The opposite of pushing is

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  1. dlam

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    There no term that means so different things to so many tennis players as "pushing " or "pusher".
    Is in order to even confuse or narrow down this term. What is the exact opposite of "pushing" or "pusher " to you and why?
    How about "puller" or "pulling"? Nah
    I like "smashing" or " smasher"
     
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    "hit / miss"
     
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    opposite of pushing is overhitting
     
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    And then wondering why you lost to an "inferior" player.
     
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  5. gmatheis

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    If pushing means winning your points by keeping the ball in play in a way that you never try to hit a winner but rather rely on your opponent to eventually make a mistake.

    Than the opposite would be to always go for a winner on every shot.

    Overhitting ---- G_A nailed it
     
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    Pulling would the be the opposite, pulling your opponent side to side that is :)
     
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    True pushers almost never hit winners. They earn all their points by bumping the ball back into play and watching the opponent make an error.

    So the opposite of a pusher is a player who hits a lot of winners. In the past, I'd say that S&V is the most opposite of pushing. S&V players end up getting passed or hitting winning volleys. In the modern game, a player who hits hard to get winners is the opposite of a pusher, even if they stay at the baseline.
     
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    Have to agree with overhitting as the choice. I was guilty of it and got baited the first time I played a pusher.
     
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  10. dlam

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    Interesting that overhitting is considering a good answer. Then what about Just plain hitting? Is there such thing as underhitting? or is that the same as pushing ? How about overpushing or under pushing ?
     
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    I agree. There seems to be an assumption that pushers always win. I've beaten pushers by hitting approaches and then winners.

    Attacking tennis is the opposite of pushing, and attacking players beat pushers every day (admittedly, some also lose).
     
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  12. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    James Blake.
     
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    the Problem with brainless bashers is that they don't Chose the right situations for attack. attack is great but you have to know which ball to attack and which not.
     
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    sharapova....
     
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    Everyone on TT...
     
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    Pushing, as far as the term makes sense, has to be an overall attitude toward game play. People tend to given visual cues of reality when trying to innovate in matters of words, so my best guess would be that pushing qualified, initially the player's striking action. Pushing instead of striking... That would be doing the bare minimum to keep the ball alive, purposefully avoiding to hit hard, or even limiting oneself to bunting the ball back if it is possible.

    In many discussions on the net and on courts, I have pictured pushing as an under-optimal playing strategy: that is, it's the defensive counterpart of ball bashing. Ideally, you do not err below, nor higher than necessary: objectively, risks can be rewarding when managed properly and exaggerations can hurt. Either way, it's a mistake because the response must always be adapted to the circumstance.

    So, who's not a "pusher," but the exact opposite? People highlighted it properly here: a ball basher, someone who constantly tries to impose his presence with force and power, who tries to hit winners every two shots... that's a ball basher and that's the exact opposite mistake.
     
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    Opposite of pushing is "normal tennis".
     
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  18. WildVolley

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    I think this is correct. The most extreme opposite of a pusher would be a person who tries to hit a winner on every shot. As that's not a very practical strategy, I think the most common opposite is someone who tries to win by hitting pace or someone who attacks the net in order take away time and hit winners.

    For example, neither Pete Sampras nor Blake are pushers.
     
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    Is Blake just a ball basher though?
     
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    Lots of answers. Antonyms are hitting, over hitting, smashing, bashing etc
    these denote attacking themes.
    Pusher and defender appear synonymous to the responders of this thread
     
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    Over aggressive
     
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    The opposite of a high percentage game is a low percentage game. Duh.
     
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    That is the answer. The opposite of a PUSHER is an ATTACKER.
     
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    Fixed it for ya.
     
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    There are at least 2 ways the term "pushing or pusher" is generaly used.

    One is as a type of stroke, the other is as a style of play.

    As a style of play "pushing" is defensive, a kind of continusl resetting of the point, giving the opponent one more opportunity to make an unforced error. The style often lacks a perticular game-plan (other than outlast the opponent).

    As a stroke, "pushing" is inelegant, decelerating, often unskilled or lacking fluidity, sometimes "ugly"( in a sense).

    So, the opposite of "defensive", in this sense, is not necessarily "agressive" or "attacking" (though they may be included), but rather "constructive" and "active". Rather than waiting for the opponent to self-destruct the non-pusher is trying to open the court, make placements, create opportunities and win points.

    As far as shot-making, the opposite of "pushing" might be accelerating through the ball, "hitting out", driving through the ball, and having a fluid stroke that is capable (in itself) of putting pressure on the opponent through pace, spin, or angle/placement.

    So, 2 words "Active" and "Constructive" as opposed to "Defensive" and "Passive".
     
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    The opposite of pushing is... using!

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    Basher 10 char
     
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    To me, this ^ is the closest answer to being right....

    Pusher > defensive > counterpuncher vs. attacking > agressive baseliner

    As for an actual opposite word for "pusher" it is not so simple to describe it without making the attacking players sound like being worse off...To me the word "pusher" can have the bad context of having choke-like strokes, or the good context of having defensive strategy.
     
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    There are many levels of attacker. Some are smart attackers that would set up shots to win points.

    The mindless attacker (who is also a blaster) are people who think they can hit a winner from anywhere of the court and with crazy placements that clip the outer 3 mm of the lines. These people are true opposite of pushers. Pushers want the longest rally and wait for the UE. Mindless attackers want an ace, or a returning ace to end the point asap. They do not rally and do not put people on the run. They just want to hit a winner.
     
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    My old hitting partner was just like that, a wanna-be James Blake. He had a very sharp, fast and flat deuce court angle and put did me on the run a lot.
     
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    Well did he intend to put you on the run? Or his shot is not good enough for a winner and you can defend it? The mindless attacker would either hit an UE or once in while a winner. They would feel angry if the ball is returned :)
     
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    Yes, its his standard set up. It pulls me way off the court and then follows up dtl. If I'm not ready for it, the cc shot can go for a winner. He has very few strageties - hit it very hard at the player in an attempt to jam them, try to hit super low margin winners while on defense like you described, or hit hard fh's cc until he gets a dtl opening or short ball. His UE rate is very high, but his cc forehand is aggressive and consistent - I avoid forehand rallies with him because its hard to keep up. I think his style/strategy is junk but he made it onto a college team with that. I just try to stay consistent at 70-80% of his speed, hit some shots he doesn't like, and put him in situations where he goes for those slim winners, and watch the UE's pile up :)
     
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    What is confusing is that I equate "pushing " with a mechical type stroke While many define pusher as a strategically way of playing tennis as a defender.

    So what is the opposite of James Blake?
    I hear ppl saying Andy Murray was is? a pusher
     
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    Then your friend is not a true mindless attacker I described. If he keeps his UE down he may get something going here :)
     
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    HA! you could as well be talking about me.

    I like to control every point.
     
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    I had to beat a pusher this weekend. It was not easy. He made me to play his pushing game. But sometimes that's is the way to go - at least up to a point. Sometimes one has to push back, until the opportunity is there to attack. To attack from the start, does not always work....
     
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    Opposite of pushing is a... moonballer?

    Lol, anyway, I like to alternate between the extremes of ballbashing and pushing several times over the course of each rally.
     
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    ^^ Is the "variety overrated" thread still going? Lol.
     
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  39. chunlimeyers

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    I would like to give a go at this, because I couldn't beat "pushers", but now can. And, have their definition. A pusher, a true pusher, hits no spin, or just backspin, aims every shot to the center of the court, never tried to hit a winner. Its hardly what us "normal players" see on tv, and definitely how we see "tennis" should be played.
    It then ANGERS us, when that shorter ball played basically at the service T, we hit OUT, over and OVER again!.. And, all the wimpy pusher does, it seems, is NOTHING!(what is actually happening is, the pusher takes away our a)length, b)height(keeps the ball low), c)margin(as this is a ball nobody practices hitting d)spin(we are used to playing with other "normal" players who hit a decent amount of topspin, and so their is a weight to the ball that pushers take away by hitting no spin or slight backspin)
    Well, worked on my approach shot off these short balls, with spin and without, for about 8 solid months, to where I could hit 8 out of 10 in. Then, played my local pusher(and, believe me, their are TONS of them out there!), and, beat him, first set, 6-0. He challenged me to a second set, after barely winning a point. Beat him, 6-0. Then, sure, another set!.. Well, of course, things are going to change now! 6-0. He then threatened to play me for $20 next week! haha! I loved it! But then he waited instead until tournament time to rig the tournament and play me first round(because their would be more "pressure" and i would then "cave in". Yup, i did.. beat him 6-0, 6-1!
    So, lesson learned, work insanely hard on an aggressive approach shot, and follow overhead/volley, and, well, they will still p*ss U off majorly, because it is not cool tennis, and it is nothing you want to practice for or aim to be.
    I will go on to say i know other "pushers" who hit that same ball to the T, but instead, well, they hit topspin! Its a strange variance of the same concepts, and harder to beat(because it is harder to hit an effective/hard/low approach shot off this shot vs one with no pace/spin). I have seen this guy in a 4.0 match hit nothing but this for HOURS against another 4.0 pusher, for him to finally prevail in one of the most BORING matches i have EVVER seen! So, in this way, i would say that pushing is also bad for your HEALTH! haha
    And finally, everybody, at some point, pushes, even the pros. If you are one the run and have to play defense, you have to block, push, shove the ball back over, until you can get back a hold on the point and then hit your regular game. Its just that these guys, the true "pushers" are in perfect position to hit regular shots, but mentally refuse, or just simply don't have proper training to hit even a decent topspin ball, and have learned that 'blocking" is safer than "stroking" and learn to just track everything back and block it to the center of the court. Oh, it sucks, and many are in denial of this strategy, they think they are "Andre Agassi" and various other pros that don't hit ANYTHING like these players do. I blame the "widebody racket" haha. It should be and was built for older/amateur players with slower strokes, but is a mainstay for the crafty "pusher". I most times can guess just on the equipment of what kind of day I am out for, by how thick their frame is! haha So, with all this said, I say the opposite of "pusher" is just everybody else trying to play "normal tennis".
     
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    I don't agree with the spin part....
    Spin can be very defensive and percentage orientated...

    The pusher I played, has a lot of spin on the forehand - slices on the backhand. It's just that he is very defensively minded...He does not have any power, but he does have height over the net....almost Sanchez Vicario like. His aim is for me to make a mistake...aside from hitting more to my backhand (and not just the middle of the court like you say), his strategy basically consists of hitting one more ball than me, uncomfortable hitting area, and lobbing me when I approach. (I have since countered this by standing deeper and reading the lob)

    I beat him by going for less (as he just blocks/absorbs power)....being more patient than normal...waiting for a ball to attack or approach. Simply trying to hit through him when his ball is too neutral, will force the errors. One has to almost play to his level, and eventually have a better put away.
     
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