The Oversize Racquet Club

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Alafter, Jul 15, 2008.

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Why Oversize?

  1. Forgiveness

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  2. Power

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  3. Feel

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  1. Uncle Emmitt

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    played with OS racquets for years. 5.0 teaching pro.Just won 5.0 tourney. Not bad for a 50 yr. old!!
    Played with different agassi radicals 107 over the years.

    Play now with PDR 100 so guess I'm not in the club but thought you guys might like some comments from someone who played for years with an OS as well as others and am toying with the idea of demoing some. Probably 105's. Thinking of trying dunlop aerogel 600.( anybody hit with it yet?? would love to hear from you. )

    You will hear control frames are 98sg. in. and less or 100 and less from the " players" . Anybody control the ball better than Andre in his prime??? Don't think so, therefore it is subjective.

    * 1 ) One of the best benefits that you never hear about is ( again this is a personal feel for each player but was very significant for me) is the contact point can be taken closer to the body ( especially evident on the forehand ) that can make a shot have more power without as much racquet head speed. You tube agassis return of serve and you'll see how often it is very close to his body compared to most players. His strength along with racquet head closer to the body really absorbed that power and poped it back with tremendous pace.
    I hit the ball like that for years and have a little longer swing now but am missing what I could do with that type forehand. Now I want both forehands !!! Why not??

    * 3 ) to me ( again on the forehand side ) it seemed to make it easier to take the ball early on the rise . Again Agassi took the ball early on the rise as well as anybody.

    * 4 ) i do think it is harder to hit precisely a one handed backhand with it. The slice not so much but for drive backhand or topspin forehand to me it seems its harder to pinpoint. I know others though who it doesn't seem to bother. Again pretty subjective. Two hander ( i use both ) like a little more forgiveness and sweetspot so 100- 110 would be fine.

    To me OS with .5 added length felt pretty good.

    I think for a beginner or somebody who doesn't play much it can make the game more enjoyable.

    As a pro I often see beginner kids come out with mom or dads old wooden tennis racquet. OMG it is tough to watch so it can make the game easier to enjoy for beginners or those who don't play often with a bigger headed racquet.

    What did the potatoes say to the gravy ????

    * ur so hot, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
     
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  2. go13illy

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    count me in , i use a babolat pure drive 107
     
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  3. doaklanda

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    Yeah my first reponse..... Okay I just started and I swing an OS Wilson Pro Staff 125. On the butt it's labeled St. Vincent WI Any info on this racket would be appreciated. Thanx
     
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  4. goldenyama

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    Sign me up!

    Main weapon:

    Head Twin Tube Radical Tour OS - Klip Armour Pro 17g at 63lbs

    I pity those midsize fools!
     
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  5. goldenyama

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    haerdalis - I am thinking of ordering a Kneissl Black Star from TW, do you know if it comes with the buttcap inserts? If not, do you know where I can get some? Thanks!
     
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  6. Uncle Emmitt

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    doaklanda : racquet sounds like an older model is it heavy?
     
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  7. doaklanda

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    Yeah it's old it weighs 11.6 unstrung. I like the way it feels an the head is huge 125sqin. I'm jus beginning. Any advice appreciated
     
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  8. Alafter

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    Thanks guys. Gonna update the front page. How's the Pure Drive 107? Can you compare it to other popular OS?
     
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  9. tata

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    I started off with a OS recreational prince racquet,it was great for volleys and i really learned how to flat out my shots but soon most of my shots were going long so im using a MP now.
     
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  10. Enlightened Coelacanth

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    Wilson Pro Staff Titanium 6.6 (110). Considering the Donnays however but aware of the grommet problem.
     
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  11. AndrewD

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    A new oversize for me (possible replacement for my POG OS)

    I've been playing with the Prince 03 Tour OS cut back to 27 inches. It's a nice enough racquet but I'm not 100% sure that I can tap into its full potential - in particular, it's power supply. The response is very muted but very comfortable. I am only using Head PPS16 so could alter the feel a bit if I were to use a thinner gauge and get more power if I put in something like natural gut (will be trying that on the weekend). Overall: the flex is firm but forgiving. Topspin is good but not at the same level as the POG OS. Slice is weak (slice shots hit right in the hot spot will pierce the court, anything else tend to sit up - due, no doubt, to having less mass in the head). Comfort (talking about vibration) is far superior to the POG OS. Power is lower than the POG OS by virtue of the 03 Tour OS's lower static weight. That means you have to swing faster to generate good power, although a low tension can help. The 03 Tour OS excels at the net and is a far superior frame, in that department, than the POG OS. It's also, at least for my game, far more string dependent than the POG OS. With the POG I could use pretty much any string, regardless of gauge or material, and it would play pretty well. With the 03 Tour OS I'm finding that I need to put more thought into my string selection. While the Head PPS16 plays pretty well in the POG OS it gives a spongy and dull feel in the 03 Tour OS - as well as feeling underpowered. Looks like it will need a lively string and a thinner gauge (16g natural gut might be okay though) to give it an edge.
     
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  12. Alafter

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    Andrew

    Recently I picked up a PDR, and strung it with my regulart strings at my selected tension for 16 mains MPs. It's kinda cool. Have you tried it?
     
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  13. thanu

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    You can add me to the list... Prince Diablo XP OS.. OS frame, 28 inches long.. great racquet and I've demoed/played with just about everything... I keep going back to this racquet... I won't stray anymore. :)

    -Thanu
     
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  14. Alafter

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    Need yer string and tension
     
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  15. thanu

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    String varies... but I have prince syn gut multi at 57lbs in one of them, babolat pro hurricane tour 56lbs mains/prince syn gut 62lbs cross in one, one has prince syn gut duraflex at 63lbs.. I have a bunch more unstrung..... will have to get those strung up. :)


    Thanu
     
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  16. AndrewD

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    Do you mean a Pure Drive Roddick? I've tried a regular Pure Drive (plus and standard) but neither one really worked for me. I could serve and volley exceptionally well with them but just couldn't do anything with my groundstrokes. Couldn't imagine the Roddick would be significantly different.

    I'm going to put some 15L natural gut in the 03 Tour OS (in the one I've kept at 27.5 inches) at a low tension (45-50lbs) and see how that goes. Not expecting any trouble with control as I'm so used to handling sub 50lb tensions that my strokes and timing are pretty well grooved for it. If that doesn't give me the extra pop spin and bite I'm looking for (I can get very good spin at low tensions) but I still enjoy the overall performance of the racquet I'll probably try BDE Perf 17g natural gut. If that doesn't work, nothing will.
     
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  17. Alafter

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    I tried PD and I did notice the difference between the normal and the Roddick version. Please do give it a go when you feel like you need a taste of something a different.

    And yeah I wish I could try the O3 tour OS too. I almost bought one, but stopped myself (because I was overspending). If there's anything I wonder about, it is whether the holes would make significance difference from traditional grommets.

    Perhaps you could compare to POG OS briefly, because I am familiar with POGOS
     
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  18. AndrewD

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    ..........

     
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  19. Peter Szucs

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    pls put me in thx
     
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  20. Alafter

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    pls tell me your string and tension


    To everyone else on this board: here we compile all the OS users together. You can here ask these people on their opinions and such for OS!
     
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  21. Alafter

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    Use any current one.
     
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  22. AndrewD

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    Alafter,

    I've now switched completely to the Prince 03 Tour OS. Purchased two from TW (2nd hand but 8.5/10 condition), cut one back to 27 inches and kept the other at 27.5. Both play very, very well. At present I give the edge to the extended length version (could well be the first one I feel comfortable hitting groundstrokes with) but that could change a bit later. Admittedly, I do have the 27.5 inch frame strung with Tonic 15L, whereas the 27 inch only has Head PPS16g in it. That will make a huge difference. Don't think I'll really know which I prefer until I have both strung with natural gut and can compare.

    As back-up, I just bought (as of this evening) another 2 from TW. So, if I end up preferring the 27.5 inch version I'll have 3 to use for the next couple of years. If I end up preferring the 27 inch, I'll have 4 cut to that length.

    Power is not overwhelming although, with natural gut, it does have enough pop for me. The slice backhand which had felt quite weak now feels excellent - great depth, nice bite and wonderful control. Also hit some great approach shots off the forehand. Still lacks the POGOS's spin but the 03 Tour OS is so much better at net it feels like a fair trade.
     
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  23. Alafter

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    I guess this really depends on the string now. Also, what makes O3 OS less spinny than the POGOS?

    Oh yeah I also remembered that O3 OS tour's head shape is different from POGOS head shape right?
     
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  24. AndrewD

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    What depends on the string?

    I'm not 100% sure why the 03 OS seems to have less spin potential than the POGOS. Even removing weight from the equation, the string bed on the POGOS just seems to impart more spin - almost like the strings are spaced further apart. They don't really appear to be, but maybe there is a slight difference, I really can't say.

    One possibility is that, due to the OS Tour OS having less feed-back than the POG OS, I might not be 'feeling' the ball spin as much. So there might be as much spin but, as I'm not used to the racquet yet, I'm being deceived by the more muted response.
    I still think the POG OS is more spin friendly but how much more, I can't say yet.

    When I've played a bit more with it I'll offer a more reasoned opinion. At the moment, all I can say for certain is that the 03 Tour OS is streets ahead on the volley. That's another area where I feel it has a slightly less open string pattern : the ball doesn't 'jump' off the string bed as much as it does with the POG OS so volleys have more control and it's a lot easier to hit touch shots.

    The head shape is very close. The POGOS might be fractionally (and I mean, just a tiny amount) rounder, although that could be enough to make all the difference. Otherwise, I think the little silver decals at 11 and 1 o'clock might make it seem a bit narrower than it really is (kind of like the Aerogel 300's cosmetics makes it seem narrower).
     
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  25. tailofdog

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    Oversize alive & well

    Prince 03 silver, WEED, Wilson OUTER LIMITS, GAMMA BIG BUBBA, BABOLAT AERO BLAST, HEAD PROTECTOR
    String varies a little but, always quality. Lately PRO SUPEX blend. The Head Protector has a head poly. Head sonic power i belive
     
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  26. PrinceO3TourOS

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    Hello everybody, I need to be in this Club :) I love Oversize Racquets. I use Prince O3 Tour Oversize (with Head Fibergel Spin 16 at 27 kg. tension) since January 2007 and I can say it's an amazing racquet!, this racquet improved my game to a high level, just today I defeated a midsize fan in a match (by the way a very good 5.5 player) so my faith in Oversize racquets is bigger now :lol: in the past I used other oversize racquets (Head and Prince), but the PO3TOS is the best of all. Why I use an OS Racquet? that's because my elbow is very sensitive and I need more power and forgiveness from my racquet. This is a very friendly control racquet and I recommend it to anybody with elbow problems. I agree with people that say: "You must use the heavier control racquet you can handle" and if you want or need more power and good spin choose Oversize. Greetings 4 all :mrgreen:
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  27. Drewwonu

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    Sign me up! I use a prince 03 hybrid spectrum OS.
     
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  28. Alafter

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    thank you everyone for telling us your racquet.

    I have updated the first post with your contributions accordingly.
     
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  29. _skunk_

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    Could I sign?

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    My main is the TT

    TT (Head Rip-Control) 29 Kg
    TT (Toalson Gold) 29 Kg
    LE (Head Rip-Control) 29 kg
     
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  30. AndrewD

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    Well, you better add me.

    4 x Prince 03 Tour OS - natural gut at 50lbs


    Currently deciding better the racquet at 27 and 27.5 inches (it comes as 27.5 but I cut one down to 27. Very hard to decide as I do play very well with both of them. The 27.5 does give me a bit more power, I do prefer it at net (extra reach on volleys - great for intercepts and shots you have to lunge for- plus easier overhead) and I'm probably 50/50 with it on serve. Control off the ground is surprisingly good but, as someone with a few shoulder problems it isn't the best in that department. The 27 inch one has a fraction less pop but feels very nice in the hand and performs equally well.
     
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  31. Alafter

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    Done! It was only delayed because you didnt confirm on the Prince O3 tour OS whn you first posted...and then it slipped my mind.
     
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  32. goldenyama

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    Drakulie - I just took a couple of racquets in to be strung and noticed a demoable nBlade OS so I grabbed it. It's lighter than what I normally use but I'm looking forward to hitting with it tomorrow night, will post a review.
     
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  33. Alafter

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    I used to use it in stock form. But through time and some irrational modification, I am now using it modded, and I am used to the modded version.

    2.5 grams at 10
    2.5 grams at 2.
    5 grams in throat.
    15 grams in butt.
     
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  34. Alafter

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    To all:

    I will post a clip of myself playing the the Nblade OS. Just thought it might be interesting if we could all share how we use our sticks.
     
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  35. goldenyama

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    I hit with the nBlade OS tonight for 1 hour. It was strung with 17g syn gut. I was impressed by it's stability and control. Didn't like the feel so much. Nice and comfortable too.

    Overall I think it's an excellent racquet, one of the best OS frames from recent years that I have used. Great stability for its weight and good control. Ultimately though it's a bit too light to handle heavy hitting for long, and I have never had much success with lead - I prefer a heftier frame out of the box. I would definately reccomend it to an intermediate player or an advanced player who likes to customize frames, I could see it being lethal with a bit of lead.

    I would have to give it more of a hit to give it a better review, but next to try is my Wilson SV Kramer Staff 110 that I just got strung with VS Gut:twisted:...come on the weekend!!!
     
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  36. AndrewD

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    goldenyama,

    The racquet I'm interested to try is the Prince Speedport Black Oversize. Have you hit with that one ?

    I'm enjoying the 03 Tour OS very much but I would like to see how I would handle a more powerful oversize racquet (without going to a head size over 107-110sq). It might be that what I gain on serve (extra power with less effort) I lose on groundstrokes, but I'd still like to try it and see. . In that case I'd have to judge which I could afford to compromise on.
     
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  37. goldenyama

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    AndrewD, I have never hit with the speedport black oversize, It's flex rating seems way too stiff for my arm and it's a bit light. I tend to only use flexy racquets that are at least 11oz unstrung stock.
     
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  38. bluetrain4

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    I have a lot of racquets.

    Since March, I have been in a total state of confusion and, unwisely, I've been switching back and forth.

    After declaring by switch to the POG OS "official" this spring, I primarily used a leaded up Diablo Midplus over the summer. This is after two years of using a Diablo mid.

    I can still play very well with these frames, but have been gravitating to my POG OSs recently. The size difference over the midplus isn't a big deal. It just feels better, more stable, even though my Diablo Midplus has a lot of lead. Best volley stick ever, even though OS with an open string pattern is supposedly the antithesis of a great volleying stick.

    It's just great all around and one of the best "control" OS frames around. I just don't see the loss of countrol you're supposed to get with an OS frame.

    Insane backhands with this frame, and forehands are nearly as good, though I had to change my technique slightly. Serves are great too, but not as great as some of my other racquets. A bit cumbersome for serving. Great spin, but hard to hit flat bombs (at least for me).

    Overall a great stick. I usually play about 2 to 4 feet behind the baseline. OS makes a huge difference in my ability to step in closer and play on the baseline. Much easier to take balls on the rise and much easier with the OS head and the weight to block back pace and spin with shorter swings.

    Key is to let the racquet do some work.
     
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  39. -Kap-

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    I'll skip the poll section, because the true answer to "Why Oversize?" for me is that it's the only size my racquet came in. Heh.

    With that said, though, I'm very happy with the way my Agassi Radical LE plays, and currently string it with Topspin Cyber Blue at 53 pounds. It's a comfy, stable, and solid hit. :)
     
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  40. phoenicks

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    OS is only for old men, ladies and kids !!!
     
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  41. Il Mostro

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    Well, I guess I am almost "in". My regular stick is a TFlash 310 but when I found out that the Big Bubba was being discontinued, something compelled me to add one to my collection. It should be here by the end of the week. Then, I will be "all-in" -- 137 square inches. Yikes!
     
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    Very insightful. We're hanging on every word.
     
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  43. PBODY99

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    The Bubba has a nice high swingweight, which fools alot of people who have never hit with one. Early preparation and a smooth stroke made it a joy to use, however the light weight meant that the frames soften up after about 35 restringings. Are you getting the Tour Green frame 131 or the Pro 137 with the Black[blue cosmetics? I'm currently using the O3 Citron in the 1300 Power level.
     
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  44. Il Mostro

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    ^^^^^^
    It's the black & white 137, not the 137 Pro with the black & blue color scheme . I got it from **** bird -- their last one. I am working on a deal for a second one so a friend and I can play a Big Bubba challenge, as we do once and awhile with our Snauwaert Ergonom's. I am really looking forward to spending some time playing with the Bubba. It is being delivered strung with NXT 17g OS since I wasn't sure whether it would fit my stringing machine's 6-point mounting system. My round-robin group are going to poop when they see me whip this bad boy out.
     
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  45. BHud

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    I use a modified Wilson Hyper ProStaff OS (105"). Cut it down from 27-1/2 to 27" and replaced the weight under the bumper guard from 10 to 2. It has similar weight and balance to its 95" counterpart, but is much more forgiving. Power is reasonable as well. Great feel...player's racquet in a more forgiving package for the aging warrior! ...or leave it stock and rip away!
     
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  46. BergTennis03

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    HA.. you would know
     
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  47. BergTennis03

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    and i guess Andre using an oversize his whole career made him one of those??
     
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    yup - when he had hair he was a lady, then when he lost it, he was a new born :D

    just kiddin, I used to have hair like Andre, I hope I don't start balding :???:
     
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  49. Milik

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    I used the Wilson N1 and N3 ncodes. They were so powerful.

    But my coach made me switch to a smaller head so now I use a 105 Prince O3Red.
     
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  50. phoenicks

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    when he came back and win slams, he's pretty much an old man on the tour, so that kinda explains why he had been using OS. LOL:)
     

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