**The PURE DRIVE 2012 Forum (club)**

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by BC1, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. GarryClarke

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    Thanks for that:)

    Have only used Excel @56 so far and all,s good,
    The stock string it came with "addiction" was great but lasted 3hrs of playing time till it went dead.

    I'm getting my own stringer so I'm up for playing around with different setups.

    Cheers Garry
     
  2. henryshli

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    Jack you are a genius. I'll also try lead at 3&9 and see if it'll improve the plow issue I'm experiencing on the 2012 PD.
     
  3. ricki

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    I wouldnt string gut below 60...
     
  4. Power Player

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    It's a gut poly hybrid..different ballgame..you can get away with 56#s and up in the PD.
     
  5. Korso

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    Just got done stringing it up at 56/52. Will a 24 hour wait period be good or should I give it 48 hours?
     
  6. Power Player

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    I just go hit whenever..it has never been an issue. Sometimes I go hit right off the stringer.
     
  7. Korso

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    Sweet! I have never really seen much of an issue hitting off the stringer either. Hopefully I will bring my A game tomorrow in doubles. I doubt I will be able to blame the equipment :)
     
  8. JackB1

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    No need to wait.
     
  9. rlau

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    When you play with it within 24 hrs after stringing, the initial tension loss will be higher than when you don't. It's up to you to decide whether or not this matters to you.
     
  10. ChicagoJack

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    Cool cool, happy to help.

    Nope, not a genius that's for sure. Just a dumb jock/obsessive tinkerer who knows where the all the online calculators are. Don't know what plow issue you have, but I think there is for sure a personal golden zone where you get the weight and balance just right. Too heavy and it's difficult to make the little teeny timing adjustments mid swing, (especially if your BH is the weaker side) you start to feel like the racquet is playing you not the other way around, you lose confidence, control suffers and so forth. Too light and you start to swing maybe a little too fast for your talent level, eye-hand coordination, or fitness level to those hit deep penetrating shots that put your opponent into scramble mode. Hope you find your golden zone, and happy to help you find it if I can.

    Jack
     
  11. LanEvo

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    I am going to try lead on my PD+ and try it out. What do you think of 2g at 3&9 each with 1g at 12? Also I got some lead tape for a deal from my shop I would say, $1 a foot. I got 3 feet, off a reel, felt like it was enough and I'd not want to go over board as the stuff is not edible.
     
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  12. Korso

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    Just got done with a hitting session with Klip legend 16g and cofocus 1.18
    56/52 and I am highly satisfied with this combo. I am going to agree with power player when he says this might be the best hitting experience ever. Lots of controled power. The ball just dives down at the baseline. The touch is really good too. Looking forward to my match play tomorrow.
     
  13. ChicagoJack

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    Korso -

    Ditto that stuff. Props to PP as well... he's always a consistent provider of good info. You have TimothyO, Smasher08, and PVaudio in the string forum to thank too. They were the first here to point the way to the miracle that is Gut mains / MSV Co-focus. Seeing the ball just dive straight down a few feet from the baseline is a sight that can really get your confidence going. You start to not fear hitting long so much, you start to let your technique open up, so spin increases, and so forth, a good chain of events. Not only is it the spinniest set up I've ever tried, it also out plays the nearest spin enhancement rivals (Tour Bite, Barb Wire, BHBR, and 18g Kevlar) in terms of control, touch, power and arm safety. I wish I had tried gut/poly sooner. I have been avoiding gut thinking it was too expensive. It's not. I'm getting 20-30 hours with string savers. The poly will fade (but still remain playable) long before the gut pops. If I was stringing for myself, I'd cut the crosses out and just restring those for the last 15-20 hours. That's not expensive at all. Waay cheaper in the long run than my last GOAT string, TF X-1 Biphase. I'd only get 12- 16 hours of doubles, or 8-10 hours of singles on that stuff. By the way, something that's slightly less spinny, but with a bit more control would be Gut / Weiss Cannon Scorpion.

    Jack
     
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  14. DANMAN

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    I echo what jack said above. I actually posted my setup in the string forum. Mamba premium gut with pacific poly force crosses at 55lbs. I'm getting more spin than ever. What is the consensus opinion on the best gut for the money...tonic, klip, pacific? I'm hoping the mamba stays at its current price point.
     
  15. ChicagoJack

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    Hi Daniel,

    What a coincidence, one of my dubs partners just ordered a sh..t load of mamba gut. It hasn't arrived in time for his Clay court tourny this weekend so I've given him my stash of VS to get him through. If the Mamba plays as well as I like the price, I'll order a truck load too. I've had two sets of Klip Gut snap right at the grommets, could have been two mishits on my part, or bad stringing, but really wasn't crazy about the feel, a little too crisp feeling for my taste. Tonic+ is awesome, and not too pricey, cant go wrong with that. There seems to be a lot of bad pub about the VS touch with bt7. I'm using it now because I was able to get wholesale pricing thru a buddy, and I really like it.

    Jack
     
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  16. DANMAN

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    I've only strung up two half sets of the Mamba, but it's been easy to do as a main string. Things may get a little dicey if weaving it. Tonic was easy for me to string years ago if I recall correctly. I will stick with Mamba at the current price. If it changes at all, I am going to look at getting some good pricing on tonic gut.
     
  17. Power Player

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    I personally am back to pacific classic gut. It is so consistent and easy to string. I just love the stuff. Also you can string it tighter if you need to, and that is also key if you go with a full job.
     
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    It doesn't feel kind of dead ? old pacific guts used to feel like dead string
     
  19. JackB1

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    PP have you tried the Mamba gut yet? J have some I haven't yet tried.
     
  20. Power Player

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    The mamba is a good deal..it's just a pain to string. But I do like it for cheap gut. Just have to really take your time stringing it.
     
  21. LanEvo

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    I added the lead, 6 grams total. 4 grams at 3&9 and 2 grams at 12. The racquet now weighs 339.2 grams total (~11.9X oz). Will take it out for a hit tomorrow and see how it goes.
     
  22. LanEvo

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    How did you get your racquet up to 12.7oz? My current PDR+ is around 12.5oz stock. I would not mind a 12.3oz PD+.
     
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  23. LanEvo

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    Ok, I am reading through many threads, but what does putting lead at 12 o'clock position do? I get the place of 3&9, opening sweetspot for more stability, etc. But what does 12 o'clock do? Because if it does not change things, I will just place all 6 grams of lead at 3&9 and call it the day.
     
  24. GarryClarke

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    ive just got myself some scales and boy the lead ive added in 4inch lengths are way out!!!!
    obviously the lead tape i brought varies so having the scales i can be spot on

    added 5g at 3/9 o,clock in 4 strips,am on court saturday morning so will see how it swings
     
  25. LanEvo

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    I am assuming you got the 1/2 inch, you should have taken scissors and cut it in half and then you would have two 1/4 inch to apply to both side of the frame and it will not stick out.
     
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  26. GarryClarke

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    meant to add it was 1/4 inch but the weight varied so much from one strip to the other.
    without those scales i was a fair few gram,s heavier on one side to the other!!!!.
    i no we are only talking grams but i can already feel the difference in my hand,plus i only added 5g (suggested) between 3/9 o,clock.

    i was going to take it all off but it made such a difference in doubles/volleys that its going to stay from now on.
     
  27. LanEvo

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    For the most part, 2 inches equals 1 gram, at least mine is exact to that, and when I bought it yesterday they said 0.7g to an inch, they were wrong. You need to cut 2-5 inch strips and then cleave those in half. Even if you cleave the strips in half as long as you keep each strip on/to each side, the weight will be added correctly.

    Oh, nvm about above then, but yea for the 1/4 inch, even precut it should be the same. It should be pretty equal. Mine is, I have and had some of both before, both are just as accurate.
     
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  28. mawashi

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    It will add plow through n more spin cus e head has more punch.
     
  29. LanEvo

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    Awesome then. I will try it out today, hopefully it opens up the racquet and adds much stability similar to PDR, but swings as easily as the stock form in terms of weight.
     
  30. Power Player

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    Stability comes from lead at 3 and 9.
     
  31. mawashi

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    Dun add too much though 3 g at 12 can change e sw a lot like 10 pts if e stick is fairly light.
     
  32. LanEvo

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    Yep, I have a 4 to 2 ratio there right now, if not I will just add more at 3/9 positions.
     
  33. dexian

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    I don't know if I should get the standard length version or the extended one...

    My game is all about power and spin. Finesse? Don't know that word.

    I primarily stay at the baseline and try to move my opponent from side to side and eventually outhit him.

    My strong points are my serve and forehand.
     
  34. Nostradamus

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    You guys are constantly trying to improve on this racket. but already it is the best PD ever by Babolat.
     
  35. LanEvo

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    Definitely Plus version IMO, it ups the ante for all baseliners, with improved power and spin on strokes and serves. And with the right skill is a gem at net as well. I am using the PDR+ And PD+, if you can handle the weight I would say get the PDR+ it is much more stable and has more power. And if you do get it and don't like it for any reason, please contact me and I will trade you my PD+ for that PDR+ if it goes that way.
     
  36. LanEvo

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    Try the PDR and please get back to me, the only reason I am improving regular PD is to try and get it closer to this but in a lighter version.'
     
  37. Nostradamus

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    Nice thought, but how can you get the racket lighter by adding weight ?
     
  38. JackB1

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    He means lighter than the PDR.
     
  39. GarryClarke

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    now why the hell didnt i just do that:oops:
    instead i was weighing each strip individualy and what a bloody nightmare that was and ive ruined nearly all my lead tape getting it right.

    where was my mate mawashi when i needed him lol
     
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    i see, something in between. i really think you should concentrate on getting the static weight higher and try to increase the swingweight by only few points. i think that will do the trick
     
  41. Power Player

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    Its such a tough call...you really have to demo both and take your time. there is really no right answer here. I thought for sure I would switch to XL, but I found myself missing standard on serve after a while.
     
  42. LanEvo

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    Ok, my PDR currently weights in at 355g roughly 12.5oz. Stock with over grips and such. My PD on the other hand weights in at 333.2g roughly 11.8oz or so with over grips and such, no matter what weight I add, assuming I and I do not plan on going crazy on it, even after modifications I should get no where near the 12.5oz range if at most 12.3oz on the PD. that is what I mean by a lighter version of PDR. Also all of these are in the Plus version, I don't like tapping back and forth for a plus sign on an iPad.
     
  43. LanEvo

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    Is lead tape expensive over there?
     
  44. LanEvo

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    That what I hopefully did, the thing is with PD stock, if you do not hit center every time, it is not really forgiving, and I am using a very soft multi. With the PDR however, the whole racquet is like a sweet spot, stable and powerful wherever I hit.
     
  45. GarryClarke

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    not to expensive but that depends on what you pay in the US?????

    im just mad as i was snipping bits here and there or cutting length,s and they were to short/light:cry:

    best i order some more now lol

    EDIT-it cost,s about £4.50 delivered for a 1.5mtrs
     
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  46. LanEvo

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    Did you not read the description on the package, no offense? Or even off the TW page, it gives pretty precise measurements of how much is whatever weight for a certain length, after that is is simple math calculations to determine how much of each. Such as the 5 grams you want, 2-5 inch strips is 5 grams, in 1/2 inch wide tape, and doubled if 1/4 inch tape.

    But yea, we all learn from our mistakes. And I did not mean this in a harsh tone, more of sarcasm in my mind saying this. Don't want you to take it the wrong way.

    Lead tape price in the USA is roughly $1 per foot at the local shop and on TW, pretax and preshipping.
     
  47. LanEvo

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    That's more expensive, I get 2m for $5-6. Also I though you guys used the standard system, not the metric system. If I recall only the US and UK or some country use standard system? Every other country uses metrics.
     
  48. mawashi

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    Wat do you think I was doing... Sleeping it's +8 hrs gmt here lol!

    Seriously it's not like lead tape is so poorly made that 4x4 inches of 1/4 tape will weigh 6g

    It's just an experiment so u don't have to measure to e exact micro gram lol.
    ROUGHLY 4 g if too heavy peel n cut 1" off.
    Need more cut 1" n paste...

    Need more weight to e shot add 4" more at e head (2g).

    +- 1 or 2 g isn't going to throw your game off lol
    16 gauge vs 17 probably weighs more then 2-3 g easy lol
     
  49. GarryClarke

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    no offence or harsh tone taken:)

    and no i didnt read it on here and there wasnt any kind of instructions with the lead tape!!!!!
    i thought how hard can it be to cut 4 pieces of lead tape/weigh it and stick it on my racket,how wrong i was lol

    and yes we live and learn,wont be making that mistake again

    sounds like you pay about half the price for your lead than we do in the UK
    and the lead tape i brought was the cheapest i could find on e.b.a.y as in the tennis shops its more like £6-£8,a right ripoff!!!!!
     
  50. GarryClarke

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    PMSL @ YOU

    did you get out the wrong side of the bed this morning lol
    oh and dont use the +8 hr difference as it dont wash with me pmsl
    you no you should be on hand 24/7 for me :)

    yea i no i goofed up big time and by the sounds of it i should have kept it to myself!!!!!!!

    dont start getting all technical as i will fall asleep on you very quickly:)

    new signature coming soon "im a dunce" lol
     

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