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  1. klementine

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    Keep it goin' Ross... Performs great from the b-line... as I'm sure you've noticed.

    I've been playing with this frame for the past four months... and even though I went on a 'demo-spree' (about 15 frames..from the donnay gold99 to the IGPresMid+.. to the PDGT)... kept coming back to this one.

    The stick feels alive... as if it's breathing. Even though I have chosen the 18x20 model... I find the distribution of the string-bed with 17g strings to be more open than most 16x19 frames... such as the BLXopen... the PDGT... the PresPro and many others... the only other frames that have been more open in terms of string-pattern-density (through my experience) have been the 6.1 Tour 90 and the RqiS Tour.

    Which means the 16x18 version is probably one of the most open-patterned string beds available on the market.

    I have yet to find a better slice frame... including the T90.. :shock:

    Still miss the PresMid on serve.. volleys ... and overheads. Everything else wins with the exoT's.... forehands.... backhands (tremondous)... slices... any 'junk-shots'... lobs... drops... Just a very, very versatile frame and great for 'toying' with your opponent.
     
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    It performs better in the mid 50s then with lower tension poly IMO. Just ridiculous power and pace. I am so glad I made the adjustment to the high 50's hybrid because it's a total game changer.
     
  3. tennismonkey

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    those of you with poly/syn gut hybrids. i had alu power mains and psgd crosses at mid 50's tension. for about 12 hours or so of playing time on these sticks -- they were perfect. spin, power, control. my last session, i had no pop - groundies would just barely trickle over the net landing inside the service line.

    is 12 hours with a hybrid about right? would i get more playtime with a full poly setup? how about a hybrid setup in the mid to high 40's? thoughts?
     
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    I never like Prince, but wow I demoed this and the radical mp expecting the radical to be far better, turns out it was no contest, the exo3 tour was better in every expect, it felt like a scalpel and the feel was amazing, my only dislikes are the head-size which is too big for my taste and the paint-job could be a lot better, but overall one of the best racquets I have ever used.
     
  5. wiibssz

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    Hey everybody!

    After a week playtesting the Prince exo3 tour 100 18x20 (3 days, +/- 3 hours a day) I have to give the Prince back. It was a great experience. And after I added 2 gram @ 12 it was really the best racket I've ever tried. The control, the spin, the comfort, the touch, the comfort(can't say it enough). Everything was there! The most important thing for me was to feel no pain in my elbow, shoulder or back. I felt nothing. When I mishit or framed I didn't feel anything bad.
    I admit, when I was going to test rackets, I was saying that I didn't want to playtest a Prince racket because they're weird. I wanted to playtest something from Babolat, Head or Yonex, but Prince really blew me away! I compared it to my APDC with the 'score-list' Tenniswarehouse makes at the end of an review, and Prince won at 11 of the 12 points, only power was more with the APDC.

    I'm going to playtest the 16x18 string pattern with 2 grams @ 12 to compare and there is a small chance that I will playtest an other racket brand, probably Yonex, but guys, I feel like I'm sold.

    My mom said that I'm choosing too quick, but I think that when I play 3 times for 3 hours long, and good and with fun, this will be a very good choice. And after some more practise it will only get better and better. I will have my first indoor tournament at the end of November and I think I will be playing with the 18x20!

    btw, Onehander, Powerplayer, thanks for your tips, especially the lead @ 12 was a really good idea!

    grt. Wiibssz
     
  6. Power Player

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    Tennismonkey..12 hours is pretty good. You can get more if you use Babolat N Vy crosses.

    wiibsz, glad we could help. I thought Prince had fallen off as well, but I think we could easily see them right back at the top if they continue to make offerings like the EXO.
     
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    I couldn't have said it any better:)
     
  8. Ross K

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    Exo Tour - your fave strings?

    Morning Exoheads!

    As I'm still new to this rac, and find strings frame-dependent to a significant degree (ie, what I may have liked in other past frames may not necessarily apply here), plus I'm not up to speed with string discussions here, well... I'm interested in more experienced Exo Tour users and their thoughts on the frame/string match ups. I'm also due a buying splurge on strings and am open to checking out a few new options.

    So... what are ppls fave full polys in the Exo Tour?... likewise, hybrids?... what works well with this particular rac in ppls opinions?... from your playing time with it, what kind of string does the Exo seem to demand in your view?!... and why? Why has whatever string really impressed you in the Exo?...

    BTW, I'm a fully poly user (TB more often than not), but am certainly not closed to idea of hybrids, etc. In fact, I'm in the mood to experiment.:shock::)

    CIA (cheers in advance!)
     
  9. louis19

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    I received my sponsorship a few days ago and have me 16x18's on the way. I was using the 18x20's and haven't touch any led weight yet but by the sounds of it a fair few others are enjoying using it??
     
  10. NYCtennis1

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    I too found TB really sweet when fresh, I've seen a lot of people seem to like the first gen polys in this one a lot as well. My demo had Red Code 17 and I played pretty well with it but I find there are so many other great polys out there. I too am thinking about experimenting w/ some hybrids (nat gut,) though full poly is just a perfect match for me (especially in an Exo tour:))
     
  11. Ross K

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    Yes, I'd welcome hearing about all the hybrid/string options/opinions across the board as well as full poly jobs.

    Incidentally, as a back-up to my one Exo Tour, I just got an 03 Tour back from the stringer (really it's just for practice at the moment and not matches.) Funny thing is, before dropping it off, when I took it out of the unmarked packet it was kept in, the poly wasn't in any kind of packaging or whatever, and therefore, er, I'm not too sure what it is.:oops: I did buy a lot of polys last year! All I can say is it's black and textured/shaped, and just bouncing a ball on it a minute ago, it feels relatively soft.:)
     
  12. Power Player

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    Ross, I know I have said it a few times, but the Babolat N Vy as a cross in the EXO is a godlike moment. String it tighter, at 58-62 and use your poly of choice as a main between 52-54.

    I have received more b5e, which I think may be a great string because it should add more control to the racquet. My current poly in there is Unique Big Hitter Silver Rough, and while I am quite happy with it, I believe the b5e may be even better.

    I doubt I will go back to full poly ever. The amazing feel, ability to get the stringbed tighter with this much comfort and pop is too addictive. The EXO hits with massive power when you cross with N Vy. I personally think full poly is overkill in this stick unless you are restringing every 4-6 hours.
     
  13. tennismonkey

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    thanks for the suggestion PP. i've tried a couple of different syn guts for crosses. i'll give babolat N Vy a try. if it gives similar or better performance and lasts longer - it's worth a shot.
     
  14. klementine

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    BeastXP.... awesome... for 1 session... then loses tension and magic and is unplayable.

    RPM Blast... feels ridiculous, like the best poly ever made... for about a session and a 1/2.

    TB... feels stupendous for two full sessions.

    SPPP... good blend of everything for about 2 days... (however as many sessions you can fit in 2 days should be about it)

    BBO... really could go for a week if you string it low enough (I had it at 45). Great compliment to the frame... wonderful power.

    M2Pro... really performed well up until I cut it out. Powerful... ball-encompassing.... great on passing shots... serves...volleys and touch shots. Any tension works with this one. For people who enjoy the benefits of poly... but hate to re-string every two hours. Still can't find anything in relation to price/performance that attracts me so... in the exo.

    Hybrids....? well any gut in the mains and poly in the cross works great... of course. I tried champions choice and did a full review on it some pages back. Definitely would string tighter than 54/52..... more like .. 58/56??? even 60/58 would probably be comfortable.

    DISCLAIMER
    My exo's are customized with 7grams total @ 3&9 and 10grams of silicone 8inches up into the handle. With a 354gr static weight and a 345 swing weight at 8pts.HL , they'll probably play different from anyone trying these strings on their own in any other exo.
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    I think PP is onto something with tighter tensions on these frames.... feels like it bumps up the stiffness on touch shots... and the flex is exaggerated on hard shots. Which is what I need and is completely @$$ backwards from what YouTek claims to do... probably why we never got along. :smile:
     
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  15. Power Player

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    Here is what I noticed :

    Full poly at 48#s - nice, but my wrist felt it a little, even in the EXO. It also was trickier to swing out and flatten out winners for me and how I hit the ball. I had to go more Western than I prefer. Less power due to the grip and compensating with heavy spin.

    Poly at 54#s/ Syn gut at 60#s. - Insane comfort and feel. More power due to being able to hit out with a SW/W grip instead of a full W. Placement and accuracy increased.

    A lot of people said they could not put the ball away with this racquet. I too struggled with this for a bit, but now I have got that under control and can execute all the strokes I want. I think a lot of the issues were due to stringing the full poly too low. the racquet just really shines with a hybrid setup in the mid 50s.

    Adding lead at 12 helped slow my strokes down a little as well. The stick swings so fast that I needed that little drag to keep me in the slot.
     
  16. el sergento

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    Hey PP,

    Just curious, how easy / hard is it to string these EXO's?? did you get a boomerang tool?

    I ask because my local shop is having a liquidation sale and they have demos for sale for pretty cheap... sigh

    Just when I thought I was out.................

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    I use the boomerang. It is a little tricky at first just to get used to how to use the it (you want the orange one), but after one or two sessions it's the same as any other stick.
     
  18. Kcraig

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    I would have to think gut mains/poly would be a dream in this frame!! Also--back when had an "elbow made of steel" full BBO at 50# was always my favorite and would also have to think would pair up nice in this frame. Unfortunately, no poly for me till atleast Mar/April as cooler temps and poly are no good for me and trying, yes trying to be "smart" and get over last hurdle of GE issues.
     
  19. el sergento

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    Where d'ya get it??
     
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    I called Prince and they sent it to me. Took about 2 weeks.

    In the meantime, you can string it if you have a brake..or you can hold the stringer with your hip while pulling tension. Also, Irvin made a video on a 50/50 method that works rather well also. It is in the stringing section. A lot of people do not use the boomerang, but it is the easiest for me.
     
  21. el sergento

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    K thanks. I might call prince. If I do get the stick I'll just use the ol' flying clamp trick I used with my O ports.
     
  22. skeeter

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    +1. Been using VS gut mains (57) and WCSS or TB in the crosses (53) and have thoroughly enjoy this set up. Get a nice blend of what the two sting types offer: a little soft power with the gut and some crispness and control with the poly. Curious about PP's set up though; may try that the next string job.
     
  23. Ross K

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    Great to hear ppls string preferences. Gives me plenty to think about. Keep 'em coming!
     
  24. Ross K

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    PP, re Bab Nvy... what gauge? 17 or 16? 1.25 or 1.30? I might try and purchase a set of this later.
     
  25. Power Player

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    16 gauge on the n vy my friend.
     
  26. Dave M

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    I'm enjoying my tour, just seen a good price on the rebel team does anybody know how they play?Do they feel much stiffer?
     
  27. TheOneHander

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    In my experience, the Rebel Teams are stiffer than the Tour, but everything else is. They're a little bit more sluggish because of the balance but they also seem to plow through the ball more compared to the Tours. The RebTeams are also a lot less spin friendly, but there's a very crisp, solid feel at impact and the tight string bed offers good control. If I had to break it down...

    Power: Equal, perhaps with a slight nod to the Rebels.
    Control: Tours for sure. The Rebels aren't rocket launchers but they just don't have that soft, pocketing feel.
    Spin: Tours by far.
    Maneuverability: Tour. The Rebels are lighter, but 1 point head heavy and the Tours are pretty whippy.
    Feel: depends on what you like. The Tour is very comfy, plush, and noodly-but in a good way. On the other hand, the Rebels are more firm feeling, and the box beam gives them added solidity.

    So there's the mini-review. Sorry that it's kind of short!
     
  28. Dave M

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    It's perfect thank you,I was wondering if the balance might not be as nice feeling, i've come to really like the tour.At £50 for the rebel i was curious!
     
  29. TheOneHander

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    I actually just customized one for a friend who picked one up for £55 shipped. I put 10g of lead under the grip and 4g at 12 in 4 inch strips. It's a lot whipper than stock and lets him swing out more. The spin production also is higher because of the altered balance. Even if you're not sold on them they're great platforms for customization!
     
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  30. Power Player

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    Wanted to add I have decided for sure that the ports are the way to go. Incredible feel on the sweet spot. I hit with a harder hitter last night and it was pretty blissful. That little bit of lead at 12 is all I needed. The racquet is incredibly stable through contact and still is under 12 ozs.
     
  31. el sergento

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    Mini review:

    Had my first proper hit with one of these puppies today, the 16/18. Strung with ALU R/NXT @ 55/58 and 2 grams of lead at 12.

    First impressions are very positive.

    Feel / touch:

    Outrageously good once you get used to........... errr, the lack of feel?? I mean, there's no getting around the fact that there's just less racquet making contact with the ball, what with the ports and the thin beam.

    But once you get used to the special feel of the stick, after 15 minutes or so, it's quite responsive and supremely comfortable. I'd like it to be just a tad crisper but I guess with a 52 RA that's asking too much.

    Touch shots are easy to pull off and at net, my achilies heel, I had surprising control and managed some pretty nifty deft volleys. I was actually playing cat and mouse with an opponent who usually does it to me. Very satisfying.

    Off the ground:

    Backhand - Huge power. Really, out of nowhere this featherweight smacks a hard deep ball. Spin is excellent, slices are deep and low and top is supremely easy to produce.

    Usually my one hander gets lost in the stringbed of anything over 95 si, but it was firing on all cylinders today. I hit a couple of Guga style down the liners that just left my opponent motionless.

    Forehand - Was also huge but somewhat wild. Coming from a 12+oz stick I was getting too much RHS. I found that a relaxed motion, allowing the ball to really sink into the stringbed worked better. Also, this is a topspin beast, flat lasers sailed long on me and I had to take something off when going down the line.

    Overheads:

    Effortless. The racquet cuts through the air and produces so much spin. Only served a couple of times and I love it. Because of my bum shoulder I rely much much more on a spiny delivery than a flat bomb, so this is right up my ally.


    Overall:

    + Feel
    ++ Comfort
    + Touch
    ++ Power
    ++ Spin
    + Stability

    - Lack of weight in stock form
    - Control, flat shots can sail

    Really enjoyed the hit. So much so that I played the entire session with it and never once thought of switching to my regular stick (12.2 oz YTK PPro).

    It's a special racquet for sure but I was left hungry. In stock form, there's just not enough meat on this thing.

    I also think that the 18/20 would suit my game better, afterall, I'm a Prestige user and control is second to none on those.

    I'm thinking of adding 4 grams at 12 instead of just 2 and since there's no trap door, I'm going to just add a leather grip to increase the weight and counterbalance.

    Observations:

    ALU Rough at 55 feels like butter, and I'm very sensitive to the harshness of poly due to my shoulder problems. Nevertheless, I'm going up to 57 on the ALU next time to get a touch more control and crispness. I'm also upping the NXT to 60 to tame the power. I think PP is right on the money with the higher tensions, the lead at 12 is also a must, at least in my opinion.

    Also, I measured the SW stock and it's higher than the 323 TW has it at. Mine came in at 328 and with the 2 grams, it was easily around 333. With two more grams it should bring me close to 340. That's a real testament to how fast this stick cuts through the air because usually I don't like anything south of 325. The EXO 3 Tour 100, whipyness personified.

    To sum things up, delicious, but needs more meat on the bone :)
     
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    Yes, the small amounts of lead make a huge difference. great review.

    You may prefer the lead at 3 and 9 if you hit flatter, but I can tell you that lead at 12 is rather fantastic.
     
  33. el sergento

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    Nah, I'm keeping it at 12, it feels great. I'm adding a touch more because I just need to slow down my swing just a touch.

    Also, what's with TW stating that these things are low powered?? They had s#$t tons of pop.

    IMO, Prince didn't market these puppies properly, they should be going up against the power/spin clubs from Babolat. The marketing should have been the power and spin of an Aerostorm wrapped in the most comfortable package possible.

    A Power Pillow !
     
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    Lol..yeah. I got my timing down with it on the forehand and the feel is so good when you just crush it on the sweet spot. Pure addiction. I agree that with the lead at 12 it easily hits as big as a Bab, but you can these sick angles that I could never do with other racquets.
     
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    Took my lead set-up off today so I'm gonna play with it stock in a playoff match tomorrow :O. Kind of nervous.

    Reason I took it off was because I was hitting a little too flat, and since my strings have gotten pretty loose, I hit the ball long more than usual in practice. Might try a depolarized set-up @ 12&Handle.
     
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    Frustrating session/match yesterday in adverse weather. Slippy and damp conditions made me very tentative and I ended up experimenting with lead set ups.

    My initial 2g (of 2 X 4" strips of 1/4" tape) @ 12 sometimes feels a tad noticeable for me. So I checked out the 2g moved to 10 and 2. And finally I also had a look at playing the Exo 100 unleaded.

    I'd need more time to formulate a solid opinion here, but I'm still leaning towards lead on the top of the hoop to add a bit of sting. I mean, even unleaded, I personally find good pop on serve with this rac (it's weird how I've found this rac to serve with real zip and zing and yet comments I'd read before said they couldn't get it over the net.) However, I did notice it on g-strokes when playing unleaded (especially bh) - I wasn't quite pressing/pushing back/over-powering my opponent like I like, and more of my stuff seemed to be sitting up for him and coming back with interest.

    Anyhow, dire weather yesterday must be kept in mind, and, really, I just need more intensive play and practice etc.

    BTW, Tour Bite plays pretty awesome I thought in the Exo. I've tried it in a number of racs in the last year or so and it definitely suits the Exo IMO... yep, really nice.:wink:
     
  37. TheOneHander

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    Wow. I just finished a short hitting session with Genesis Black Magic 17 @48lbs and am I impressed.

    First of all, stringing was so nice for a poly. BHBR is so much more rough on my hands, I hadn't realized what other strings are actually like! Not to mention that it looks sweet in the Tours ;)

    Anyway, I really liked this string. It was stiff without being boardy, soft without being mushy (if that makes sense-it was almost enigmatic in this regard). The spin generation was not as kick-y as the BHBR, but it was more than adequate. Short angles were a breeze, and controlling rallies were simply point-and-shoot. I wasn't quite comfortable with the lower power and spin, but overall, it was a very impressive string. I think I'd be GOATing at 44lbs.

    Do any of you have input on the tension maintenance of this string? IIRC, PP used to play this in a BAM hybrid...
     
  38. Power Player

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    Yes, the BM hybrid was pretty sweet, but I had trouble with control after a few hours.

    I'd do full BM at 54#s personally. But I am not into low tension full poly setups.
     
  39. TheOneHander

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    I certainly am ;) I personally thought that it was a bit too stiff at 48 but perhaps 44 or so could bring out some extra pop and spin. I also placed an order for some Spin X, so hopefully something good will come from all this testing.

    On average, how long would it last you? I really like my BHBR, but at 8 hours as its "point of no return", I'm hoping I can find something similar in performance but with better longevity.
     
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    ^ i think the spin X is a bit stiffer than BM
     
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    You can get 10 hours, and I agree with aimr, black magic is softer.
     
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    Same thing happened with me today. Was timing it perfectly. Hitting smashes back for winners. I didn't want to stop playing!
     
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    I've tried a ton of rackets over the past 3 yrs and I'm back full circle to the Prince EXO3 100 tour 18 x 20 (I started the journey with the Ozone tour, before going around the houses with Head, Volkl etc etc). So count me into your 100 club ;-)
    My question is: what is the ultimate string set up for this stick?
    I currently have RPM blast (poly) in the mains and XCel (multi) in the crosses. It's really nice, but the XCel breaks after about 10 sets (no surprise I know). If I go to a full poly setup, will it become 'boardy' as many seem to state? Does the tension resolve this issue? Any help/advice please? Bill
     
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    imo RPM wouldn't be a good string for this frame. Because of the muted feel of the EXO3 Tour I think a crisper feeling string works much better. YMMV though. For me, Tour Bite is the best feeling of the polys I've tried in mains or full bed. But gut mains/msv co-focus crosses is the dream set-up I use now. Only keep one frame strung full TB for wet conditions.
     
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    I bought two of these to start replacing my Ozone Tours. I am really impressed with this frame, a lot more pop than the Ozone tour but even more comfortable on the arm and shoulder.
     
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    You know I'm in - how did I miss this?
     
  47. Anton

    Anton Hall of Fame

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    I don't think Tour is muted - plush yes, but I still get good feedback and feel the vibrations coming through - not buzzy vibrations like some stiff rackets though.
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2011
  48. kyofu

    kyofu New User

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    just bought a 16x18
    and now i'm having a dilemma between the 16x18 and 18x20
    play much more consistently with 18x20,but enjoy the 16x18 more!!

    i hit with SW grip,semi flat with some topspin
    didn't notice a big difference on spin between the two,but did on control and power(maybe because of my bad technique??)

    conclusion : need to make my choice but...I LOVE THEM BOTH
     
  49. Murray_fan1

    Murray_fan1 Professional

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    Just received my EXO 16x18 and strung it up fresh with some Tecnifibre Ruff Code @ 55lbs . I plan to hit tomorrow evening with my regular hitting partner. Can't wait!!!!!!
     
  50. ZeroSkid

    ZeroSkid Banned

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    You can give me the other one
     

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