**The PURE DRIVE 2012 Forum (club)**

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  1. BC1

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    I understand, and I feel the same way about the reg pd, and I have the same concern. It's weird, when you just hold the two in your hand you can tell the pdr is heavier, but not by much, and not as much as the extra .6-.8 ounces should feel. Yes, the sw is higher, but once again not as much as you would think, and when you're playing it's not near as noticeable as say the 6.1, or what I would imagine the 200 would be like. HOWEVER, I did not get to play a whole match with it, and was not under pressure much, so I didn't give it a thorough testing. It is heavier, but a smoother and an easy swing at the same time. They seem to have got the weight placement perfect in the PDR.
     
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  2. Power Player

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    I should add I played 2 sets with the PDR and then practiced for close to 2 hours and it never felt heavy. So this is good. Racquets get heavy to me on serve first and that never happened.

    On groundies I just am late if it's too heavy and I know it rather quick.
     
  3. BC1

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    pp, what is the weight of your's again? With over overgrip and dampner, but no lead. I think the one I played with yesterday was 11.9.
     
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    Yes I remember. It is right around 340 grams. Just depends on your strings. Full poly would weigh a little more possibly.
     
  5. BC1

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    That's about right. That's right at 12oz.
     
  6. Power Player

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    yes it is close.

    My magic # is 345 grams. I seem to always go back to sticks that total out right there even though I have enjoyed 325 as well. Its just a little too light and the balls dont have the same weight behind them.
     
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    Played last night with a friend who also has PD12 and has it strung with a full bed of Hurricane Tour (52lb).

    Man, that thing is STIFF. I didn't realize how soft Hurricane Feel was until I kept switching back and forth (mine is strung at 50lb). I don't think I can last much with the full bed of Tour or any other stiff poly's with PD12.

    I didn't see much difference in power or spin generation either between the two racquets. I may stick with Hurricane Feel in the future for my hybrid set up.

    That was really interesting as I have had a full bed of RPM Blast on my EXO3 graphite and they did not feel anywhere near as stiff. I think the port holes in Prince racquets make a huge difference there.

    After this little test, I would recommend Hurricane Feel if you are looking to give your arm a break.
     
  8. DANMAN

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    I agree with everything you have posted on these boards except that the Roddick swings like a 315. That thing swings way heavier than the PD standard or even the PD+, not to say it swings too heavy, but I feel like it is much closer to 330. I've used 330-337 my whole life and that frame fits right in there...it just doesn't feel all that headlight to me. Nonetheless, not picking...just stating my opinion. I agree it plays fairly light for being a 12 ounce frame, but in the end, it is still a 12 ounce frame. Just out of curiosity, what level do you play (ignore me if you want...none of my business)? I guess for me growing up with a 11 ounce racket and continuing with it makes a 12 ounce frame seem pretty heavy to me (even though I swung Pure Storm Tour + frames for about 2 years but realized I just wasn't as quick getting them around).

    I first took interest in your posts when you noted how heavy of a ball the PD+ hit, even without lead. I always hung easy with 5.0+ players in terms of ball heaviness with a PD+ without any weight on it and am now doing it with a PD standard. The power of the babolats...the pure drives have really revolutionalized tennis from the pro level to the amateur ranks.

    I'm just not a fan of modding rackets with lead. There are so many options out there that I've never needed to. I did, however, get my new PDs in 4 1/2 (usually use 4 5/8) so that if I wanted to I could add a heat shrink sleeve to make it more headlight (coming from the plus length frames I notice the relatively more head heavy balance), a characteristic I really like when it comes to frames.
     
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    Well let me swing my new one to make sure I did not get a light PDR, but the one I use swings so easy. Yes, it is 12 ozs but for me it is a very very fast racquet.

    I dont play usta right now, so I get set up for matches and play 4.0-5.0s. I have no idea if that helps, but I usually only lose to a 4.0 if I making an insane amount of unforced errors (which I do some days). I also have recently been a hitting partner for some top 100 usta juniors as asked by my tennis club. we dont play sets, but we hit the crap out of the ball at each other.

    I used to not be a fan of lead, but now that I have figured out exactly what I want, I love it. I know when I need lead and where I need to place it, so it simply makes the racquet better for me.

    I started with 4 inch strips on the PDR at 3 and 9 and ended up going with 6, which is perfect for me.
     
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    next chance i get, I will measure the swingweights of a PD12 and a PDR12 on the RDC machine.
     
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    If the PDR is over 320 stock ill be surprised.
     
  12. BC1

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    My guess is 326.
    Maybe we should start a pool and put a couple of bucks on it!
     
  13. DANMAN

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    Doesn't TW post an average? 328 seems pretty legit
     
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    Yes they do, and that probably is a good average. They unfortunately are all different though. LIke snowflakes, no two racquets are alike.
     
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    TW Swingweights are never right. Mid west is much more accurate. I just checked and they have it at 315.
     
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    With all due respect, how is it possible to have a 12 ounce racquet, 5-7 hl, with a Swing Weight of 315? That seems scientifically impossible!
     
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    Not at all. My head graphite master was 12.3 ozs, 307 SW and balance of like 6 or 7 pts.

    Babolat put foam in the bridge of these pure drives so the swingweight does not go up nearly as high.
     
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    Their (TW) average seems much more accurate. The PD and PD+ are both listed as 308 SW at the place you mentioned. It doesn't really matter in the end. Buying off specs is risky business. Demoing is the only way to know. Glad you are liking the PD Roddick. I enjoyed reading your experiences with the PD+. I'm very happy with the PD standard and a buddy of mine is playing his best ball ever (high level 4.5) with a PDR+. Babolat clearly has 4 winners here.
     
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    They are are great rackets. I very tempted to switch from my beloved Exo3 Tour 100's. I'm still wondering if I could actually play a match with such a light frame. I love the extra power of the frame.
     
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    I agree, but they are always about 10 pts low
     
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    My PD definitely feels higher than 308. It's gotta be at least 320.
    I will guess the PDR is around 330.
     
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    that's what lead tape is for
     
  23. BC1

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    Damn you PowerPlayer. It's all your fault! And I'm holding you totally responsible if I don't like it.

    I am having a PDR2012 strung right now with Gut mains at 60 and Alu Power Crosses at 58. Ended up trading my rebel98 and an extra pd2012 that was pretty beat up as it was a previous demo. Anyway, I got the PDR with the gut/poly set-up. Can't wait to see if it's as good as everyone says. It will be done at 3:00 today!!

    And Yes Dgdavid - you called it as well, so I'm also holding you responsible.
     
  24. Dgdavid

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    My PDR has Xcel in it and found its way back into my bag after three games. Spraying everywhere like the demo I had earlier this year. Finished game with a very solid and predictable Pog. Got to change the PDR strings. I really want RPM Blast but no one seems to like it in here.
     
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    Sorry to hear that. Hope I don't have the same results. I actually do like RPM, but as everyone says, it seems to loose it's good qualities quickly. However, I still think it is a good option. I just prefer alu power. How about pro hurricane? I know some that are happy with that in their pds.


    By the way... Thanks for bringing me down!! I was all excited until you mentioned your bad experience. What a downer :(
     
  26. YesTennis

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    String question for standard PD. Has anyone else played with a full bed multi using Babolat Xcel, NXT,etc. As someone in their 40's, just don't want to get elbow/shoulder problems. Do you think their would be too much power if strung at 58 or 60?

    Or do you think the safer/better choice is to go hybrid of gut/poly or full bed of soft co-poly( TF X Code or Kirschbaum ProLine 2 or evolution?

    All thoughts appreciated. I think I'm getting paralyzed by the choices. Help!!!!!
     
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    I don't think full Xcel at 58 would be too much power. The PD12 has really surprised me with the level of control you get. I wouldn't go below 55, but anything above should be fine.
     
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    I'm going to string up my second pdr with full multi. First string up is discho microfiber. I'll do 58#s.
     
  29. bluetrain4

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    I had my 2012 PDR strung with RPM Blast, and it was "fine" but not great. Lack of pocketing maybe. Dropped tension and pocketing was better, but then it felt a little too mushy and rubbery.

    So, I went back to what I used to use in my Prince Diablos - 17g kevlar and 17g syn gut. Fantastic, at least for me. Very crisp, but not boardy (I know that's a relative feeling, given some people will always think the PDR feels way too stiff and boardy). I really, really like this update.

    Not exactly a true "control" frame, but I just don't understand people saying that they're spraying balls everywhere.
     
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    Yes I agree. I can hit rather precise shots easier with this racquet than I was expecting.

    It's not like I have a prestige scalpel, but its so much easier to use.
     
  31. YesTennis

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    Thanks all for your help/suggestions
     
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    Exactly. For me the reference would be a Prince Diablo mid or a Dunlop 200 series. The PDR isn't going to give me the scalpel-like control of those frames from my past, but it still has overall great control, and the gain in power, spin, and, most importantly, the ability to get more stick/depth when in a defensive position, has been great.

    Of course I miss my classic frames at times. But, its always about tradeoffs.
     
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    Yes agree. I really like the defensive shots with this racquet. A lot of power keeps me from sending back easy sitters.

    I just need to keep hitting with it and spending time, but I can't find any issues with this frame.
     
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    PP you should try NXT Control. I have a full job at 55 and its not even close to too powerful.
     
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    i always break NXT so fast though. microfibre lasted Mikeler a long time so that is why I decided to try it.
     
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    PP, Jack, BC1 etc, I'm in a bit of a mess here (what's new) and need gentle advice...

    If I am not liking the PDR much with Xcel at mid, is it likely I will feel much different with another string or would the incremental difference be relatively small? I ask because it is £32 to switch to decent strings over here so experimenting is expensive. My first impression of the Pure Storm Tour 2011 was better - also with Xcel and I want to try that with a poly too and it is starting to add up £s wise. Wondering if maybe the PD range just isn't my cup of tea.

    Already inclined to chuck it all in and switch fully to POG OS or a newer derivative like the Exo3 Graphite 100 but don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Do you think Xcel at mid is a bad comparable for the PDR or should I cut my losses early for once. Got a round robin tournament Monday and will definitely have the POG OS in hand.
     
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    you may just not like tweener style modern sticks. nothing wrong with that.
     
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    that might well have been staring me in the face for quite some time. as a matter of interest, would you regard the Head Prestige and Dunlop 200s as more traditional type frames (I ask because I liked them also)?
     
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    yes. If you can hit deep while being pushed back and in a defensive mode with those sticks you are in good shape..i find that tougher to do as they are lower powered.

    i love the feel of those frames..just great stuff. I just had to work very very hard out there.
     
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    Just play with what you like. Sounds like you are trying to force a square peg in a round hole.
     
  41. LanEvo

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    I took my new PDR 2012 out today, it is currently strung with Addiction 16. Next time when I go home, I will change to poly, but it is definitely a nice step up from my old PDRC. I love the popping sound from it, and it is definitely more stable and forgiving on off center shots. On the PDRC is you shank the ball, the whole frame vibrates, with this one not so much. I will definitely be switching to these.
     
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    You're right as is PP. Thinking about it, I didn't like any of the tweeners that much except the Warrior. I probably could like the PDR and PST when I like the POG a lot. Listing them for sale, someone is going to get a bargain (at my expense :().
     
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    If only you were in the USA, I would take it off your hands. I need an extra.
     
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    Exactly even when I out of position or just have to dig the ball back with the backhand I could just take a short swing and get it back deep.

    I too love the plush feel of soft player's stick like the prestige and especially the prestige mp but I rather sacrifice that for something that is so much easier to use.

    I'm still loving my vantages as they offer the best old school feel in a model stick but at 365g, they can get a bit much.
     
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    i have left the club unfortunatly but they are great bats. i made a thread on the whole line i'll dig it up incase anyones interested
     
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    I agree. No spray problems at all with either Pd or pdr. But especially not with pdr. Verry controlled power. I had more sprays withhfhe rebel 98. Yet the rebel 98 did have more of a scalpel like feel.
     
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    I will, the first and third gen pure drives still remain my favourite sticks to this day, just a shame that I cant use them :/ one day I'll use them again
     
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    Yes. May not be for you. HOWEVER, the strings can an do change a lot about the racquet. I have to say i am definitely on board with the gut/poly setup. It trully is great and has it all. Power control feel and great comfort. Ive also hit with a full bed of alu power and that is good as well. But would choose the hybrid anyday. Hate to see u give up without trying it. But I understand. I hate spending money on strings if you're not sure. We all need stringers!! Personally ithink I agree with the other comments and u maybe better off letting them go :(.
     
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