**The PURE DRIVE 2012 Forum (club)**

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by BC1, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. PaulJ

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    I'm a former Div I college player, well past my prime, my one-handed topspin backhand is my best shot and yet, oddly, I struggle to hit it consistently well with Babolat rackets, the PD in particular. It's frustrating because I love Babolat frames for everything else, to the extent that I have continued to play with them for 7-8 years despite the backhand issues. It's not that I can't hit one-handed backhands with my Babolats, the stroke remains fundamentally solid, it's just that I can never settle into that zone of total confidence and comfort where you can just step in and unload on a ball and know, even before you hit it, that it's going in. Those screaming backhand winners disappeared from my game. Anyway, so in a moment of nostalgia last month I tossed an old Yonex RD7 in my bag and took it out for a hit and I just couldn't believe the difference. My backhand has never felt better, effortless power and control. It's suddenly the same shot it was in college (as long as I don't have to move to the ball). That said, I miss the Babolats on the forehand side where I feel like I can generate, more than any other racket, tremendous ball compression. I should confess I'm using the 2011 PD and came to this club because I am tempted by the inspired beauty of the 2012 version. Absolutely gorgeous racket. But it sounds like others are having the same experience I have struggled with.
     
  2. mawashi

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    PaulJ don't think just go n demo the stick cus U'll never know if it will work for you. Also cus of your racquet history you might also consider the pdr2012 and the pstgt.
     
  3. Hominator

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    Yup. I have a sensitive elbow, so I string poly low, if I use it at all. My other 3 2012 PDs are strung with full natural gut at 63 or 64 lbs, for reference.

    The tensions above are for when my racquets are strung with a lockout machine, BTW.
     
  4. JackB1

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    How do you guys like my new avatar? :)
     
  5. mawashi

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    If you are going to change stick in a week... I hate it.

    If not I love it lol!
     
  6. Power Player

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    lol..yeah jack will change in 2 months.

    The avatar has spoken.
     
  7. jjs891

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    Does it mean you officially switched from warrior?
     
  8. JackB1

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    Sadly yes. I didn't think the PD would win out, but with the right string setup it works great for me. Also my doubles partner tried, liked and bought my Warriors so I had no choice :). But I do really like the PD12 and after a few good, bad, good, bad outings with it, I finally got used to it and am now playing very well with it and more important, consistent with it. I will stay with the PD at least through the end of the Summer and then "reevaluate".
     
  9. JackB1

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    I have noticed about 4 or 5 changes from you in the past few years, so don't act like you are so different :)

    But truth be told....I can usually stick with 1 stick for 6 months or so. Yes, I try new racquets whenever they cross my path, but I usually stick with my #1 racquet in competition for 3-6 months. I used the London for over a year and the Dunlop 300 Tour for over 6 months.. I don't pretend to be anything I'm not and I LOVE trying out racquets, so that's what I'll continue to do :)
     
  10. jjs891

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    Jack'

    So is it pretty much a wash between pd and warrior?
    Anything that separates the two distinctly for your game?
    Just curious.
     
  11. Power Player

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    Yes but I don't make avatars to each one. They are a curse I tell you, a curse. lol.

    good to see you guys are all loving the gut/poly...god its so good.
     
  12. JackB1

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    Yes I could use either one about equally as well.

    Warrior has slightly more power and slightly larger sweetspot.
    Softer and more arm friendly. Less distinct feeling sweetspot.
    Easier on touch and feel shots.

    PD has more feedback to your hand...more distinct sweetspot.
    Slightly more control than Warrior.
    Nicer cosmetic! VERY sharp looking racquet.

    BOTH are great on serves and from the baseline.

    The deciding factor for me, was the nice feeling you get from the PD's sweetspot and the much nicer cosmetic. Also, the PD is easier to string than the Prince with its O-Ports.
     
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  13. Power Player

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    That is a huge point...what racquet is easier to string?

    Honestly something that is important. I hated stringing the Prince EXO with those ports.

    Babolat only has 2 annoying blocked holes for the top cross, since the bottom ones are easier to get through. With a poly cross, it is a non issue, but with a multi or gut cross it helps to plan ahead a little bit.

    The easiest racquet to string for me is the PK7G. Easier than Babs due to no blocked holes. Also Wilson's string up very very nicely.
     
  14. JackB1

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    When most other things are equal, why not go with the prettier and easier to string racquet? :)

    When stringing the PD, I put scrap pieces of string in there to assist with the blocked holes. That last cross spot to tie off is a in a super tight spot also. You can barely make the knots fit.
     
  15. jjs891

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    Yeah Babs are pretty easy to string.

    Vantage's last cross is horrible to deal with.

    Does Warrior come with its specific boomerang?
     
  16. jjs891

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    If you're using poly in the cross, it should be no big deal to push through the blocked hole.
     
  17. JackB1

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    no. But you don't need it. Just get an S-hook that fits and use that instead.
    oh use your turntable brake or use your hip.
     
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    true.. I needed to do that when I strung full set of NXT control
     
  19. LanEvo

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    Wilson's 90 headsize lines as well, pulling the string through 2 strings on the bottom last cross.
     
  20. dgoran

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    I know exactly what at you talking about one question have you tired extended Babolats? For whatever reason my backhand to this day is best with 18 by 20 pro tour 630 a stick that I can absolutely swing out on my backhand and know exactly where it's going almost like a lefty forehand it's that solid that I often run around to hit my backhand. Now with Babolat I have to take it easy with my backhand and sold of hold back a little where stroke is not violent and relaxed if that makes sense but almost guided and that annoyed me a lot with Babolat in the beginning. That was until I tired to get used to extended rackets and found that aeropro drive plus in particular and pure drive plus to a lesser degree does not bother my backhand. So I a curious if you have ever tried for a longer period of time to get used to an extended pure drive type racket?
     
  21. kyofu

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    anyone tried fullbed of nxt tour on this frame?how does it work?
    how about a full bed of rpm blast?
     
  22. Power Player

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    Im super stiff and sore from resuming a weight lifting routine the past few days..for about 15 minutes the roddick felt kind of heavy..and then my muscles loosened back up an it felt like an old friend again.

    Tha gut poly just slingshots the ball so well..man..I have never swung so easy and hit so big. Chin to shoulder, pull offhand across body, launch off back foot, and booooom.
     
  23. BC1

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    Yes. My obh seems a little weaker with the Pd then with others. Especially frames such as the 6.1. However, it is better withthe pdr. The extra weigh and slightly difference balance seem to help.
     
  24. BC1

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    Like it jack. Cool pic. Did you take it or download it?
     
  25. LanEvo

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    Got a quick question, how does the 2012 PDR compare to the regular 2012 PD? I have always used the PDR, but the PD's weight has certainly attracted my attention in terms of customization potential. Anyone have any input? It is greatly appreciated.
     
  26. Power Player

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    The PDR feels a lot more solid since it is heavier. It doesn't give off any vibrations, whereas the standard would give me some..only on framed 2 handed backhands though - so not very often.

    I demoed the standard and plus at first and the standard played well but I preferred the extra beef of the +.

    If you like to mod past 12ozs, I would suggest the PDR. I add lead to mine because I find it to swing rather light for it's weight. It reminds me a lot of a wilson 6.1 crossed with a Prestige with the topspin and power of a pure drive.
     
  27. JackB1

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    download........
     
  28. Power Player

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    One benefit I am getting from going back to standard length is I can rip crosscourt shots a lot easier. I was working on this last night. I normally hit a lot of inside out forehands..probably 80%, which is a ton and people cheat after a while, giving me the crosscourt.

    I focused on crosscourt shots last night, and even when getting pushed wide. I could still get around on some balls that were very wide and hammer them with pace again.

    Just my experience but it may help others figure out if they want to go + or not.
     
  29. NetNinja68

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    I think the new black paint and the slogan "The dark side of power" makes the 2012 play even better than before, if thats even possible??? I used to play with the Pro Open at about a 4.0 level but once I picked up the new PD I started crushing even the most skilled 5.5 players, unless of course they were also armed with this incredible masterpeice of human engineering. Last week I had my serve clocked at 175mph and was asked to leave afterward, as when the ball hit the newly resurfaced court it left a huge hole like that of a small meteorite!!!
     
  30. Power Player

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    ^^^

    Early happy hour today?
     
  31. Ross K

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    Got to say I'm not sure my 2hbh has ever been better than with the PD+ Swirly. The serve isn't too shabby either with that as well.:wink:
     
  32. Ross K

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    You say the PDR doesn't give off any vibrations (which appeals to me a lot)... how precisely then would you describe it in terms of stability/plow?

    BTW, this line here:

    Now you've got my attention re the new PDR, PP!:)
     
  33. Power Player

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    Ross..I would say the plow is pretty much top notch. I found it to swing and whip rather easily and I was really liking the 325 gram PD +, but it ended up being too light once I refined my technique a little more.

    Anyway I added 6 inches of lead at 3 and 9 for even more plow just because the racquet swings rather light and I wanted to slow it down a little more. The plow and stability is even more enhanced this way.The reason I compare it to the prestige pro and 6.1 is because they are both 12oz + sticks with SWs in the 320s that serve exceptionally well. My PDR modded is the same..12ozs but the SW is very manageable.

    I would also state that the PDR is far more powerful than the prestige, so when I am out of position I can still hit a strong reply rather often. Basically I find it a much easier racquet to use compared to those 2 options.
     
  34. Ross K

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    Cheers Power... hmmmmmmmmmm... :)
     
  35. LanEvo

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    So of the new PD line, can you rank them from best to least for me? I know there is the thing of personal preference and all. But, I would still really enjoy your opinion.
     
  36. Power Player

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    I had a couple of emails asking how I setup my pdr, so here we go:

    6 inches of 1/4 lead starting at the 4th cross from the top. So basically 6 grams.

    Gut mains at 60, cofocus crosses at 56.

    Tourna grip and babolat square dampener.

    Total weight = 345.
     
  37. GarryClarke

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    hi guys

    i just want to say ive just purchased a 2012 PD and should have it at the end of next week:)

    im getting it with factory strings and factory tension settings so i will need your help on what will be the best strings and tension for my game!!!!!!

    im a complete newbee with about 8 months of tennis under my belt.

    i like to play the baseline and serve as hard as i can but would also like to be able to add plenty of slice/topspin on my ground shots.
    is this a tall order as its a bit of a mix??????

    many thanks in advance and please be gentle with your answers as im just getting use to all the lingo on here:oops:


    garry clarke
     
  38. Power Player

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    Just read through the thread. Gut/poly is a great setup though.
     
  39. mawashi

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    Not really the pd2012 can do that in spades.

    Big serves no problem.

    Big groundies of course.

    Slides b dices, being a light stick u can slice really easily. I've been playing with ps2012 n really think its one of e best sticks out there. Of I I had to add a bit of lead but it plays fine without it.

    A word of warning this stick eats string like cotton candy. The power n open patten will just kill stings in a few hours.
     
  40. JackB1

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    Guys I am a little worried I may have declared my switch too soon. For some reason I get much more power on my serves with the Warrior. Ever since I switched my practice teammates have noticed I lost some zip on my serves and I get broken more now, where previously with the Warrior I held serve much more easily. Should I try an even lower tension? I currently have Head gut with cofocus crosses at 56/52.
     
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    The curse of the avatar has struck!!

    Just try some lead at 12. I could never play the PD stock. You just need to up the SW a little. The standard PD is begging for lead since it's SW is so low. You are simply missing the 315-230ish SW of the warrior. Add 4 grams of Babolat lead at 12 (babolat lead is super easy for this type of mod) and you will have the same balance as the Warrior and same SW.

    Done.
     
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    PP-how much lead would you recommend to start with at 12?
     
  43. Power Player

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    2-3 grams, but I think Jack could get away with 4 since it will match his warrior better.

    I had 3 grams at 12 on one standard + and 5 on the other so they matched up.

    My PDRs both specced exactly the same so i didnt have to do any compensation.
     
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    They are both 4 pts HL so if I add lead to the PD, it won't have the same balance as the Warrior....I would guess 4 g's at 12' would bring it to about 2 pts HL. I will try adding some lead though to the PD at 12'. I will try 2 g's first. I may also drop the tension 2 lbs on the next stinging. I am not finding the PD12 as powerful as it's reputation suggests. Even on the Babolat website, it is listed as more control than power.

    In switching between the Warrior and PD, I don't notice THAT much difference in swingweight. I wonder why I am not getting the same pop on my serves?
     
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    I too have found the 2012 std pd to be not quite as powerful on serving and also see that even Babolat have rated this model less powerful than previous models on its scale on their website. In spite of this I am a big fan of the new pd but do miss my "pop" on serves, and easy service game holds.

    I've tried lead here, there and everywhere, and it all just messes with my head so I ripped the lead off. Have demoed the PDR and PDR + versions, but I've always played std length pd's.

    2012 std PD, VS Touch @ 57lbs, syntec grip w/ vs original over grip
     
  46. Dgdavid

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    Jack, I found them to be quite different to be honest. Looking back on them, I would still go back to the Warrior if my impulsiveness hadn't shipped them out the door and I would probably buy them back if I could. I wouldn't choose to play with the PD Standard in a match though. Didn't give the PDR a fair chance so no comment on it. You seemed to love the Warrior set-up with Beast/Attack for a relatively long period (for us racketoholics anyway). I must admit, I was surprised you switched. The PD is great at times, others not.
     
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    Power.......really like my PDR 2012, but I think is too much power for me, mostly at my forehand side , cause my grip is modern eastern.
    Can I use some lead for over power???
     
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    Don't you mean YOU are great sometimes and at others not? The frame doesn't change. The Warrior is a great frame. It offers more power and a more comfortable feel than the PD.

    BigM
     
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    No that is not what I meant. I meant the racket. No problem with you disagreeing, fine in fact - this is a discussion board afterall and I have learnt a lot from it but it is what I meant.

    From my perspective, and as various testers are fond of saying, if you are having a good day some rackets are great for you as an individual but on a bad day, they can be unforgiving. I feel this way about the PD Standard. In this respect it is me but on the other hand, the fact this is not true for other rackets suggests the racket itself is an important component. Otherwise we would all play as well with a PS 85 or a PD 107 if it was nothing to do with the racket. I like the PD on certain shots (love the forehand and serve) but dislike my 1HBH with it. I can't nail that shot with the PD and if it was only that mattered, I would struggle with other rackets but I don't. Perhaps I can rephrase it as "The PD is great FOR ME at times, others not". I also prefer the PD when I am attacking but not on defense at all. I like the Warrior a LOT on defense and reasonably happy attacking with it but not quite the PD level. On balance with the ebb and flow of my game and match circumstances, I prefer the Warrior over an entire match.
     
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    You are right and I still have a Warrior, but I was trying to stick it out with the PD for the time being, but one area I cant compromise is on serve. I may go back...we'll see.

    So what are u playing with now?
     
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