**The PURE DRIVE 2012 Forum (club)**

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by BC1, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. GarryClarke

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    jack i no what your saying on MSV being a stiff/harsh setup,even my stringer said are you sure about it!!!!!

    but i need to try it just out of curiousity,its the only way we learn even if others say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lol
     
  2. GarryClarke

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    ha ha ha and sorry jack for the loss of translation from the UK to the USA:)

    PANTS in the UK means "rubbish" "crap" "no bloody good" "useless" think that just about covers "PANTS" lol

    cheers garry
     
  3. JackB1

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    You need very fast swing speed to get the benefit from poly. If that's not you, I would pass on the poly.
     
  4. mawashi

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    LOL, MSV is known to be stiff but at lower tensions it plays beautifully. If you are not a string breaker, you could even try 1.18mm, most players use that gauge here.

    Another thing is please get a good dampener like the babolat custom dampener:
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Custom_Damp_Red_Blue/descpageBAB-BCDRB.html

    The insert really helps to soften things up.
     
  5. neil1b

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    I had the opposite story. I have the roddick plus and the roddick standard. Tried the babolat gut/ rpm at 60/55 hated it with a passion. Put babolat pht in both at 56 and loved , I mean loved the racquets. I actually think the plus plays better. I think the serve and groundstrokes are much better and the racquet, being more headlight is easy to use. The standard is a great stick, but the plus is for me. Go poly all the way. The previous versions liked the poly in the low 60's. The new one is perfect at 56.

    Everyone is different so try it. I hated the gut/ poly set up
     
  6. LanEvo

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    That is my exact story, I have a PDR+ and PD+. Both work really well, PDR is much for stable and has more power, but the PD is so easy to swing and I can just whack the ball as hard as I want. The regular PDR just felt to HH around the head/hoop area for me, compared to my old PDRC it was much heavier around the head area.
     
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    LAN,

    It must be the Arizona weather that makes the plus better......I'm in surprise

    Lol!
     
  8. JackB1

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    The other downer with poly is that it does dead fast and you need restring very often.
     
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    That's the thing, MSV hex seems to go on and on and on unlike most polys.
     
  10. GarryClarke

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    i already knew it was stiff but at the power tension,s you recommended im more than happy to go with once the black excel dies.

    from reading on here there will always be the big debate on full poly/arm/shoulder problems and im lucky i suffer from neither

    im just trying to go with whats best for me and nothing else,i no it might be mission impossible but i will give it my best shot lol
     
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    No I wasn't referring to aches but rather when poly does dead and the zing is gone!

    Then it becomes like a fat lazy dog lol!

    I believe a lot of issues with poly is when it notches and dies, imagine a stiff, hard string trying to move when it has to get out of a ditch. For most other strings like gut, syn or multi, notching isn't really an issue as there is a lot more stretch in them and that helps in comfort. Once heavily notched, a bed of poly feels like a board.

    Fresh, poly slides like on ice but once dead, it feels like it's glued on.

    Exactly, only you can tell if it'll work for you :)
     
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  12. GarryClarke

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    "lazy fat dog" lol now thats a saying to remember lol

    now thats exactly what happened to the strings that came with the PD,the 1st outing was great but after that it was like hitting with a board,no power/spin at all,dead as a dodo.

    im on my weekly tuition wednesday so will see how the exel plays again.
    dont get me wrong about excel as it gets a good review and others play well with it as a full bed,its just a shame im not clued up enough to try a mix and then i have to mess about with tensions!!!!!

    i might just buy a stringer and be done with it,i have watched loads of video,s on youtube and its not as complex as i first thought,yes i will mess up a few times but will get better in time lol
     
  13. LanEvo

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    XCel is nice, but too expensive imo. I am using Tristar 16/XCel Black 17 hybrid. It is not bad. Low powered imo, and produces good spin. Personally I prefer low 50s tension, because it is right there in the middle, not too low and not too high. But if you prefer, try 56 or so, because when the strings settle in, they drop around the high 40s, low 50s lvl.
     
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  14. GarryClarke

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    thanks LanEvo

    and yes Xcel is well over priced so regular restringing is defo out of the question,even if i buy my own stringer and buy the string in bulk.

    are you using Tristar 16 as mains and the black Excel 17 as crosses?????

    i do like plenty of power but can always customise with lead.

    now the seach begins for a good stringer at a reasonable price (any suggestions are welcome) lol

    many thanks garry
     
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    Yep, that is how I am doing it. Your local area does not have a tennis shop? Personally, I charge $10 labor for anyone who brings in their own string. So for you it should be 15-20 Euros/Quid/Pound (Whichever currency name you may use) for labor in your area.
     
  16. GarryClarke

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    thanks again

    it cost me £22 with string supplied (full bed of black excel) and yes black excel isnt cheap,thats why the MSV focus hex 1.23 is a great alternative as its only £5.50 for a 12m pack.

    i just thought buying my own stringing machine would keep the cost down plus i can experiment with different set ups/tensions!!!!!!
     
  17. LanEvo

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    Well for a decent machine, 6pt. mount dropweight will run just under $500USD. You can get a cheap one, and it will do the job, but I recommend the 6pt. mount secures the racquet perfectly.
     
  18. GarryClarke

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    thanks for the advice:)

    will take that onboard as im looking at them right now,in the UK they range from £230 (drop weight) to £380 for a crank handle version.

    http://www.jfc-tennis.co.uk/product...-challenger-ii-drop-weight-stringing-machine/

    http://www.jfc-tennis.co.uk/product...ro/pros-pro-manual-stringing-machine---pilot/


    a table top machine will suit me better as it can be stored easily than a stand version (limited room in the kitchen lol).
     
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  19. LanEvo

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    Well they both do the same thing, dropweight takes a little while longer. I have used both, and personally I prefer the Crank because it is much faster. I can do a racquet on the Crank in around 40 mins. maybe less easily. While on a dropweight I take anywhere from 45 to an hr. And these are all taking my time, double checking everything. The only thing with a crank is that it needs to be calibrated every so often (~20 stringjobs), while the dropweight does not require any of this, just string and go. If you are stringing for yourself and for an occasional friend and not restricted on too much time, then save some money for string and get the dropweight. If you plan on maybe doing a little stringing business, for yourself and some others, and need to go faster then get the Crank. In terms of usage both are about the same for me, both are just as easy to use. But if you can afford it, I would definitely go with the crank, that is my personal choice.
     
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    thanks again and i will go with the dropweight (crank version) as will only be stringing for myself.
    and like you im not in a rush to string my racket so if it takes me 2hrs i dont care as long as its done right.

    ive just been watching stringing on youtube and it doesnt seem to bad,i thought it would be a nightmare lol


    many thanks garry
     
  22. LanEvo

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    The first couple may take over an hour, but after that, the times sit around an hour. Just use an old beat up racquet for your first one and try it out. And I think you mean the "ratcheting" Dropweight version? Not the Crank version right, as that is what you were deciding between the dropweight or the crank?
     
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  23. GarryClarke

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    yes i did mean racheting dropweight version:oops:

    have also got a beaten up racket to try it on but as i said i dont mind taking 2hrs to string a racket (triple checking everything) plus i can always revert to youtube if i get confused (which isnt hard lol).

    also these floating clamps/starter clamps,i see they have fixed ones on the machine,is it better to have the seperate floating clamps as the fixed ones look cumbersome??????
     
  24. LanEvo

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    Trust me, fixed clamps are way, way better there is a reason why the fixed clamp system is more expensive than the floating ones. It does get not cumbersome one bit, it holds tension much better so that the string does not come loose while being held as opposed to floating.

    Read this thread: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=149446

    It should give you some more details.

    And since you got ratcheting you mainly just need to watch Gamma dropweight videos as their system is similar to the one I showed you.
     
  25. GarryClarke

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    your the man and thanks again
    will check that link out and try youtube for dropweight videos.
    im defo going to get a machine.

    cheers garry
     
  26. JackB1

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    all your questions Garry will be answered in the stringing or stringing machines forum. Can we get back on topic please ?? :):)
     
  27. GarryClarke

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    jack

    getting a bit carried away with all the great advice on here and yes your right there is a search button (relavent threads) and i should have worn it out by now lol

    hope you dont think im a "post punisher" as im not like that honest.

    settled on a stringing machine now and will keep on topic from now on i promise:wink:

    thanks garry :)
     
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    Thanks!..........
     
  29. LanEvo

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    So anyway, I have decided on a racquet, PDR+, will be looking for another and posted my PD+ for sale in the FS/FT section. While the PD+ gives me better control in all areas over the PDR+, it just does not give me the stability and power of the PDR+.
     
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    I hear the newest Pure Drive coming out will be the Garry Clarke edition, in honor of this thread. lol.
     
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    He certainly took away "lead posting honors" from BC1, didn't he? ;)

    BTW, I changed my avatar back because I think you are right about the avatar curse PP! After I switched to full Xcel at lower tension,
    I played great for 3 outings...switched my avatar back to the Pure Drive pic and just like that, went into a mini slump. I am playing later today,
    so I will let you know if the "avatar curse" is gone! :)
     
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    I dont see myself selling my PDRs. That could change but I want to have these babies around. They just are not jiving with my shoulder right now and league play starts next week for me.
     
  33. GarryClarke

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    pmsl @ PP:)

    soon to be released in powder pink ;-)

    thanks for being kind guys as i no you could have slaughtered me for taking over the thread :grin:
     
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    Chicago, agree on your groundies comment, especially directional control.
    Opposite experience on serve, though. I find my flats are better with the plus, and kicks find the frame every once in a while.
    This morning, I briefly swapped my BDR+ with a friends lighter, VS gut/Blast strung PD+ cortex. I was just unloading on ground strokes, it was so easy. I was whipping through on every stroke. My timing was simply better - couldn't hide from the obvious. This, compared to me being very capable with the 12.4+ oz Dunlop 200 Tour had me very frustrated. Something about thinner frames and 95s are very attractive. How can I be effective with such dramatically different frames... and what does this mean going forward.

    Yesterday, after exchanging breaks with a 40-ish former D3 player from Singapore, was on serve at 3-4, up 40-0, DF'd twice (both times just trying to hit kickers), then put a mid court forehand into the net, eventually losing the game and the set - I was using the Roddick +. He had a sub 11oz Prince frame, of all things, and he hadn't played in almost 6 months. Since he slightly sprained his left hand golfing last week, he had reverted to a OHBH (which he first used a long time ago)... He'd been playing a lot of baseball with his son, who's going overseas for the summer...
    He's just getting back into it and wants to hit a lot this summer.
    Anyway, during our practice match, I found myself not swinging through the ball, not whipping through it. I was more thinking on placement, guiding, and not whipping/spinning and relaxing. I'm convinced it's because my subconscious knows the Roddick+ is a piece of artillery. Back when I hit with my Instincts and Radicals, I definitely whipped more.
    Perhaps I need to tame the extra 1/4 in by moving down in weight to just the PD+. But the other part of me knows that the Roddick+, at barely 12oz w/overgrip, really isn't that heavy. I feel like I should be able to man up for it.
    It certainly doesn't feel heavy to me. And the Dunlop 200 feels downright lightweight, now - it's tempting as well. So what we have now are three viable frames...
    I really hate not being able to stick with something and just use if for two years - it's a curse, frame-hunting.
    I really liked the PB-10 mid (I reviewed it and signed 'G' over at Tenniswarehouse) and the Yonex vCore 95 (plush, pop, control, but not sure about serves).
    Now, I am thinking about going with the PD+ 2012... I just want to play tennis and stop thinking about frames!
     
  35. LanEvo

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    I have both, and yes it is exactly as you have said, on serve, grounds, etc. with PD+ you can just unload them, but start shanking and mishitting a couple with the PD+ and you will see what I mean. The PDR+, although heavier is just so much more stable and forgivable over the PD+. if you read back a bit, I own one of each of these. On a good day I will use the PDR+ solely because I am confident, on a bad day the PD+ makes up for it with its light weight.
     
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    Yes been laying low in this pd thread, but still casually following along. Like everyone else here, its been the usual on again off again love affair with the pd. Played alittle with it today and it was all good. I can tell strings are getting too low though. Maybe that was your problem jack with the excel third time out. Problem with the pd is when your slumping the pd seems to really bring out the errors and balls fly everywhere, making it so easy to blame the racquet (or strings). At least that's what I have the habbit of doing. Then you put it away for a while and bring it out a few days later and magically it is the best racquet ever.

    One thing for sure the pd is very string sensitive in my opinion. The string type and tension can transform this racquet in so many ways.
     
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    I took a 2012 PD+ demo out for a drive yesterday and thought I'd share my thoughts. I used to play with the PDGT+ and currently have the APDGT+ as my go-to frame. I play with full poly strung tightly and outfit the PD2012 with some obnoxiously yellow Yonex Poly Tour 1.25.

    Compared to the PDGT+, the 2012 was a little lighter to swing, although not as significantly as the difference in TW-listed SW might suggest. It's power level, IMO, was nearly identical, as was its spin potential. All shots had the same zip and (slight lack of) control that the GT version produces. I struggled with short ball put-aways as I was always hitting them long. Serves were amazing. This thing can hit absolute bombs. The biggest difference was what others have said--this Babolat has some feel! It was MUCH more solid feeling than the GT, and more comfortable on the arm, too. Baseline rallies were so buttery that I didn't want them to end. I also thought that the feel allowed for some more creativity with finesse and touch shots. I had quite a few angled volleys and droppers for winners that I can't usually hit with Babs.

    Compared to the APDGT+, it was more powerful but not as spin-friendly. Serves were better overall, but not kickers. I didn't get the control that I'm used to, but the feel was still better. Comfort-wise, they're about equal. I could definitely tell that the PD stiffness was at or near 70. My APDs feel like they're at about 66-67. Overall, I still prefer the APDGT+, but if you're a PDGT player, it's time to sell your sticks and move on to this one. It's as good or better in every department. I hope Babolat can take some of the magic they put into the 2012 PD and inject it into the 2013 APD line. Those would be awesome frames!
     
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    I'm a former APDC+ user who couldn't transition to the GT. If Babolat makes the APD+ in 2013 feel closer to my BD+ I'll be all over it!
     
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    PP hooked me on gut/poly and it's the absolute best that I've tried!
     
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    I'll go against the grain here. I did think if buying my own stringing machine initially but I don't break strings every week or even in 2 so unless you are the sort who loves to spend his time stringing up his stick every time some new string appears or you are absolutely fussy about the feel of the string like michael chang, I would not buy a machine till I'm very sure how much tennis I'll be playing.
     
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    there is always one (YOU) lol

    after my 1st experiance with the strings on my PD and the cost of a restring over here i thought buying my own stringing machine would be a good investment!!!!!

    i dont intend on trying every new string out there as i dont have the knowledge but stick with a tried and tested setup and buy the string/strings in bulk.

    i play 3 times a week 2-3 hour session,s and can see the PD getting through the strings at a rate.
    have made my mind up on getting a stringer now so all ive got to do is stick my short arms into my deep pockets and buy it:shock:
     
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    PP got Me to try it as well. Loved it in the pdr, but not as much in the pd. However I know the reason is because the tension is too low.
     
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    Ah 3x a week... that sounds like u might need a machine lol!
     
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    So I switched back my avatar and guess what? Played great tonite! :):)
    PP is 100% correct about the avatar curse!

    Also, I added 2" of lead at 12' to my PD and I liked it. Added a little zip to my serve and groundies.. Didn't feel much heavier at all. Maybe I should add more?
     
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    Wow your avatar looks great...[​IMG] where did you find her and how well did you play her lol?
     
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    The last thing I want to do is have to go back to my LM8 because the PD eats strings and a hole in my pocket!!!!!!

    Probably worrying over nothing but I'm not exactly filled with confidence!!!!!!!
     
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    Don't worry, if you are not a string breaker, you won't be stringing that often if the right poly is used lol!
     
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    jack ive got 4" strips at 3/9 o,clock and the PD seemed very stable with volleys/at the net and returning big serves.

    im also going to add a little lead at 12 o,clock and reduce the lead at 3/9 o,clock an inch at a time,the PD was awsome last time out but my serve was down on power but accurate,am hoping that inch or so at 12 o,clock will get my serve back to what i no it can do...
     
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    i no "MSV" and i should have just had a full bed of sky blue and been done with it:cry:

    we live and learn but im happy with the Excel for now,and if i had my own stringer i could have changed it willy nilly!!!!!!:wink:
     
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    Yea... highly doubtful imo, after spending so much for a pack of XCel, I doubt you would just "cut it out willy nilly".
     

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