The Olympics are changing the dynamic this year in Men's tennis.

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  1. bullfan

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    I think the upcoming Olympics have changed how players are approaching the year in tennis. While Grand SLams are so important, Gold Medals are something most players normally can only try for 2 or 3 times.

    Roger has won it all. He's won every slam, he's won more slams, but he hasn't won an Individual Gold Medal and this is his last shot. He's announced how much he wants that for quite a while. I think that's why Roger has altered his schedule this year and didn't seem to care about playing hard against Novak in Rome, only to play Rafa in the final.

    Djokovic openly wept when he lost to Rafa in 2008, he is so popular in Serbia and probably has a ton of pressure to bring home the gold after his awesome last year. It was his part in the Davis Cup win that was the start of his awesome run last year. He was tearful after his Davis Cup surrender to DelPo. Novak didn't seem to put a huge amount of effort into Rome, and may have been able to win if he'd have put forth more effort. To me, in Rome, he looked like a man that was conserving energy as well as not risk injury.

    Nadal, well he's won the Gold, and I wonder if he's going to hope that he can work the slams since he's not as pressured to win the Gold.

    Murray, god knows he would love to win, but he's seems to have had a fairly bad year since losing to Djokovic in AO. He may be injured.

    I do wonder if some dark horses could be Raonic and Isner given their serving, and if that can get them further than they would have been otherwise.
     
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  2. Bud

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    The final is best 3 of 5 sets
     
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  3. nadal_GOAT_king

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    It still is the pinnacle of sporting excellence.

    As Nadal said "You cannot put a price on Olympic gold". Nadal aims to be the first to defend the men's singles gold
     
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    My bad, I'll edit, thanks...
     
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  5. Bud

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    Hopefully federer and djokovic are in the same half :)

    Have they ever met on grass?
     
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    Man, I would watch that match with popcorn in tow. Hot and salty :)
     
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    Yes, I'd like to see that combo, but they could meet in the final. I think both of them are more hungry than Nadal for the gold since they don't have one.
     
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    Nope. They've met 20 times on hard and 5 times on clay. Until now the rivalry has been mostly on hard. I would expect Fed to prevail on grass but who knows? Fed is not what he used to be on that surface...
     
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    Djokovic is not a beast on grass either. Still, if we have slow, high-bouncing grass, anything could happen.
     
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    Would they change the composition of the grass for the Olympics?
     
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    I guess it depends on when they'd meet. I got the way the tournament screwed up and it sounds like it's best of 3 sets for all matches except for the finals, unless they've changed the format.
     
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    i'd love to see federer, djokovic and nadal on the medal stand in singles.
     
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    If Federer never wins Olympic gold I don't know how he can ever really be considered ahead of Laver or Sampras since they both have one in their trophy cabinet..

    No... wait.... :lol:
     
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    Tennis wasn't part of the Olympics during Laver's time and I imagine Sampras wishes he had a gold singles medal in his trophy cabinet ;)
     
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  15. ramos77

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    when did the Olympics tennis become important?

    I couldn't care less who wins it, nor do I remember past winners
     
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    Tough luck for them then :p . If we start including every excuse under the sun for non-achievement (slowing of courts, blue courts, fluffy balls, professional banned from tournaments, tournament didn't exist yet etc) we could end up with Marcelos Rios being regarded as the GOAT. :lol:

    When it comes down to the wire they don't have one. I'm just applying some ******* logic in the same spirit it gets used daily here. :p
     
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  17. tank_job

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    This.

    What are olympics again? I thought they made cameras or something.
     
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    It will, as it always has, depend on Fed's racquet more than his opponent. No matter who Fed is facing, the match is always on his racquet.
     
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    Typical fan-boy reaction.

    Even on slow clay against Nadal, I guess the match is on Fed's racket. :???:
     
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    Like Djokovic stating he had Nadal on the ropes in their 2007 (or was it 08 ) FO match when he lost in straight sets :)
     
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    and a french open?
     
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  22. nadal_slam_king

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    Nadal has the biggest motivation of all - becoming the only man to win 2 singles gold medals.

    Whereas if Federer or Djokovic win the singles gold, they'll be just one of many players to have accomplished it.

    So more history will be made if Nadal wins it.
     
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  23. ramos77

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    Not really, no one cares IMO.
     
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    I like, how in two consecutive sentences you boost the importance of the OG, and then denigrade it. You are a star.

    But it actually is normal, for a guy, who said, that the OG is important, because Nadal has it, and if it wasn't the case it would not have been important.

    I would have had that in my signature as well, but the quote is too long, so tough luck for me.

    Ah, and do not forget to continue your line of thought about Nadal, who is the only player to win three OG on HC, Grass and clay!

    :lol:
     
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  25. nadal_slam_king

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    You can't read. I said "Whereas if Federer or Djokovic win the singles gold, they'll be just one of many players to have accomplished it." That doesn't mean its unimportant, it means its not an all-time record. Whereas winning it twice is an all-time record. What is better for tennis, that another player wins the gold, or that a player sets an all-time record?
     
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    By writing what you have written you actually said, that it is not a biggie, that Nadal has it, since so many have it, which is completely the opposite of what you and others have boasted about on TW.

    Oh, again, you have said, that it is important, because Nadal has it, and it would not have been important, if he didn't. Isn't that so?

    As for the rest. Records are nice.
     
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  27. nadal_slam_king

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    Wrong. YOU said it's not a biggie. I said "they'll be just one of many players to have accomplished it", and that was exactly the case when Nadal won it in 2008. I knew many others had one it before. Same as if someone wins Wimbledon, or Roland Garros. They aren't standing out in history anymore than the other winners of it. But if you win it more times you are achieving a more rare feat. Just give up, you tried to put words in my mouth and lost.
     
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    OK. Let me write it, as if a 5 years old boy was reading it:

    "Many players have it" = it is not that difficult to achieve.

    You do not say for Wimbledon title, "many players have it" (although, arguably, a lot more have a Wimbledon title than OG), because it is quite a feat in itself.

    Besides, importance is a mixture of inner value and rarity, not only the latter.

    But, do not get mad. We get it. If Nadal has it, it must be valuable.

    :roll:
     
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  29. nadal_slam_king

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    When Hewitt won Wimbledon I said the same, "Many players have won it", and I knew Nadal was in the same boat too. Many may have even called it a fluke if Nadal didn't win it again in 2010. It applies to ANYTHING. Win it once, and you've added it to your collection, but you haven't stood out in history above the other winners of it. YOU said it was no biggie to win. I said 'many others have accomplished it.'

    So again I ask, what is the most impressive feat, Nadal winning 2 singles golds, or Federer winning one singles gold? It's all relative, not "big" or "small". But one is an all-time record, and the other is not. Records are fun to see occur, and I want to see it.

    You are writing like a 5-year-old boy who lost and can't admit it. You can't re-write what I said and tell me I'm wrong.
     
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  30. Rhino

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    I'd like to see Federer win it but I don't think it's that big a deal. In my mind it's still not really up there with all those tennis-specific achievements that he has.

    Let's put it this way; when any young tennis player has dreams and fantasies about winning big events, they all dream of Wimbledon, the US Open, Roland Garros, or the Australian open, depending on where they grew up. Nobody dreamed of winning a tennis Olympic medal as a child.
     
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  31. Shhhhh!! your posts are a waste of time.
     
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  32. nadal_slam_king

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    I agree. But many dream of going to the Olympics (not necessarily winning a gold, but just going to it to compete). And in truth some may place it above the slams, as Agassi did. But I agree most players dream of slams above Olympics. That will probably change a bit in future, but I still think majority will always prefer slams.
     
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  33. LOL you guys are so smart:)
     
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    Also, any player who wins a slam takes on a whole different status as a player. They will forever after be remembered.

    However, that did not happen for Nicolás Massú, Marc Rosset, or Miloslav Mečíř - all who won Olympic singles Gold medals. Reason: Because nobody gives a S**t.
     
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  35. nadal_slam_king

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    A bit like when Thomas Johansson won the Australian Open. Didn't seem to change his status.
     
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    I think it did. He's always going to be the guy who won the AO.

    I mean, imagine if he hadn't won it. He'd be less memorable than Donald Young.
     
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    What? :confused:

    Have you got any proof what you have said when Hewitt won it?
    And why do you think, that what you think is relevant to the normal tennis fans in the first place? The fact, that you put Wimbledon and OG in the same boat of your logic speaks volumes for your perception of the values of the tennis tournaments.

    I LOL'd at the idea, that you think, that someone would just add a winner at Wimbledon to the list of "whatever achievemens". What someone would have called it is absolutely irrelevant.

    I explained that point already. importance = inner value + rarity. Learn to read


    Do you know, who has the all time record for ATP 500 tournaments? I thought not. So, there. The difference between Majors and OG is roughly the same as between OG and 500 tournaments. Big or small does matter.

    Of course, that to 2OG is more than 1 OG. But two OG are not all that much in terms of value as a tennis tournaments (that could change, though)


    I can repeat what you said. Precisely:

    OG is important, because Nadal have it. If Nadal didn't have it, it would have not been important.

    So, there go your values.
     
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  38. nadal_slam_king

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    Why do you make things up? What is the point?
     
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    Oh, now you refuse to admit that you have said the words in the bolded part in my post. Do you want me to find the quote?
     
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  40. nadal_slam_king

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    Yes please, I'm waiting. And show the entire post, so we can have some context. I was talking about Federer's need to have the gold. If Nadal hadn't won it, then Federer would not feel like he HAD to win it. Such is their rivalry, and the threat that Nadal is to Federer's legacy, it is imperative Federer wins what Nadal has won (baring the unreachable number of Roland Garros titles of course). Federer must tick every box. And the Olympic gold would not have been a box if not for Nadal. Prior to Nadal winning it, Agassi won it but not a lot of big names. Since Nadal won it, and Djokovic cried over it, the image of tennis gold has changed, for the better.
     
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  41. Tennis_Hands

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    No probs.

    Your post.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6513815&postcount=14141

    And statement related to the OG medal, no less.

    I rest my case. And you can go home now.

    :roll:
     
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    I don't think that Fed's desire to win the gold has anything to do with Nadal. Fed wanted to win it in 2008, and James Blake derailed that.
     
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  44. nadal_slam_king

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    It is an extraordinary coincidence that Blake beat Federer at THAT event. I mean, that was the only Blake win out of 11 meetings :shock:

    Maybe Federer just isn't very motivated when there is no money on offer. Or maybe its all about Blake's love for the Olympics.

    But there is no question Nadal winning gold has changed Federer's priorities. Federer wasn't talking up the gold medal as a big deal in 2008. This year he's mentioned it repeatedly. Something changed after Nadal won it.
     
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    dude. you contradict yourself in less that 3 posts?
     
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  46. nadal_slam_king

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    I wish I could take your posts seriously. But you never post serious, so....
     
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  47. Gorecki

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    so, lets see, you contradict yourself within 3 posts and yet i'm the jester here?


    funny funny guy....
     
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  48. nadal_slam_king

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    I didn't contradict, I'm listing reasons why Federer isn't good at the Olympics. Either
    a) He only plays for money
    b) Blake was just really inspired that day

    That doesn't change the fact that I think Federer cares a lot more now that Nadal has a gold and he doesn't.

    See, I can't take your posts seriously. You just waste time making me explain things twice. And you just post to cause conflict, never to actually further the tennis discussion.
     
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    NSK... meet the palms of your face.
     
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