**The PURE DRIVE 2012 Forum (club)**

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  1. ArliHawk

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    I've used mine 3 times since I got it on Tuesday. No problems to speak of. Feels very solid to me. I know some will complain about the stiffness, but it feels very stable.
     
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    Tennis Magazine said PD2012 is a great serve and volley racket.
     
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    no issues after 3 sessions, but I wouldn't try it with full poly.
     
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    any issues on control due to bigger head size ? how is it on serves ? does it serve really big like other PD's ?
     
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    don't know about the stiffness but I am certain that it would be nice looking.:)
     
  6. BC1

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    I think control may suffer a little with the larger head size. I only demoed it for about 45 minutes. One set of play. I remember being very impressed, but yes, the extra headsize bothered me a little and I was thinking it may be hindering control a little, especially on serve placement. Serve pace and spin seemed very good. Maybe not as big as the other pds due to a slightly less stiff frame, but big nonetheless. I think there would be an adjustment period getting use to the 107 head size if you're not use to playing oversize. However, when you lay the hoops on top of each other the difference is very small. It became more of a mental thing with me, and I felt the larger hoop would bother me "mentally" more so then it may help my game, but I could have been very wrong. I know the racquet was very forgiving - made it hard to miss. I think you will have to take both the reg and the 107 out for a good demo, side by side, and see which one works for you best. However, if you know you want a 105+ sq in head, then I wouldn't hesitate, I think the pd2012 107 is the best MP-oversize racquet out there. I just decided I would be more comfortable sticking with 100sq in.
     
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    Another factor is the weight difference, at least for me. I bought the 12 PD, but demoed the blue one last year. The 107 just felt a little light. I know it's only 1/2 an ounce or so, but it just feels different.
     
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    I finally got around to finding some other links, here is a sample of some good ones. I added these on my OP and I know there are many more. I would suggest if there are others people like to just include them on future posts. Thanks.


    BABOLAT ALLIANCE CALLING http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=121480&highlight=babolat+alliance
    THE BLACK DRIVE + http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=416266&highlight=babolat
    PURE DRIVE 2012 QUESTIONS http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=420110&highlight=PURE+DRIVE
    TW PD2012 RODDICK REVIEW http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=409412&highlight=pure+drive+roddick
     
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  9. BC1

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    Yes, the 107 is slightly lighter, but the SW doesn't feel much lighter to me, so there isn't that big of a difference but I would agree the 107 is a little lighter.

    Here is a thread on the 107 http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=313765&highlight=pure+drive+review
     
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    Intestine thing is the 107s beam is actually slightly thinner than the 100s. It just appears to be way too light to me and would require lots of lead tape. The lower stiffness rating is tempting though. Also, isnt it extended length?
     
  11. ATL Jack

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    FYI - The links arent working.
     
  12. BC1

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    First - Yes you're right - we all know the racquet doesn't make a bit of difference if you have a good game. Some of the best players I see use some 5-7 year old racquet - usually an older wilson of some kind. and half the time they don't even know what strings they use, "some syn gut I guess" is their response. Quite humbling.

    As far as you go, maybe the 6.1 is for you. It's got the player type control of the prestige you like plus the easy power of the pd. If you can handle the weight it's an amazing racquet. Just see how she behaves after the honeymoon! And against good opponents in a long match. Regardless, good luck with your continuing search. We will hold your seat - just in case. And as one of the "founding members", you can keep your coat.
     
  13. BC1

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    True, and strange, they were a second ago. And they still work on the OP on the first page. I will try to fix.
     
  14. BC1

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    OK... They seem to be working now. Here is what I copied off the first Original Post.

    There are a lot of great threads on the PD and Babolat Racquets on this site. Far too many to list. However, here are a few you may want to check out that will provide you with more information and history on the Babolat PD and others.
    BABOLAT ALLIANCE CALLING http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=121480&highlight=babolat+alliance
    THE BLACK DRIVE + http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=416266&highlight=babolat
    PURE DRIVE 2012 QUESTIONS http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=420110&highlight=PURE+DRIVE
    TW PD2012 RODDICK REVIEW http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=409412&highlight=pure+drive+roddick[/QUOTE]
     
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  15. BC1

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    I had the opportunity to hit over the weekend with a 5.0 lefty (I'm an upper 3.5 - lower 4.0). It was an experience. We just played about 45 minutes, a few games, and a 10 pointer for fun. The topspin these upper level players hit with is absolutely amazing and something you don't see on the 3.5/4.0 level. The pace is already huge and then the ball hits the ground, picks up more speed, and changes direction. Couldn't believe it. I started adapting a little towards the end, but at first it was all I could do to get the racquet on the ball. BTW he uses a stock apdgt and an older apd cortex.

    My point with all of this is that the PD2012 held up great against a VERY HEAVY ball. I have no idea how fast he was serving, but it was the hardest serves and groundstrokes I've played against, and the PD was very stable, and if I was lucky enough to time it right I could make decent returns and get a few points - It was very comfortable and solid with every hit.
     
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    Yes, it is 27.2. I think the extra sq inches makes up for the lightness as it still seems to have good plow through for its lower weight. It has a slightly small beam and is less stiff. However its not for everyone but it's got a place, and could probably work for most players in the 3.0-4.0 level - or for those in their elder years.

    I still think the standard pd2012 has it all, and is probably the most versatile racquet out there for any level or any style of play.
     
  17. Dgdavid

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    I own 2 x 98Ds and a PD 2012. 98D is quite string sensitive. Hated it with a multi but liked it a lot with RPM Blast at 60lbs. PD is more powerful and agile, comes round faster but 98D feels more solid and precise plus has a more predictable response for me. Feels nearer a players stick.

    I hit flatter with 98D, PD marginally better on topspin, much better on serve. Heavy returns, slice and drops/touch better on 98D.

    Both good sticks all round, my comments are relative to each other.
     
  18. YesTennis

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    Thanks Dgdavid- Much appreciated!
     
  19. Dgdavid

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    Hey BC1, didn't I read you were trying the 6.1 Team a while back? What happened?
     
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    You're very welcome
     
  21. BC1

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    We had a very nice but short fling. The racquet to me was a solid "B" in every area. Which actually is very good. It however lacked some mass for me. I never felt like I had that put away power with it. That was due more to my deficiencies then the racquet. I added a little lead and that helped, but in the end I knew I was more effective with something like the Pd, so that's when I made the permanent switch to the pd2012.

    The 6.1 team is very solid for its weight, but like all light weight player racquets you have to supply the proper technique to get the most out of it. It is a fun stick though and gives you good control plus some pop. I just had trouble hitting deep consistent "heavy" balls with it.
     
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    The full weight 6.1 definitely has plenty of mass. Mass is the ingredient I think I have been looking for. Sold PD now I'm afraid but still like reading about it!
     
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    Like I said earlier, as far as I am concerned you have an honorary membership (whether you are using the pd or not)! I like your posts and keeping track of your racquet adventures - so keep us informed!!

    And who knows... You may be back! The pd can do that to people.

    Yes, If I could handle the weight over a long match (or had the patience to build up to it), the 6.1 is a great racquet.

    I wonder if the PDR2012 (roddick) would work for you? It's got the extra mass, more stability, and still has that great pd forgiveness and easy power.
     
  24. Dgdavid

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    The PDR was the first racket I tried after the PMP and I hated it but maybe it was too big a change at that time and I gave up on it after only two sets. After the Warrior, PD and other tweeners, it might now be just the ticket and it certainly looks like I need to re-look at it on paper.

    The specs are not dissimilar to the POG Oversize so trying that first. My plan currently is to have the 2012 6.1 BLX 95 and the POG Oversize in the bag. Both heavier with good swingweight and mass. The 6.1 has been great in singles, less so in doubles but I find doubles a harder game (get bored, mind wanders!!).

    I think the 6.1 is trumping the 18x20 players rackets I have used (PMP and Bio 200) and the POG might be the heavier, more controlled tweener/player crossover. If none of these stick, I am resolved to going back to the Prestige and staying there. Via the PDR and PD+ of course :)
     
  25. BC1

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    ^^^^^Dg, for kicks try the pdr soon. I want to see how you like it.
    Also, is the 6.1 you're using the 16×18 or 18×20 pattern?
     
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    Well, as I need the least possible justification to try a new stick, I shall indeed now try it!

    I use the 16x18 Six.one. I have tried the 18x20 too but if I go that route, definitely going back to PMP. Got 1 week left on the six one demo before I own it by default and it is still a very respectable chance I will stay with it. Had a very good victory AND played well with it the other night.

    The other threads have got me interested in checking out the Donnay Pro One and Dunlop 200g Max also plus the damned V1 Plus has just come into stock. However, none are available in UK except via TWE who don't demo in UK so might give all three a miss and just check out the POG OS and PDR before final decision on 6.1.

    I don't care what anyone says, racket testing is very enjoyable!!
     
  27. BC1

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    ^^^ Dg, it sounds like you and the 6.1 are getting along very well. The sensible thing would be to stick with it for a while. But that wouldn't be near as much fun!! Looking forward to your pdr vs. 6.1 comparison. Very different racquets but similar swingweights. Should be interesting. And yes, I agree, the Dunlop 200g max is very appealing on paper.

    I'm still very happy with the pd2012 and I will not be wandering for a while. Like you, testing racquets is amazing fun, but it is also soooo nice having "one" that you are happy with. I don't want to screw that up!!
     
  28. Power Player

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    I am seriously considering getting a standard PDR. Light + length versus heavier standard seems to make sense right now.

    I used the 6.1 and loved it, but the weight got me in the later sets. The PDR is a half ounce lighter and should be much easier to wield.
     
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    Played the PD+ at a high level for some time. Just migrated over to the PD2012 standard. I'd caution you about thinking that the PDR will be similar to the PD+ when losing the extra half inch. The PD+ is much easier to play with than the heavier and stiffer feeling PDR. I've seen all your positive talk about the PD+ and just don't know if you are going to get any more from a stick than you've described getting from the PD+. I found I hit my backhand better with the standard and like the little bit of added maneuverability around the net.
     
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    Not trying to get off topic, but just wondering if anyone using the 2012 PD has a one hand backhand? Curious as to how you feel it works for a one hand bh, or do you think a more oval (95-98 sq in head) works better for a one hand bh? Thanks in advance
     
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    Well I did hit with the last PDR plus and I was sold in 2 seconds except I was a little late and also at the time was not ready for a stiff racquet.

    I came from the 6.1, so honestly all these sticks seem pretty easy to use..lol.
     
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    I can hit a one hander or two hander from my teaching days. I like the PD for a one hander. Plenty of spin and light enough to get around. I don't find one head shape more conducive to hitting a one hander than another as long as I hit in the center of the strings.
     
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    I have a ohb, and it's not great with the pd. It's my weakest shot regardless of the racquet. But it's been better with others, and yes, for me a more oval 95-98 with a little more weight is ideal for ohb.

    I'm still trying to figure it out with the PD, without too much success.
     
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    dgoran has a heavy 1 hander and has an impressive PD collection!
     
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    Thanks Power Player!!! Good information to know. I just keep reading where people saying that one hand bh players should avoid the 100 sq. in. rounder head shapes.
    I've been using the PD, not having problems, and really enjoying it!!
     
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  37. Power Player

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    Yeah, there are no rules as you can see. :)
     
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    I'm in lol, got Black Drive 2012 + and leaded it to roddick specs. give or take 5grams.

    Strung it with champions choice with vs in mains at 60 and alu rough at 58. I though it was little too much but proved to be a good choice yesterday when I hit with it. It was at times too powerful so at this time I am not sure if I will keep gut in there. Its sweet but little too much at times.

    Hey PP quick question I thought you said your came with Silicone in handle from the factory. Cant find that post with pictures anymore so maybe I misunderstood maybe you added that silicone after but one thing is for sure my does not have any silicone stock from the store?????
     
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    Goran..I posted it in the raquetaholic thread..i think the pic has since been deleted from my ipad or I'd repost.

    Anyway the silicone is just on the walls and not in the hole itself. It is a little tricky to see.

    I'm thinking of getting a standard PDR to match against my black drives. Not sure if I like + or standard better anymore.

    I think I like plus for lighter sticks and standard for a little heavier..if that makes any sense.
     
  40. YesTennis

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    Thanks also Danman and BC1.
     
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    I looked closely and no silicone I even scraped the walls to see if there is anything I am missing. No silicone on mine...
     
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    Okay that is super odd. I need to find that picture so you can see mine.
     
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    If u play dubs at all, the plus is tough for volleying. So easy to get jammed.
     
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    Just got a 2012 PD demo. It's strung at what seems like lowish 50s with Addiction. I'm not familiar with this string, can anyone tell me how that string might color the PD? It didn't feel as pocket-y or as controlled as the one I hit with RPM Team (at similar tension).

    I was hitting better with the Exo Tour 18x20 demo but want to give the PD a good trial and not be too put off by the string.
     
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    Hey Power Player, i was hoping you could elaborate a little more on your desire to try the standard as a heavier racquet. Isn't the standard actually lighter than the plus?
     
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    and for those of you who have hit with both the standard and the plus: is there any noticeable difference in feel between the 2 frames as far as flex and comfort goes?
     
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    Back to the one-handed backhand issue, to elaborate a little more, I have found that with the Pd you just got to relax and go for it. Meaning if I don't swing through with it and get tense then the backhand suffers. But I have hit some very good ohbs with it, so I know its just me and not the racquet. I just need many more hours developing it. I also play with a buddy who also has the pd2012. He uses a ohbh, but hits more of a slice/push shot. A short stroke but it is VERY effective, low over the net and well controlled. Point being, as PP pointed out - there are no rules, and obviously many pros and college level players use it very well.
     
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    Yes, strings are a big factor with this racquet. Once you find the right setup you will know it. It makes a world of difference. Not sure about Addiction, but I have tried syn gut, poly, and hybrids. My favorite is lux alu power at 54. No arm issues whatsoever, and it feels amazingly comfortable. As I'm sure you've read, PP and many others swear by Rip control.
     
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