Discussion in 'Racquets' started by BC1, Apr 13, 2012.
I just need more weight on my 1HBH (or maybe it is more Swingweight I need) otherise my backhands under pressure tend to float a bit especially down the line shots. PDR might be it but so far, the 6.1 95 is going well except it can be a tad unforgiving if I am not on top of my game. If the PDR is a bit like the 6.1 but more forgiving, I will give it a go.
I've got a standard PD 2012 and was wondering where would be the ideal place for some lead tape, and how much of it?
No I want to try the roddick standard. I always have. It was in the plans after I knew I had my + set up properly to be a light stick. I have always gone between light/heavier and plus/standard so this way I have both and can see what works.
I like + length so far right at 325 grams with lead added at 12.
Yesterday hit with the warrior and it is a good frame.
Tonight on your advice i'll try the PD again with a full set of a soft string. Probably syn-gut to find out if it's still hurting my arm.
i'll let you know.....
Hey how did like the Rebel 98? How do you compare the PD and the Warrior?
I found the Warrior more comfortable and SLIGHTLY more powerful than the PD. The Rebel 98 is also a very nice frame that feels great when you hit it just right. Only problem is the sweetspot is smaller than the Warrior or PD. I found the Warrior to have the largest sweetspot of these 3 and also is the most forgiving on off center hits.
Yes, I have been using pd for 2 years now. It is stiff, no denying that. Don't know whether I've just been fortunate, or maybe I've been lucky with my swing style. I think that has a lot to do with TE. I know sometimes I will swing "differently" then my norm, and I can feel some pain with ANY racquet. I'm also probably jinxing myself with this talk of no arm problems with poly, etc. I better just count my blessings. But I really do feel that the PD2012 plays and feels a lot softer then 72stiffness rating suggests - cortex, woofer, who knows? But something seems to work.
Yes, I agree with you that the Warrior is more powerful then the pd. The PD2012 is definietly not just a power frame anymore. And I agree the warrior is also more comfortable due to the flex. REMIND ME AGAIN WHY WE SWITCHED? Just kidding... at least for me. But as we've all stated, both frames are very similar in playability.
BC1 I forget what tension you are at with your Lux. If you ever get paranoid about pain, start dropping your tension down to around 50#s. That will help if you have not done this already.
I had full lux at 50#s in a 6.1 and it was unreal until it died 4 hours later.
The standard PD has a ton of power, but the heavy blistering ball really comes with the Roddick version. The last version really almost sold me instantly, I just think the standard may be a little easier to get around constantly in a match.
I have always gone between around 11.4 oz sticks and 12.1. That seems to be my range. The 6.1 was 12.5 and I loved it until the 3rd set when things got a little tiring in the florida sun.
PP. I agree. I had the same experience with the 6.1, and to some extent with the Roddick. I was able to get through a three setter, but the heavier roddick started taking it's toll at the end. To me the perfect weight is 11.4-11.5 (and that's with overgrip, dampner, etc.). The standard is working fine for me weight wise and manuevarability. I tend to crowd the ball too much so I know I'm better off with standard length.
As you know, the heavy "blistering" ball will only come IF you are able to swing it at the same pace. I would start out that way, but then find myself being less aggressive with my stroke. The weight of the racquet would still get it back with pace, but without much authority or control. The standard weight allows me to swing with much higher racquet head speed which improves my control and spin.
I string the lux at 54-56 lbs normally (which after a day would drop to around 52 easily) so I usually play with it in the low 50s. However, I do not restring as often as I should and usually play with it for a month (at least 9 hours a week). I know, big mistake!! But I don't have a stinger and it costs almost $40 bucks to get a new lux string job locally (strings included). It's robbery!! I have got to try to RIP. Are you still happy with it?
wow man..lol. Why do you play with Lux if you can't change strings weekly? After 1 week it is dead as hell. You are seriously messing up with that one dude..at some point you are going to feel some serious pain. It's just not worth it. That being said, fresh lux is the best thing ever..but dead lux? It just will suck if something happens, because you will need to take 2 months off of tennis to recover.
I do like RIP 16 gauge a lot. It is a perfect string to put in at least 1 of your sticks because then you have a backup that plays similar to poly, and will be fine on your arm until it breaks.
Also if you love poly this much, maybe try a less expensive string that lasts a little longer? In your situation you should at least hybrid, bare minimum. You could try the tour Bite/Nvy hybrid. tour bite plays very close to lux, but lasts longer. You will save some cash and your arm.
^^^ I know... I've been well warned. I just stick with it because I simply like it. No other reason then I get better results from it then I do with any other string. And I've tried many.
Does the RIP move? That's one thing I hate about non-polys - excessive string movement. And I dislike the trampoline feel that you sometimes get with multis.
yes it does move a little. There is no perfect string, which bums me out because I would love to play with an inexpensive full poly bed that lasts 1 month and is easy on the arm. That would be the best.
Have you tried tour Bite..have you tried a good hybrid? You seriously should try that option again. Babolat Nvy and Tourbite mains will deliver for you.
There is just no way you can like Lux after 8 hours better than this setup.
Nothing will make the ball drop as sharp as Lux. There is nothing out there, tour bite is closest. I also like cyberflash in terms of raw spin as well. But nothing really compares. You almost have to make peace with that before you can really move on and truly find a good string.
Yes, I've tried tourbite full bed. But not in the pd. I had it in an Instinct. And yes I liked it, but I still prefferred the alu power. I also liked savage which is a little softer, but I get better bite and control with Alu power. I have never found a hybrid I like. Maybe it's mental, but I seem to prefer either all syn, or all poly. Actually, my favorite non-poly string in the pd was simply just basic Gamma Syngut. I might give that another try. I also have a pd with FXP Tour, and it's nice, but the balls fly on me more. I seem to get so much better control with the alu power. With so many options out there, I'm sure there is a multi or syn. that I would be happy with. I just haven't found it and it's too expensive to keep on switching strings every week. Solution: I need to buy a stringer!!
I may give the hybrid you suggested a try. However, I assume the poly will still go dead in a hybrid, so does that mean you should still restring as frequently? I realize the concept of the non poly softening up the string bed for comfort. But I also feel if you have a poly and a non poly you don't get the benefit of a poly at all (strings snapping back, spin, etc.).
yeah..the stringer REALLY helps if you are serious about tennis. Even a klippermate will do.
RIP is very very good for control. Remember some of this stuff is not as major as you think. Unless you are just crushing the ball at a 5.0+ level, you are not going to have much more bite on the ball to justify the cost. I Know what you mean about ALU power though. I have a minireel. It was a sad day when I hit with in a 6.1 and realized how amazing it is. That being said, my next bed of full tour bite was godlike and won me a match easily.
Regardless, if you want to stick with Lux and really reap the benefits..get a stringer. It will save you so much money. String 1 stick with RIP at 60#s and the other with Lux..change the lux every week and let the RIP stick sit as your backup.
I think that FXP Tour plays a lot like poly but with a lot more softness. Didn't you like it BC? That would be a much better choice if you aren't going to restring often. I was amazed at the control I got with full FXP Tour at 58 lbs. In fact, I thought it wasn't powerful enough, but it may be perfect for you.. I also found FXP Tour to not have any trampoline feel at all. Maybe you should try it at slightly higher tension than what you now have?
Yes I liked the FXP Tour. To me though it still doesn't have the control of the alu power, or even the power. I know any poly is supposed to have less power then any multi/syn, but I disagree. The alu power seems to have it all and it feels comfortable to me. Call me crazy I know. Maybe I'm just so use to it and have been using it so long that anything else just doesn't feel or play right. But PowerPlayer now has me officially scared to continue with it. Thanks alot PP! I will pull out the FXP tour pd and give it another try.
Jack, did you ever try the beast/attack hybrid in the pd? I know you loved it in the warrior. I tried it once and didn't think I liked it, but probably gave up on it too soon.
No because the PD is too stiff for me to use poly in the mains. If I did I would do Attack/Beast.
I think I going to try full Xcel at 58 next. So you also found the FXP Tour low powered? If I were to try it again, I would go down to 55,56- lbs.
^^^^ I liked excel in the pd. It is very comfortable. However, if tension falls to low it gets too springy.
FXP at 54 should be about right. Yes it seemed to be a very low powered multi. Evidently it is a co-poly core wrapped with syn fibers, so that would explain it. I also agree that the fxp tour does not have that trampoline affect.
Yes the power is very controllable with the PD which is great....but is is so muted feeling, it makes the racquet feel like its shot up with novacaine.
Use crisper string in it.
From the String Forum
Since we are on this topic - I just looked and found this
"Soft Multi for a pure drive 2012" thread
Based on everything you've said, and others. I'm thinking RIP Control 17, at 58lbs.
Would you agree? How is the 17 vs 16? I'm not a string breaker. Do you get more power out of the 17?
use 16..always use 16 syn guts and multis in a power racquet..the control gains are worth it. 58 will be sweet. I am at 60 and can do with 58 as well.
Thanks, gonna try it. Will have to order from TW. There are only two stinging options locally and none of them carry RIP. I need to come up with some other strings as well to meet my $75 free shipping minimum - so much to choose from!
Red Alert from Wilson could be good. I am going to try that. Also Head Intellitour as well.
yes that's my thread! Lol
try NXT Control. Soft but not muted like FXP and not as powerful as regular NXT.
17 is more powerful than 16 and also slightly softer feeling.
Also slightly spinnier . You can negate the extra power by going
up a couple lbs.
I'm confused??? the OP is "KL Belgium". Is that you as well?
The Rebel had a smaller sweetspot indeed. My skills are not yet there to play consistently good with it.
The warrior is very easy to hit with. Mostly the racket felt very fast, but there was not a WOW factor like i had with the PD. Also it feals a bit less solid as the PD.
Therefor i'm testing the PD tonight with a full synth gut at 26,5 kg. I'll keep you informed. If it hurts my arm, it's most likely going to be the warrior.
Jack got confused because he started a very similar thread:
Wait!! Are you JackB1 and the guy from Belgium as well????
Hey JackB1- I'm going racquet crazy. Been trying/demoing a lot of frames like yourself. Enjoying the PD, but also afraid of developing elbow issues going forward(none yet). I know that you really liked the Head Instinct in the past. Just curious how you liked this compared to the PD
For BC1- quick question for you also. I saw where you're selling a Wilson BLX 6.1 Team- just wondering you thoughts on this racquet also in comparison to the PD. More specifically, how did you ohbh do with the Team
no my mistake. I did just start a very similar thread though.
I agree the Warrior doesn't have the "wow" factor or is as "sexy" a choice as the Pure Drive. The PD does feel more "solid" on sweetspot hits, but the Warrior feels more solid when you miss the center. The PD, to me, doesn't have as large a sweetspot as everyone says it does.
The playtesters seemed to really like the Rebel 98, but the comments from those on the forum make it seem like it's quite difficult to play with ( small sweetspot, uncomfortable off center hits, lack of power)
Yes, selling 6.1 team (already sold one, but have another). The 6.1 team is great but a little light for me and maybe a little too much of a players racquet. Totally different then the pd in all areas. It's fairly easy to play with and has good power if hit right, but not as forgiving as the pd. Great for someone with skills seeking a lighter players frame.
I also used the IG Instinct MP. It is a slightly softer, and slightly lighter PD in my opinion. Great all around racquet, and I found it to have comfort, control and just enough power. It just doesn't wow me like the PD. But a very good racquet in all areas IMO. With a little lead it could be perfect, but never tried customizing it.
Thanks BC1- appreciate your thoughts and feedback!!
The warrior probably has the largest sweetspot of any 100sq in tweener I've hit with. It is almost too large if that is possible. Probably due to the pince ports. I think that is what really seperates it from the pd, as well as the flex. You either prefer the ports or not. Also the Prince is a rounder head shape. Almost too round for me, but some might prefer that as well.
I have a PDR waiting for me today.
Big question is if I should use red alert or Tour bite/Nvy.
its definitely not lacking power, but its not as powerful as the PD.
Its not difficult to use. The biggest issue I had was the smallish sweetspot.
I almost felt like i was using a 93" racquet because the hoop is so oval and narrow.
actually if you hold the PD on top of the Warrior, the hoop sizes are almost identical.
I agree about the Warriors sweetspot. That may be why it has a less "distinct" feel about it. The smaller the sweetspot, the nicer and more district it feels when you nail it, but also the worse it feels when you miss.
You guys never commented on the blissful feel of the PD 2012 sweetspot. This surprises me. It is absolutely awesome.
its OK. Blissful??? Not quite
The Rebel 98 has a much nicer feeling sweetspot IMO
How do all the Black Drive+, Pure Drive, Pure Drive Roddick, compare to each other. Are they all pretty much the same racquet but 27 vs 27.5?
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