balance: 7 pts HL
    Swingweight: 323
    Stiffness: 52 -- (very soft on the arm with tennis elbow)
    Beam Width: 19mm / 20mm / 19mm /
    Composition: Graphite
    Power Level: Low
    Stroke Style: Full
    Swing Speed: Fast
    String Pattern: 16 Mains / 18 Crosses
    String Tension: 53-63 pounds

    Prince EXO3 Red 105 -- http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_EXO3_Red_105/descpageRCPRINCE-PEXR05.html
    Head Size: 105 sq. in. / 677 sq. cm.
    Length: 27.25in / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 10.4oz / 295g -- (low weight/plow through)
    Balance: 2 pts HL
    Swingweight: 311
    Stiffness: 63 -- (stiff)
    Beam Width: 24mm / 25mm / 25mm /
    Composition: 100% Graphite
    Power Level: Medium
    Stroke Style: Medium-Full
    Swing Speed: Medium-Fast
    String Pattern: 16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    String Tension: 55-65 pounds

    Prince O3 Original Red Racquets Midplus -- http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_O3_Original_Red_Racquets/descpageRCPRINCE-PO3R.html

    Head Size: 105 sq. in. / 677 sq. cm.
    Length: 27.25 inches / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 10.5oz / 298g -- (very low weight/plow through)
    Balance: 3pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 314
    Stiffness: 68 -- (really stiff, are you kidding me?)
    Beam Width: 23-26 mm Tapered Beam
    Composition: GraphitExtreme / Copper / Titanium / Tungsten
    Power Level: Medium
    Swing Speed: Moderate-Fast
    String Pattern: 16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    String Tension: 55-65 pounds
     
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  24. cjj14u

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    OK so sounds like port is the way to go...

    String recommendation & tension for maximum arm friendliness?

    I am a 4.0 with long strokes off both sides...
     
  25. ChicagoJack

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    Yes of course, :) and thanks for the additional commentary, but my question wasn't "Does the O3 Red play like the Exo Tour?" My question was "Has anybody leaded up the EX03 Tour up to the 13oz Range?" I mentioned the 03 Red only in passing because it's just about the only Prince stick I have any experience at all with. - Jack
     
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  26. Champs990411

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    Based on advice in places on the board, I went with Head Rip Control. I'm 4.5+, long fast swings, and 58 (on a Klipper) was nearly perfect. Sooo soft. Went with 60 next job but haven't used it yet. Can see myself settling on 59. 56 would probably be a good place to start for you. The racket is powerful so can't see going too low with a non-poly.

    Second frame I got from a big store where The Wire took place came with free Prince strings so I got PSGD at 60 and it was a tad crisper but still comfy and fun.
     
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  28. adso1973

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    well I have a brand new exo 100 18x20 with me, so you can sign me in!
     
  29. Faithfulfather

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    Can you change my strings to full gut 58lbs.
     
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    Faithfulfather,

    Can you give us a quick update on how you're liking the full bed gut?

    I've got one strung with full bed psgd and another with full bed nxt tour. want to get my third with full bed gut but hoping to zero in on desired tension before getting it strung.
     
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    I had both strung with gut @ 58 lbs. Racquet one was strung with Klip Legend 16 and racquet 2 with Tonic 16 with bt7. I am stickler for string movement (I don't know why). The Klip is crisper and has less power than the tonic. The tonic is more powerful and softer. Control was excellent with both. The only reason I choose Klip over Tonic is it is cheaper and had less string movement. Klip has almost zero movement while the tonic had much more movement. The tonic had a noticeably better feel for sure. The Klip had slight fraying in about 2 hours. It now has over 10 hours and the fraying is about the same as after 2 hrs. The tonic had no fraying after 2 hrs and after 10 hours it has very little. Tonic is a better gut if you are looking for feel and power. Klip is better for pocket book and string movement. Now that I am writing this down, I may string my tonic at a higher tension next time. I like both but for different reasons. I hope I didn't confuse you.
     
  32. alexwawrinka

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    In the club ^^

    EXO3 100 TOUR with GENESIS Typhoon 24kg (53lbs)
     
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    16 x 18 heavy topspin , aggressive baseliner 1 hbh
     
  34. Ross K

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    New string job tomorrow then and, what with my wrist feeling fine again, I think I might go for the hybrid option (poly mains and Bab NVy crosses) first before checking out the full multi option (NXT). Looking forward to seeing if anything can give Tour Bite (which actually really suits the Exo IMO) a run for its money.

    Just have to decide on which poly to use (out of TB but I've sets of other polys) and tensions. I usually go for 52s with full TB job, so reckon that might translate as ? poly @ 54 lbs and NVy synth @59 lbs.

    Sound right to ppl or is that too low?

    TIA
     
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    TW's review of the 2 versions of the tours is seriously messes up. Overall they have given the 18x20 version a 83/100 and the 16x19 version a 78/100 just because of the string pattern? Then apparently the 18x20 has just as much topspin. wtf? and is much better for slice. Almost everything seems to be better for the 18x20 version just because of the closed string pattern, yet the open string pattern is more popular among players and pros, thoughts?
     
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    On what basis do you say this though? It will weigh the same...
    I think lead tape is ugly and if aesthetics didn't matter, one may as well play with pink and black wilsons...and if one can hide it, why not? :p

    If i will be using lead tape, it will be the lowest possible amount that will make a noticable difference to the stability of the frame, and to the power of serves. I have yet to try the racket stock, but from experience with a 03 tour, i have the feeling that lead may benefit this racket. I like head light rackets and the racket balance feels great stock. It actually feels lighter and faster than i expected. I expected a much heavier racket tbh. I cannot believe that my k-blade feels so much heavier...
     
  37. el sergento

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    My thoughts on the matter from my head to head. Here's my edited post from the 'holic thread.

    In short, the two are so similar that the scores should be closer. Except if top spin is a major priority, in which case the 16x18 is superior.

     
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    You also have to consider the players who participated in the playtest. As a whole, their games are much more suited to the 18x20 with the exception of Spencer, who uses the 16x18. Looking at TW's scores doesn't tell you the whole story, IMO. I value their opinions much more because they tell you what the frame will actually play like instead of assessing which on is "better" based on numerical opinions.

    By letting the lead stay in longer strips, you distribute the weight more evenly across the frame. This gives you a truer feel for what the lead does to the racquet as opposed to putting it in very odd, unconventional positions.

    Additionally, hiding the lead tape inside the ports will be incredibly annoying for your stringer (or you). Even if you put it where the strings don't contact the ports, there's a lot of stuff going on during stringing that will just be complicated by having lead there. It's also a pain to swap it out, even if you use your idea of having specifically leaded up grommet sets. The lead by itself will be difficult to reach and place and putting in the grommets is...well...awful.

    So do you want your Tours to look nice, or play well and be easy to maintain?
     
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    I didn't buy this racquet for looks. I never have done that, so I can't relate to what you are saying. Plus, you may not even like the lead setup. In just not that ocd about my racquets.
     
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    okay thanks, looks like I will be buying the 16x18 version
     
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    I guess you have a point, hopefully me buying the 16x18 version will be the right choice
     
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    no not too low. If you like full bed poly at 52 why would you raise the tension on poly mains? If you like 52 go with 52 and just string the multi or syn-gut cross higher, maybe just 4-5lbs.
     
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    Well if pink and black paint jobs actually made rackets play better, the way lead can, we would absolutely be playing with them. :p
     
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    3X EXO3 100 Tour 16 x 18.
    Beast 17 mains, PSGD 17 crosses, 54/59.

    I have found them to be amazingly versatile racquets that work well for my counter-punching singles style as well as four at the net quick doubles exchanges.

    For me, it seems to work best with a long smooth swing. Like the saying goes; let the racquet do the work. I find plenty of power with the stock weight and have plans to mod.
     
  45. mhj202

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    Okay fellow EXOheads-- need some advice here.

    Had a tough day on the court with the EXO3 Tour today and ended up reaching into the bag for one of my APDGTs.

    This was the first competitive match I've played with the Tour but had a couple hitting sessions with the EXO tour and was really liking the way it felt. However, got into this match and found that although I felt like I was hitting the ball fine, it was clear I wasn't quite getting the depth, pace and heaviness (of spin) that I was used to with the APDGT.

    To give you a quick idea, I play an all court game, with a semi-western forehand and like to hit it with relatively heavy topspin, generally hit more slice backhands than topspin but hit the slice fairly aggressively, enjoy throwing in dropshots off both sides if the opportunity arises and like to come in behind my shots and get to net if I get a short ball.

    After the first 5 games of the match, it was clear that though i thought I was hitting the ball well (wasn't making lots of errors, was generally hitting the spots I wanted to, etc.), either my opponent was much, much better than I thought or my balls just didn't have much on them so they were making it really easy on him. In any case, I wasn't sure what was going on but after not being able to finish points the way I wanted to decided to grab one of my APDGTs during the changeover after the 5th game-- btw, as you probably figured, I lost the first 5 games quickly.

    In any case, as soon as I switched to the APDGT, it was a totally different story-- he was having a much harder time catching up to my forehands after kicking off the court and also timing the slice backhands as they skidded. Completely turned the match around.

    I am wondering if I need to add lead to the EXO Tour and/or go to Poly or a Poly Hybrid on the EXO Tour-- I generally use a ALU power hybrided with NXT Tour (Wilson Ultimate Duo) on my APDGTs.

    I really want to get the performance out of the EXO Tour because I love the feel, balance, etc. but it seems that I am not getting the heavy ball I need from my game.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Yes..I leaded mine at 12 with 2 grams of 2 inch strips, and 6 inches of lead at 2 and 10. Racquet still comes around fast but it hits with more beef.

    It will never hit with the same zip of the apdgt, but you will be able to hit winners by creating angles and still be able to crush winners when needed.
     
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    Lead + good shoulder rotation and taking the ball in front of you.
     
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    I should note that my EXO Tours are currently strung with PSGD and NXT Tour 17, both at 58 lbs, whereas my APDGT's are all strung with Alu Power/NXT hybrid at 56/58.

    I am more consistent with the EXO Tour but clearly am lacking the "action" on my ball that I get with my APDGT-- I had my suspicions about the difference in bite/action in my two hitting sessions with the EXO Tour but was so consistent and comfortable in my hitting sessions that I thought maybe that the consistency may make up for it and/or that the lack of "action' was in my mind.

    Unfortunately, against a good 4.5+ player, the lack of action on my ball made a big difference.

    First thing I will do is to get one of the EXO Tour's strung with Alu Power/NXT hybrid so I can compare apples to apples-- then I'll see how the lead works out.
     
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    Winners would be great- but it was as much a matter of not having the "action" on my groundies that I am used to and apparently i need to be competitive. Much of my game depends on keeping the other guy a bit off-balance mixing up heavy spins and angles, as well as mixing up pace and trajectories.

    i'm hoping that trying some poly and/or lead will help.

    I tried to stay away from poly on the EXO Tour because I was starting to get shoulder/elbow pain with full poly (full bed RPM blast) on the APDGTs but maybe I went too much the other way- especially since the EXO Tour is such a flexi frame, it sounds like (from all of the posts I've read) that even with poly, the frame will be much more gentle than the APDGT.
     
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    Yes-poly will help a ton. The Tour is just another stick with multi in it, in my opinion. Low tension poly for me lets me get nasty action on the ball while keeping power at an adequate level. If you had pain with full poly on the APDGT, that's nothing that isn't normal. I used to get terrible elbow pain with my Aero Storms even with soft multis, but I have always played my Tours with poly with no issues at all. Give a full bed a try but drop your tension a little bit to see what you like. Good luck! ;)
     

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