**The PURE DRIVE 2012 Forum (club)**

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by BC1, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. JackB1

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    You are 100% correct. We are ALL influenced by others comments here and would be lying if we didn't admit to it. Isn't that why we all read reviews anyway? We like positive reinforcement and to be part of a "group".

    I am not giving up completely yet. I just will be using the Warrior for competitive league matches. I still play a lot of "fun" recreational tennis where I will pull out the PD. But my first impressions of the PD were not good and I forced myself to keep trying it, probably due to all the positive posts about it from you and others. Last night I went back and forth serving with each and it was noticeable how much better my serves were with the Warrior.
    I will NEVER switch to a racquet that doesn't AT LEAST serve as well as the one it's supposed to replace. That's my unbreakable rule.
     
  2. Power Player

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    YESSSSS best avatar ever.

    I seriously dont get how you cant serve big with a pure drive, but I have never seen you serve either.
     
  3. JackB1

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    The serve isn't bad at all....it's just not as good as with the Warrior. Also for some reason, the regular PD feels "shorter" to me when serving, compared to the Warrior. Must be the hoop shape, since they are both exactly the same length. When I serve with the PD I have to hit the ball slightly lower on the stringbed, whereas with the Warrior, it feels more natural.

    I will try and take some video soon of my serve and maybe some groundstrokes so you (and others) can see where I am currently at technique/skill wise. I am still a high 3.5, but knocking on the 4.0 door right now :) If I hold my current position in one of my singles leagues (2 matches to go) I will get bumped up.
     
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    My serve was abbreviated but I have been serving traditional again with a much higher ball toss. I definitely can hit big serves more consistently now and the PDR accentuates that. My main issue is consistency and no racquet really helps this, but the spin I get with the gut poly and PDR combo has helped me a lot.
     
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    Does anyone play this PDR with BHB7 (17g or 16g)? Can I have your opinion on how it plays and at what tension it plays best. Thanks!
     
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    The serve rule is probably one I also follow, but there's no doubt that it comes at the cost of groundstroke play at times.

    One Yonex I played with was rejected because of the serve, but I haven't found its equal in general play.



     
  7. DrewRafter8

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    I have the 16 in my Black Drive+ right now. It's the softest poly I've personally used. I just have one almost three hour session with it. I'm dealing with some injuries and can't make it back out yet. Spin generation is solid and there's plenty of pop. I never could get dialed in on groundstrokes but serves and volleys were excellent. I think the main issue I had was that a stiffer string allows me to swing out more and reap greater benefit. B7 had a ton of power and I need more time with it. I had Tour Bite in before and I preferred how the stiffer string played but overall prefer the feel of B7 in the BD+.
     
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    Agree with the serve rule as well. That's where most points are won or loss. For me the Pd shines here. But the warrior and rebel 98 are close.
     
  9. NE1for10is?

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    I hope you guys can help me out, because I'm having a severe case of PDRSA (PDR Stringing Anxiety). I'm getting tired of stringing this racquet with poor results. This is what I've tried so far:

    VS Touch (BT7) @ 58/BHBR @ 54 - Too stiff & low power
    VS Touch (BT7) @ 58/BHBR @ 52 - Ugh, worse
    VS Touch (BT7) @ 58 full bed - Good power, still stiff, hard to control, played pretty well with it tho.
    Pacific Tournament Pro Prime Gut @ 56/Synth multi @ 56 - Dead, no control
    Synth multi @ 60 full bed - Fair power, poor control
    Wilson gut @ 59 full bed - eh
    Addiction 17 @ 60 full bed - best so far, not so great after 5 hours of play or so, not much spin, not winning matches with it and it's not so great on my arm.

    So, I'm thinking of trying either a full bed of non BT7 VS gut @ 57 or 58, or possibly gut on the mains and RPM in the crosses, but I'm not sure what tensions.

    Any helpful suggestions appreciated.
     
  10. JackB1

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    Wow you sure are persistent! I think at this point you need to consider that maybe this racquet isn't for you?. But if you aren't giving up, I would recommend Xcel at 56 lbs. It appears that you just don't like gut and you did like Addiction, which is a cheap and not the best multi. Try a higher quality multi at 55_57.
     
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    Did you also feel like the PD "feels" shorter than the Warrior on serve?
     
  12. mawashi

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    Seriously look at the common variable... 58lbs that's the prob go lower bud go lower.

    I string my pd at 50/48 and it plays great albeit it's full poly but give it a try at 5 lbs lower.

    Being an experiment, go full poly as it's cheaper then gut till you get the correct tensions.
     
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    Try Tour Bite at 55 with some nice multi on crosses. Or simply Babolat n.vy 16 :) Forget BHBR. That's a second grade string.
     
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    BHBR is a good value poly, buts its not a good choice as a cross with gut mains, as are any textured strings. A round and smooth poly is the best choice as a cross for gut mains. I would say if Pacific gut & CoFocus at 56/52 don't make you somewhat happy, then ditch the racquet, cause that's about as good as it gets with the PD.
     
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    I agree ^^^. Go lower. I also stand by my hybrid of vs gut main/Alu power crosses. Maybe around 52 for you. If you find that too stiff and not powerful enough, then its time to switch racquets.
     
  16. ChicagoJack

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    I keep saying this like a broken record. Any gut with MSV Co-Focus. Trust me. It is glorious.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=394623
    -Jack
     
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    That thought has never entered my mind, so no. However, I can somehow see why you would say that. Like you said it probably has to do with the headshapes, also maybe its due to the extra flex of the warrior. It obviously is just perception. But as they say... Perception IS reality.

    To ansswer your question. No. The Pd does not seem shorter to me. But the head on the warrior does seem larger then 100 sq in and larger then the Pd. So that could be it.
     
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  18. KarmaKorps

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    ... Quoted for truth. For me, there is nothing close to the performance of co-focus (17L/1.18mm) on crosses, and especially blended with gut.
    I think it's not just a fad, this talk of gut mains/poly crosses.
    The benefits make it an easy choice for me. Comfort/feel, power, above average spin - and the biggest surprise... durability. As we know, the concept is for the gut to slide a bit against the crosses, reducing damage. And it must be true. Amazed at how long gut lasts with co_focus...
    Using this setup on my Dunlop 200 Tour, I went 2+ weeks before popping the mains.

    Yesterday, I changed my string setup and opted for VS Touch (as opposed to Pacific classic gut) in the mains @58lbs, and kept the co-focus 17L in the crosses, 56lbs.
    Hit the courts last night and straight away thought "this is worth it".
    No disrespect to Pacific gut fans, but the VS was noticably better in touch/feel. Maybe it won't last as long, but for now, it's tops for me. More than anything, I felt this setup was perfect for the BDR+. The way the frame responded with this stringbed was intoxicating! What pop, and that late-breaking topspin court dive was there too.

    Enough superlatives, I suppose now it's time to see if I can win a match with this thing.
     
  19. BC1

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    ^^^^ Never tried co-focus. But I agree the combo of gut main and poly crosses is the best set-up I've tried. It is perfect for the pd or pdr.

    However, it seems like I've lost some control and the bed has a little trampoline feel, which it didn't have the first two weeks of play. Maybe my tension has dropped too much?? It still feels great, I'm just having a little more flyers then normal, but it could very well just be me.

    Does anyone know how long this set-up should last before tension falls too low or the poly dies? And does it die like it would with a full bed of poly? I've had no problems with durability and there is no sign of either string breaking. I am using VStouch gut in the mains and alu power in the crosses. Both are probably around 50 now (guessing).
     
  20. NE1for10is?

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    Alright, thanks for the tips guys. I'll try some non-BT7 VS gut & CoFocus at 56/52 and I'll let you know how it feels.
     
  21. Power Player

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    Without a doubt VS Touch is just amazing and is the best string you can buy. I am fine with Pac Classic as well because I get incredibly durability out of it, plus it also feels nice and gooey in the PDR, but nothing beats the quality of VS Touch.
     
  22. BobFL

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    Wow, Power Player is using VS Touch!! Power + Touch = Awesome! :D
     
  23. KarmaKorps

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    Aye, Pacific gut is still relevent. The choice comes down to how your wallet is feeling when it's time to buy more strings.
    I should have mentioned I popped my last Pacific string outside the sweet spot. The fraying was minimal - I think it could have gone on much longer otherwise.

    But to answer BC1... After about 10 hours of solid hitting, yes I notice a higher trajectory. My serves have more on them, for example. When I notice this trampoline effect, I use it as a reminder to relax and let the frame do some work for me. I usually get the impression that I've been getting away with some ball muscling during the first few hours of play, due to me thinking I have imminent control off the fresh string job.

    Despite being an ok stringer, I get my racquets strung at a small Tennis/Kite shop in North Austin. Small little shop, knowledgeable guys. Time and again, they hear from the reps that poly is essentially bad for you after a couple hours, and it's best properties have fallen off dramatically in that time as well. I'm sure for many here, this is well known.

    Obviously, some Polys hold tension a bit longer, will be softer than others, etc - but their elasticity is lost very quickly. you can still reap the spin benefits and perhaps control before too much tension loss, but shock and touch are issues.
    With a gut hybrid, my impression is that you will still lose tension in a similar timeframe, but you retain a useful portion of the forgiveness/elasticity, and the gut lasts longer - which makes this setup both healthy and cost effective, while having a good measure of control. The issue you face is having to endure the performance difference over the lifespan of your string job. At least with the gut hybrid your health is preserved, and you spend a bit less.

    Anyway, not sure if I'm allowed to mention the tennis shop name (in the forum), but these guys have been in the business a long time. They still remember Andy Roddick when he'd come knock on the back door to get his freshly-strung racquets (early 90s, before he relo'd to Florida). I enjoy hearing their input and experience gained from the tour events they attend (various vendors, tour stringers).

    BC1, there is always the option of suffering through the initial stages of higher tension - it will at least be less harmful on you due to the gut. This might add a 'third phase' to your stringlife experience, and potentially reduce the lifespan, but you may wind up with a slightly tightter 'floor' tension for the majority of the string's playable period, if that makes any sense.
     
  24. Power Player

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    haha..no, im using pacific classic, but my first gut poly jobs were VS Touch.

    karmakorps you make some great posts.
     
  25. KarmaKorps

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    Thanks PP - back at you, though. Been reading these forums for a couple years now. I've become aware of several frequent contributors, and consider you one of them.

    I think I remember you from a couple threads on Dunlop 200 and the Radical Pro (I used the MG Rad Pro, and then 4d 200 & 200 Tour).

    Coincidentally, here we are with the 2012 Roddicks. But I think anyone who ever even wondered about the Pure Drive has no choice but to test drive the 2012s. The PJ is out of control awesome. Since I was playing really good ball with my Tours, I felt I could distance myself from that and be reasonably objective.
    I'm still not sure how a frame can be so stiff and not be uncomfortable (even considering the use of natural gut). It's gotta be the new tech, right? Anywhere near the sweetspot and the feel is actually a bit plush.
    Trying to get a singles match setup for this weekend. That will be a better test on how I'm doing...
     
  26. richsox

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    I 100% agree with this. Have been an ardent Pure Drive user for about 10 years, and always have used VS Touch @ 57lbs. Have dabbled with other string types, but VS Tiouch rules without a doubt.

    Find a good source for decent price. They are out there.
     
  27. charless

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    I am currently using:

    Luxilon ALU Fluoro at 58# in the mains
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    Wilson NXT at 60# in the crosses.

    This combo worked great in the Dunlop 4D 300 Tour. When I realized I needed more power (hello Pure Drive!) I still stuck with this exact setup.

    Anyone care to comment on my string choices/tension with the PD 2012?

    Thx in advance! :)
     
  28. JackB1

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    Sounds like a very stiff setup with the poly mains at 58. I would personally drop it down to 54 at least, with the crosses 3-4 higher.
     
  29. JackB1

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    Don't count the PD12 out yet!

    I served very well with it tonite. Maybe the stringjob loosened up a bit?
    I do really like the gut/copoly combo.
     
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    Thanks for the great reply. Good advice and info. I think I will start out with a higher tension next time.
     
  31. Power Player

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    My leadless experiment was a success - it reverified why I prefer the lead at 3 and 9 on the PDR. I had 1 stick with lead and the other with it removed. I was wayyyyyy ahead of the ball with no lead. The racquet just felt very light and I was mishitting a lot. Gave it a solid hour and went back to my leaded setup. It was night and day..timing and consistency was back, and I did not have to swing as hard to hit heavy balls.

    I will get the racquets SW measured on an RDC machine, but I am telling you there is no way the roddick SW is over 320 stock. No way.
     
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    While we are on the subject of strings, I will give my two cents. For those of you on a budget, I say give the tourna big hitter black a try if you like co polys. TW has them for $89.95 a reel or $8.95 a pack. String has decent power/control and really great spin (topspin, sidespin & underspin). The packaging describes the big hitter black as a string falling in between big hitter silver and big hitter blue in terms of power/control but with massive spin due to its heptagonal geometry.
     
  33. mawashi

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    Hmmm interesting... from your post on another thread your PDR is 345g... my leaded up PD2012 with a leather grip is already 343g and 8 pts... the sw is also in around 320 or more How can your PDR be so light?
     
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    So guys, I have an opportunity to buy a mint PDR with Gut barely a week after selling my own one having only tried it with Xcel (and without losing any money). What's the view on the gut making a dramatic enough difference over Xcel to make it worthwhile snapping it up? Having to add 15g plus to the V1 at the moment.
     
  35. JackB1

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    I don't think the difference is THAT dramatic myself.
    Not enough to win you over to the stick that is.
     
  36. Power Player

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    Both of mine weigh the exact same. dead on spec at 315 unstrung.

    I believe the racquet is 315-320 SW stock, so that sounds about right. your leather grip added some SW and probably 6 grams of weight.

    I also want to figure out my balance exactly. I am guessing it is 3 points HL. I use tournagrip XL which is around 6 grams, and then 6 total grams at 3 and 9.
     
  37. ChicagoJack

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    Hi PP,

    No biggie, just thought you'd like to know, leather grips don't add any swingweight at all. Seems counter-intuitive I know. It is possible to increase SW by placing additional weight at the very top of the grip, say between 6-7 inches from the butt end, but you'd need to add a whopping 50 grams (two more leather grips) right in that spot to get a mere 1.5 more SW units.

    Also, If the TW starting specs are correct, (I think there is ongoing debate about this)
    337g strung, 5pts Hl, SW 328,

    Then Your PDR Standard Length with tournagrip and 6g lead at 3&9 should be pretty darn close to:
    349g, 5pts Hl, and SW of ~338 (see screen grab)

    As for me, I went with the Non-Roddick +Length. The lower weight gave me room for a Wilson Shocksheild Grip, Head Extreme Soft Overgrip, Ektelon Dampener, 10 grams in the palette, and 10 grams at 3:00 & 9:00. Final specs are 12.5oz, -12Points, and ~340sw. It's pretty effing sweet. I'm using string savers, 16 gauge gut, and restringing just the poly crosses at around 12 hours or so. The cost of the very best strings available (imo) is actually quite reasonable this way.
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    Of course they do. Plus, TW's specs are avg numbers (measurements are taken from several frames). Bab's tolerences are pretty much industry standard: +/- 7 grams and +/- 7 points. For example, 2 PD/R can be 20+ points and .5oz apart from each other. PP is a very lucky guy to have 2 with same specs.
     
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    Hi Bob,

    Not intending to get into a wacky match with you, but can you provide a source for your notion that weight added to anywhere from 0 to 6 inches from the butt end increases swingweight? I could be wrong of course, but I'm using the modification calculators here at TW and at the USRSA. Both of the calculators were created by one of the few folks on the planet that do racquet physics for a living. I'm entirely willing to learn something new here.

    I have three PD plus length frames. All the stock weights were different, with the widest spread at 5g, but I've gotten them pretty matched up now. Yes, PP is indeed a lucky man to have two that match right out of the box.

    Thanks

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    Jack any weight added to a racquet will increase the swing weight. Maybe not that much compared to as in the head, but it will add something.

    I'm going to try and get my racquets specced on the rdc today so I'll post how close we got guess wise as well.
     
  41. ChicagoJack

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    Okay, uhm... here is a riddle for you.

    Where exactly is the clamp location when the racquet is placed into the RDC machine for testing? There is an industry standard for this. What is it?

    Jack
     
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    i get what you are saying, but I am telling you that adding weight anywhere to a racquet will increase it's swingweight.
     
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    Okay whatever, and still haven't answered my question. 83 degrees and not a cloud in the sky here. Too nice a day for a wacky match, I'm off the play in this glorious sunshine. Peace my brother.

    Jack
     
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    I found the question to be phrased as if I am an idiot or something and I am not sure why you'd come at me like that over such a minor disagreeance.

    Anyway I got my info from a racquet customizer who does work here locally. The RDC I can go to (babolat) swings the racquet from the handle.
     
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    Before I switched to finance I finished 2 years of Mechanical Engineering and this stuff is pretty basic. So I can tell you these things as a facts:

    1. every single additional gram of mass will increase SW
    2. what is going on when you go closer to buttcap is this: you get LESS points of SW PER INSTALLED GRAM OF LEAD kind of similar to what the theory of diminishing returns explains
    3. you can 'fool' RDC machine easily but you cannot full your body, arm and muscles. Just swing racquets and you will clearly feel how sw changes
    4. RDC machine is a great little piece of hardware and very useful but the way you/we swing and how the machine measures it are VERY different
     
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    So I have switched over the the Plus version of the PDR now, I am definitely hitting better BH and FH with it and net play is much smoother as well. As well I noticed the PDR + is a bit more HL than the standard PDR, as well, I picked up a regular PD + as well to try out. We will see how they are. I still need to pick up a regular PD to try as well. My only grip with the Plus size is my serving, I haven't quite adjusted to it. It is a tad too long for me there, but with a few technique changes, I should get it going. My biggest advantage I have with the Plus now is the ability to run and get balls, it is much easier on defense.
     
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    The RDC machine at my local tennis shop has the racquet being clamped into the machine by the handle.
     
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    C. Jack....of course ANY weight added anywhere on the racquet (including 0 to 6 inches from the butt) will increase the swingweight. Making the racquet heavier will of course make it feel heavier to swing. If you don't believe this, try it out yourself. Wrap some leadtape several times around the butt end of the racquet and see how it feels.
     
  49. stronzzi70

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    I have my 3 PDR 2012 with Babolat VS Black/ wilson syntetic gut 50 lbs.....WOW this is the perfect combo for this racquet IMO, soft and quit over power in this racquet.
     
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    I heard VS Black is different than the natural....true?
     

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