The Pro Staff 85 lives!!!

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  1. geesechops

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  2. Duzza

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    RIGHT NOW??? I remember a year ago or more you were going crazy over them in the Prostaff 85 thread :p
     
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    Yeah, I played with it in 2005 and 2006 then I switched to the K90 in 2007 because it was easier to volley and generate topspin. But, after a year a got allot better in both of those areas and just so happened to take my old Pro Staff out one day and was shocked how good I was with it. The Pro's at my club were amazed at how much better I played with it too (they never seen me play with anything but the K90) I had guys coming up to me saying "You have found your stick, you better stick with that one." I just smiled and nodded. And all of this happened after I sold my brand new Pro Staff 6.0 85 CHINA on e b a y for a nice profit. That 1 new pro staff has paid for 4 used ones.
     
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    Good for you. I wish you a happy future with your significant other.
     
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  5. Head_Rocketman

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    The 6.0 85 is one racquet I've always wanted to try but not really sure about. More of an intimidation factor I guess. It's hard not to be attracted to it when you hear its legend and how sweet it supposedly feels.

    I've gone thru the LM Radical -> LM Prestige -> PC 600 -> HM 200g. I figured I wasn't playing often enough to warrant playing with the PC600, though it was the sweetest racquet I've played with.

    Sounds like you play pretty often then? Is there any time where you don't play with it consistently, is it pretty brutal then?
     
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    depends how comfortable you are with it. sure, when i dont pick up a racket for a while, it takes me a few days to get back in the groove of things, but i donno that its particularly due to a racket. i've used other rackets before, but i dont think that id point to my ps 85 (current racket) and say that this one is particularly bad about getting back into the groove after a layoff. its all about comfort. ive never been as comfortable with a racket as i am with the ps85. it usually only takes me about 2-3 days to get back into top form for my favorite shot (serve)
     
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  7. Forehand Forever

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    I saw Krickstein play a few weeks ago and it's still the PS 85. I'm pretty sure someone asked him "You still playing with that?"
     
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    I wonder which makes he prefers?

    It's gotta at least be Chicago, SV, or Taiwanese.....
     
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  11. 80'stennis

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    Interesting how Krickstein has been using some of his sticks for as long as 22 years. Guess some don't have the same sensitivity to the "dead" racquet phenomenon. I hope my racquets can last that long, and I certainly don't put on the mileage a touring pro does. Then again, maybe retail sticks are of lower quality? Or maybe 20 years ago racquets were of higher quality?
     
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    Or maybe the whole thing about racquets becoming dead and losing their playability is propaganda started by the manufacturers to trick people into buying new frames every 2-3 years?

    I'm using the Ultra 2 right now. I've bought 3 off of the big auction site. All had some head wear, but were in decent shape. They play like a dream. I don't think that the racquets die the way people think they do.
     
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  13. jorel

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    didnt he use the ultra ii when he played connors in "the match"?
     
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  14. Arafel

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    Nope. He had tried Sampras' PS85 right before the Open and switched to it for that tournament, and used it through 92.
     
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    In 1992 Aaron krickstein switched back to Yonex and used the R-70.
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    im pretty sure he did use the ultra 2.... ive seen the match and it looks like the ultra 2
     
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  17. superstition

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    If people throw their racquets, hit them on the ground, or let them drop to a hard court the graphite can break down. If people take excellent care of the racquets then they'll last a long long time. The grommets are what are likely to wear out.
     
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  18. Ronaldo

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    IMHO the Ultra 2 is an extraordinary frame, solid even though it's not fresh. Also, better than the PS 6.0, weighs a ton.
     
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    Maybe for you, but the PS 85 is a much better all around racquet for most people. The Ultra 2 is not as easy to maneuver, but the pace you can generate is unmatched. Both great racquets, but PS 85 has more "gears" if you will. I played both for years. Unlike some posters that make comments about a racquet they played once.:)
     
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  20. Harry_Wild

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    I use the Prostaff 85 myself! It is just a great feeling racket that you can generate power and control at the same time with nice placement shots.
     
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  21. Ronaldo

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    Ultra/Ultra 2 balance and weight can be a handful but used them since 1980 till the early 90s. Only used the PS 6.0 since about 1985. Seemed more of a S&V stick but it is easier to use than the Ultra. Eventually elbow pain made me switch to a wet noodle stick, RD-Tour, then RDX-500.
     
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  22. Azzurri

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    when people talk about a difficult racquet to handle, I think of the Ultra 2. Unless someone grew up playing it (such as yourself). The Ultra 2 was a very stiff racquet, but the pure power from the baseline was un matched with most racquets I have EVER played and the weight is hard to handle. But its a classic and commands respect!:)

    Yes..the 85 is a true S&V stick. I know many feel its a nice bsaline stick, but I always thought of it as a volley stick..great for doubles. The POG is (to me) the best baseline stick from the 80's group of classic racquets.
     
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    What kind of PS85 did Sampras use? The St. Vincent, chicago, etc???
     
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  24. Azzurri

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    Huh??:confused::shock: You have over 1 thousand posts and you don't know! He used the SV. Now he is in the priocess of working with Wilson on a new racquet. some believe (inlcuding myself) that it will be the new Pro Staff 6.0 90.
     
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    I hope this new Racquet will be the true successor to the PS85. This would be a sweet stick to add to the bag and it would drive the price of the PS 85 down so I can actually buy a few more. But, it better be painted mostly black. If not Wilson is going to miss the bus big time on this cash cow.
     
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    I hear you geese, I just played 20 hours over the last week settling into the PS 85, man I am digging this racquet. a 90 incher balanced/same swingweight/beam/heft/weave/paint/mojo/etc could be in the offing. Otherwise I'm back on craigslist!
     
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    I've played both, and don't really feel one is more difficult than the other. The weight is similar, though the balance on the 85 is a little different.

    What I always found interesting is the PS85 was originally designed for two prototype baseliners, Chris Evert and Jimmy Connors, but was adapted more by serve volleyers like Edberg and Sampras. Likewise, the Ultra 2 was more for baseline play, yet on the women's side though, the players who used it most were serve volleyers like Hana Mandlikova and Kathy Jordan.

    I guess the motto is find what works. The Ultra 2 is very solid and does give great power, which is why, 24 years ago, when I was deciding which graphite frame to use after playing the a JK Pro Staff for 4 years, I went with the Ultra 2.
     
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  28. christo

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    Problem for me is the Chinese PS 85's just don't play anywhere near as good as the SV's and the Taiwan made ones. The Taiwan frames were just so much better, quite a bit heavier and the flex was way different. The lay up was very different, maybe you can find some of the old threads on TW, a guy sent me some info on how the Taiwan frames were made. No matter, they don't make em like that anymore so why worry? Enjoy
     
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    Well its subjective. I started playing with the China PS85 and prefer them to the Taiwan/St Vincents. I like how wide they get above the handle were the throat comes together and how the beam seems a tad thinner. I think this alters the playing characteristics between the two the most. Feels real solid in the throat, more than the K90 or St. Vincents, which seemed to be shaped very similar. One handed backhand returns (Blake style) are my favorite shots to hit!!
     
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    Both have their pluses (literally no minuses..the PS anyway) compared to each other. I remember both were touted for baseline play too. If you look back, lots of baseline players did use this racquet. It just so happens this racquet is excellent for both styles and 2 of the greatest S&V players used it (Pete and Stefan).

    I don't agree with you on the weight though. The Ultra 2 is way heavier (SW and static weight). The PS is juts easier to manuever. Probably why the PS ended up winning out on which was going to be more popular...kinda like Beta vs. VHS and Blu-ray vs. HD DVD.
     
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  31. BreakPoint

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    Don't forget that when the Ultra 2 and the PS 6.0 85 came out that most of the public was still using 65 sq. in., low-powered wood racquets, so compared to that, both the Ultra 2 and the PS 6.0 85 were much eaiser and better to use. By the time Sampras and Edberg became top pros, most baseliners had already gone to even bigger graphite racquets.
     
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    LOL shame on me. So he used the St. vincent, interesting. I've never tried a 90 frame before. I dunno my NTRP though. Is it true that the 90s and 95s aren't really that different in size?
     
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    I could be wrong, but I believe there is a 5 sq. in. difference in size. :wink:
     
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    Nah! It's a paint job.
     
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    Has anyone ever heard of a PS 85 with XKN letters?
     
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    how does the st vincent differ from the early chicago in playability?
     
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  37. Azzurri

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    do a search with Chicago and forum member Drakulie. He had played both racquets for many, many years. If I remember, he said the Chicago was a bit heavier. I also think he liked the Chicago better, but few people have the opportunity to play it because it was only made in Chicago for a year. Its probably the rarest of the PS 85 line, but no where near as sought after because of Pete Sampras.
     
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  38. Thor

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    HI guys id appreciate if some could help me.
    I got a PS 85 for 25 bucks.
    I have to change to a new leather grip,other than that the head has some marks(from the outside - 3 to 9 oclock) but the rest of the racquet is like new.No cracks or anything.

    It has a white buttcap and a XKN,can anyone tell me what it is?
     
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  39. VGP

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    ^^^^ pics, pics.
     
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  40. Azzurri

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    Des it have an red primer underneath the black paint job? I will assume it has no red primer. Never heard of St. Vincent with the letter N. Without pics, I would say it is a Taiwan or early China version. The primer will tell you if it was manufactured in SV. Some late model SV were finished in Taiwan, but having that primer makes it for sure. Also, I assume it has a bumperguard?
     
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  41. VGP

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    what if it's a swapped out buttcap?
     
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    With red primer, it could only be a Chicao or SV. If it has a bumper, then only a SV. Never heard of a Chicago with a headguard.
     
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    Whats red primer?

    No headguard,thanks
    Ill try to upload some pics tonight
     
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    I have 4 pictures the guy sent me before we met - none of the buttcap or headguard.Im trying to upload but have no idea how...
     
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  45. Azzurri

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    oh..you don't actually have the racquet in hand. No bumper? Its either a Chicago or SV version. Both great racquets. Buy it!
     
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    I remember in another thread where Slappano mentioned such a thing as them not being so different. That the 5 sq in was really not much. It was the AG 100 thread in the TW comments section.
     
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    Yes I do have it in hand,I already bought it.
    Those pictures were sent before i went over to pick it up

    I can see some red under some scratch,is that the primer?I thought it was
    paint that was stuck..

    How can i upload some pics?
     
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  48. Azzurri

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    He was joking on you. .5 is not much of a difference at all.
     
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  49. Azzurri

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    yes..that is the red primer. You have to store the pics and link them. I don't really know how and never felt like asking. Someone please help Thor. Thanks.:)
     
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    upload them to the tinypic website, then cut and paste the link they give you for message boards
     
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