**The PURE DRIVE 2012 Forum (club)**

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  1. JackB1

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    The Air Sphere is very thick and will increase your grip size by almost 1 whole girl size. You won't lose the bevels entirely, but the thick grip will make them less defined.
     
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    Thanks, think I'll have to go to my place and try it. But that was the 3rd time I played with my 1/4 and first time I experienced wrist pain. Maybe I was too wristy with my shot the other night.
     
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    I haven't even had time to give the pdr enough thought let alone the +. I spent 2 months with the pd +and believe I have it set up perfectly. The pdr will take me some time to get to know. But I wanted to go back to standard length and see what I play better with.

    The pdr is nasty man..damn.
     
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    So, A friend of mine had a hit with my 2012+ and really, really liked my set up. He's been playing Babolat PD's for 15 years, in all the various generations with numerous strings. I offered to customize one of his 2009 PD+ that is his regular hit. I think I may have stumbled into a key modification in the 2012, that hasn't been mentioned much around here. Anybody notice anything interesting in the screen grab below?

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  5. Power Player

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    Yeah the swing weight is lowered. We definitely have noticed that. Also the beam is thicker. That is why I added 4 grams at 12 to get the swing weight around 330. The stick still weighs around 11.5 and swings about the same speed as the PDR2012 with lead at 3 and 9.

    Or is there something else you did to it?
     
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    Agree. Tried PD Roddick this week. It's nasty.
     
  7. JackB1

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    When did this thread become the PDR thread? :)

    Anyways, I cut out the FXP Tour after a few days (hated it) and restrung with NXT Control at 55 lbs. Hope to test it soon. I do like the other racquet with a hybrid of Xcel / Evolution at 58/55, but next time I will go a little lower intention....power in there but I need to work a little too hard to get it.
     
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    Pdr is pure drive..it is the daddy of them depnding on what you like. I think a lot of you would like it a lot. Anyway, today I went and threw pacific classic in the mains and msv twist in the crosses. Tension was 56.

    This, as expected is an amazing setup. Extremely soft on the arm with massive spin. The spin is so good that the power is very controllable. I could hit down the line through a small window if needed. I also tested a few forehands out where I just swung out of my shoes as hard as I could and the ball still dropped in at the last second.

    The setup gives me a lot of consistency since it is so powerful, you do not have to swing very hard. But if you decide to do that, you will be rewarded with a lot of spin and a super heavy ball. Let's see how long it lasts, but this is an incredible setup, as it was in the 6.1 as well.
     
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    Dear pure drive,
    I am very sorry, but I need to make a confession. I cheated on you today with my Rebel 98. I have been faithful for about a month, but for no justifiable reason I strayed today. I'm afraid to say it, but the fling was VERY nice. Don't get me wrong, I have no intentions of permanently leaving you, but the Rebel was quick to remind me of why I once loved her so much.
    Feeling a little guilty and infatuated. Sincerely, BC1
     
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    How does the PDR 2012 compare to the first gen. PDRC? I skipped the GT generation because I tried it out, but just did not like it as much as the first generation. Hopefully this one is better?
     
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    Jack- look forward to your review of the PD strung with NXT control. I also didn't like the FXP Tour at all. I'm currently using VSmain/RPMcross and it is very nice. I don't string myself, so it can get pricey. I'm not a big string breaker so not an issue to date. I'm a little afraid of keeping the poly in too long, as I don't want to get arm problems. I'd like to find a good multi full bed that works great with this frame. PP used full bed Rip Control, and really liked it. I've never tried that string before, but maybe should give it a try.
     
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    RIP control is a great string. It is my go to setup still. I am loving the gut /poly, so if it lasts, that will be in one stick and RIP in the backup.
     
  13. ATL Jack

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    Its interesting you say that, I had the opposite experience. I am much more confident on touch shots with the PD. With the Warrior I had very little control on touch shots and my slice backhand.

    Anyway, I enjoyed hitting with you last week, give me a shout anytime you want to hit again.

    Oh, and PP - Regarding an earlier comment you made, JackB1's tempered opinion of the PD sweet spot has nothing to with how hard he hits the ball. He hits plenty hard.
     
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    lol. I still have my Rebel 98 as well and there is something special about it. PP talks about the Pure Drives sweetspot, but to me, the Rebel 98 has a much nicer feeling sweetspot. When you nail one right in the middle, the racquet lets you know that you did and there is no mistake. You know you nailed it and it feels great. If I could make any adjustments to the Rebel, I would make the book slightly rounder and more forgiving. Then you would have a real challenger to the Warrior for best tweener. Not sure what advantage the narrow, oval head shape gives you? Maybe more accuracy when you hit it right?
     
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    I used NXTC before in the Becker London, which is also a very powerful frame and it worked nicely to temper the power in that frame. I don't like Rip Control too much (feels harsh and poly-like to me) and like you, I want to find a soft multi that I can use in a full bed, so I don't have to worry about the PDs stiffness. I rather like my first setup of Xcel/Evolution, but next time will, lower tension a little to 56/52. I may also try a combo of multi/syngut.. That will be less powered than full multi, but more than multi/poly, so I would probably try 57/55 in that one.
     
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    Well that could be the case, or it may be the strings and tension. With RIP control at a high tension the sweet spot is smaller and focused in and when you really let one go, it is pretty incredible. The last Rebel had a giant sweetspot that felt soft all over to me, so unless the new one has changed, I don't prefer that type of feel, but I do appreciate it. Babolats have large sweetspots, but the dead center on the new PD is freaking sick for me. It also may be due to the higher SW of the plus and roddick as it really puts a hurting on the ball that the stock standard PD just does not do.

    Jack you started a club on gut poly..why are you not using it in the PD? It is perfect for it. I was pretty blown away by it. I think gut/poly and stiff racquets is a match made in heaven because I loved it in the wilson 6.1 as well.
     
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    I always hit better touch and feel shots with softer feel racquets. They absorb more of the ball and the ball seems to sit in the strings longer, making drop and touch shots easier for me....but everyone's different. What works best for me won't be the same with you and vice versa.

    Yes I would like to hit again and hopefully play a full match next time. I am curious how we would match up over a couple sets. I have a feeling I will need to bring my A game to beat you :)
     
  18. JackB1

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    because I ran out of gut :)

    but you are correct...I should try it in the PD. I do have 2 half sets of Head gut so maybe next restrung I will try gut/poly. What gut do you use and how to you keep the costs down?
     
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    I have a few gut sources, but Pacific classic is currently in there and seems rather great so far.

    As for cost..I need to see how long I can get it to last. I got 2 weeks with the 6.1 using string savers. If it does not give me that long I will probably not be able to use it as my main setup, but it is easily the best way to go in a racquet like this. In fact you combine this setup with a stiff racquet like the pure drive, and it honestly is unfair. when you have this much power combined with even more spin, you can dictate play so much easier. Add the extra weight of the PDR, and it becomes a holy experience.
     
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    Blimey, on that basis I might have to tell my Pure Drive I'm a racket porn star. Oh, and the postal holiday I just sent it on is a one way ticket...
     
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    Beam width configuration is diff as well. I have PDR+ in GT as well as the 2012 version. For some reason the 2012 version feels more chunky in the hand. A lot of racquet to swing!
     
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    Lol. I pretty much have reached **** status as well. I thought I was going to be monogamous with the Pd, but its just too much fun to play around. I was just kidding mysellf.
     
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    Had another session tonite with the PD and Warrior and I keep doing better with the Warrior....better serves...better touch shots...better slice...it just clicks with me for some reason. I really WANT to like the PD better, but it ain't happening. The PD just feels more clunky and head heavy to me....something about the way its balanced doesn't feel as "right" to me as the Warrior.

    I tried the NXT Control tonite in the PD and it was pretty nice. Soft without too much springy power. Definitely liked it better than the FXP Tour. I did a full bed at 55 and it wasn't too powerful. Not nearly as muted feeling as the FXP and another nice thing was very little string movement.
     
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    Speaking of trying other racquets....BC, you seemed to really like the Juice 100 a while back, but you ultimately picked the PD over it. Could you compare the 2 and do you think I should give the Juice a shot? If I didn't click with the PD as compared to the Warrior, would trying the Juice be a waste of time?
     
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    Hey I'm starting to get my drop shot back guys. You were all right, it just takes time to adjust, and for me it was a long time! :)
     
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    I'm really sold on this pdr right now with gut poly. I can't believe how light the stick swings for its weight. Maybe it is coming from the using plus, but I extended the lead at 3 and 9 from 4 inches to 6 inches and the racquet hits even more level.

    I played a bunch of practice sets and this is honestly such a great setup. Massive power and spin.one of my favorite shos of the night was running down a drop shot in the ad court, getting to it before the second bounce and hitting a nice forehand that ripped right by my partner and sharply dropped safely in.

    Put gut poly in your pure drives and thank me later.
     
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    I got my Pure Drive today and took it out for a test drive tonight!

    I can see why this racquet is so popular. It swings really nice and produces really heavy consistent shots. I am amazed how stable this racquet is at this swingweight. I felt no need to add any weight. I was able to return my partner's high bouncing topspin shots with minimal effort.

    The swingweight is just about perfect for the WW forehand. I didn't have to fight the lag as much as I do with my heavier Prince sticks. And I was popping my two-handed backhand and they didn't sail as much as I usually do.

    Slice was a revelation, nice low and penetrating. I really did not expect that. It was so good I started hitting only one handed top and slice shots for awhile.

    Another surprise was feel. It was a solid "thwack", instead of hollow feeling I got when I tried PDR several years ago. There wasn't much difference in feel between PR and my old EXO Graphite, perhaps just a touch more high end vibration.

    Serves were solid with a bit more authority to them. Had a bit of problem with my second serve, but I think I just need a little more time.

    This is one very versatile stick.

    P.S. The Hurricane Feel 17 that came with the racquet was just okay. Spin was good, and it is a bit softer than other polys. Felt much like Lux Adrenalines. But it is not crisp like RPM or Alu. I will stick with my gut/RPM hybrid once I wear this out.
     
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    My first thought is to say no, don't bother due to the stiffness. However, it really is different then the Pd. To me the juice feels stiffer because the pd is more muted in some way. The juice has a different feel all the way around. I actually played some of my best tennis with the juice. I just didn't want to like it. I totally understand whatyou are saying about the Pd. "You want to like it". I feel like I'm jumping on the jackb1 and dgdavid bandwagon by saying this, but I'm having second thoughts as well, and like you, I think I convinced myself into going with the Pd. Not that it isn't a very good racquet, but if I was just going by results alone, I too could have easily stayed with the warrior or the juice or even the rebel98. I swear I'm not just stealing your posts, but the Pd is feeling so clunky and cumbersome to me now after playing with the rebel. Ive gone through this viscous cycle with the Pd many times over the past two years. I feel this way. Get rid of it. Then miss it and get another. Love it for two months. Hate everything about it. Get rid of it again. And then start thinking I cant be without it. The Pd is a drug you don't want to be on. You know its not good for you, but you cant stop!! It puts a spell on you! Idont known if its all the Babolat marketing, the great paintjobs, or some top secret chemical the French are putting into these frames, but I'm convinced, somehow they hook you and its hard to escape. Dgdavid did it. But he may be back. Wouldn't surprise me. Ive always told myself, no matter what racquet quest I go on and regardless of the direction it took me, I will always keep a Pd in my bag. With all of that said. I still believe the Pd is a great frame, but once the honeymokn wears off you begin to notice some big faults like how big it is around the edges and how if you're not careful it will actually get in your way and prevents you from playing the game you want to play. Its got a mind of its own and it is NOT a magic racquet. Ok...soItook some literary liberties there and exaggerated a little to make a point. But, there is some good truth in there somewhere.

    ,,Point being, the pd2012 is a good racquet. It doesn't make excuses and does exactly what it is supposed to do. However to get the most out of it you have to show it who's boss. You have got to play it with power. Take control of the racquet and the point and play aggressively. Go for the shots 110 percent of the time. If you play like this the Pd will serve you well. If you don't I think you will end up in a love/bate relationship.

    So jack, somewhere in this tirade I attempted to answer your questions. Yes I liked the juice a lot, but the stiffness was a concern for me. But you need to try it. The paintjobs grows on you. Hold on to your warrior. That maybe the best all purpose all around great tweener racquet made that has all of the perfect specs. And maybe revisit the rebel 98. There is something magical about that one and it stands out in a class of its own, which I like. Last but not least, don't be too hasty in letting the Pd go. Even when I thought I hated it, I would reluctantly pull it out of the bag then tell it to impress me and I would be blown away by its greatness. It is always amazing how great a racquet becomes when you believe in it. Granted this doesn't always happen. Sometimes it acts like a stiff oversize log. But it has impressddxme enough to realize the potential is their as long as you know how to get it out.
     
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    Bc1 you find the regular pure drive to be clunky? Damn I am finding the pdr to be very fast. Now I feel like some kind of beast..lol.

    You really don't have to hit 110% with these sticks. That is the beauty. If you find that happening, you need to make a string change or something. You should be able to hit nice and deep with a controlled swing. If not, your tension is too high or you may want to consider a different setup.

    Also consider that maybe the racquet is too light..that may sound wierd, but the pure drives really like lead.
     
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    Hit with my brand new 2012s (have been hitting with a demo until mine came in) string with Babolat Pro Hurricane 17 at 55lbs. These things feel like a pillow when you hit the sweet spot. I've been using the PD+ since 2002 and have tried every generation since the swirly team version. I just switched to the standard length to lost that added pop the plus gives and feel like this is by far the best feeling stick I've ever hit with. I think it has a sweet spot that rivals prestiges and other small players frames with much more spin and power. The 2012 is a vast improvement on what was already the most versatile frame on the market.
     
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    Heck yes. The sweet spot is money!
     
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    Hi, Are you switching from the Exo Graphite then? I ask because I have been playing with POG OS the last few days and it is very nice. Very similar specs to the PDR in weight, SW is a bit higher but close as is HL balance. POG is 19mm, PDR 26mm.
     
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    Yes, at times I find it clunky. It's a pscycological thing I'm sure. But to me it sometimes feels cumbersome and too thick beamed. You don't really notice it until you play with it back to back with a thinner beamed flexier racquet. Its not a physical thing. I know the racquet doesn't "get in te way ", but mentally it seems like you're sometimes trying to manipulate a racquet that is too large. It doesn't have that scalpel feel. Take this with a grain of salt. I only feel this way some of the time, other times it's great.
     
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    I know exactly what you mean on beam thickness and i also think it might be a mental thing not a real issue. 19mm on POG OS but otherwise very similar spec to PDR (POG is marginally heavier with a touch more SW but both 5pts HL) but play differently.

    Are you considering a PDR BC1? I am thinking it will be quite different to the Standard because I need a bit of weight and SW for my 1HBH at the moment.
     
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    Just a quick question to the recent PDR users, the only demo I can get is with Addiction strings at mid-tension. Is it likely to give me a representative test of the PDR given I cannot change the strings? I normally use RPM Blast in my rackets at 2-3 lbs under mid (familiarity more than anything else).
     
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    PP...no offense, but sometimes it seems like you don't realize what works for you may not work best for everyone else. The PD is a good racquet that will work great for certain people....you happen to be one of those people. It seems like BC really wanted to be like you and share all your euphoria over your Pure Drive but for whatever reason, it's just OK for him and he doesn't want to settle. I also am just OK with the PD and play better with other racquets.. It seems like BC was under your spell with all your praise you've been heaping on the PD and wants to be like you, but he just realized he's not you. Let him find his way and maybe....just maybe...the PD isn't for him.
     
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    I also feel like the PD can feel clunky and club-like and the very thick beam may be the reason. Whether its mental or physical really doesn't matter. If a racquet has you second thinking all the time, you won't have confidence and you won't play your best. When I play with the Warrior, I just play with no thoughts about the racquet....that's the beauty of it.
     
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    I'm Spartacus.
    No I'm Spartacus.
    Noooo...
    I AM Spartacus.
     
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    Jack of all people to say this..lol. you have started like 15 clubs on racquets.

    I don't care if everyone hates this stick but me. It does not matter really. I am just pretty surprised to hear it described as clunky. I think you take your racquet selection so personal that you assume everyone else does. I just like to discuss the racquet..pros and cons, so i someone does not like the stick I like to see more detail on what they mean.

    And what do you mean by under my spell? This is a great racquet that BC has been playing for 2 years now. It has nothing to do with me. I doubt he said "wow this anonymous guy on TT loves the pure drive, so I must love it too!". He actually was using the Pure drive for a longer duration than myself. I really a,m not sure why you turn threads into personal racquet battles, when I prefer racquet discussions. Just because I called you out for saying it doesnt have feel, does not mean it was personal. It was just a silly thing to say because it shows you dont spend enough time with these racquets. The beauty of the pure drive is you spend the time to master the feel and then you have all this power on tap as well. That is the whole point of even using the thing. If you didnt like it enough to do that, no problem. But it's not the racquets fault.

    BC, I understand what you mean now. It is the beam, and that used to drive me insane. I am an old school thin beam guy. It took me a long time to get into thick beams. I am not sure when that perspective changed for me, but now I like them far more now and rarely hit the frame every anymore.

    You guys feel free to use any stick you want..honestly. I truly do not take it as a personal affront. If we all used the same thing it would be boring. I have been in BC1s shoes before in terms of wanting a player's stick after using the APD for a long time, and like he was saying, I always seem to come back to these Babs as well.
     
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    Count me as part of the crew feeling more comfortable with the thin beam but getting great results with the PD. A lot of racquet comparisons in this thread. A few post earlier some talk about enjoyment with the Rebel 98. Just wondering if anyone has a comparison of the Rebel 98 to the Yonex VCore 98D? Thanks
     
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    There is a new Yonex 97 coming out that you may want to add to your list. It actually sounds like their best offering if you like thin beams.
     
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    I have EXO Graphite and NXG OS. I actually use NXG OS when I play USTA matches. It is my security blanket.

    However, I can hit through the hitting zone much cleaner with Pure Drive due to its lighter swingweight and I am seen much less UE's then I do with NXG OS, without too much sacrifice in stablity and plowthrough.
     
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    Yeah it sounds like a winner for anyone wanting to try a YY.
     
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    PP....I know you don't care what racquet's others use and I don't think you do it intentionally, but your posts sometimes come off as the "gospel" and everyone who doesn't agree must be doing something wrong. I think you're a great guy and I think maybe you're only fault is that you are too damn persuasive :) I bet if you asked BC1, he would tell you that you were a major influence on him dropping all his other choices for the PD12. You could just see it in your exchanges.

    I apologize if I insulted you in any way. I didn't mean to. I just think people in general put too much stock in others opinions sometimes. Someone proclaims they have found their "holy grail" and everyone else expects to get the same results, but it doesn't work that way. I know you know this....I'm just saying it to the others. Again, sorry if I was out of line.. I am probably just pissed off that I didn't get the same results with the PD12 as you did :)
     
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    haha..that is ok man. We probably do not play the same way either..who knows. I would be a great racquet salesman, I have probably made TW a small chunk of change..lol.

    I will say that the gut poly combo took this stick to another level. I also was using RIP and still will as my backup. these are 2 setups you did not get to try, and I am not sure how they would translate to the Warrior. It doesnt matter though because if you are reaching in your bag and wanting the warrior, that is the racquet you should use.

    But I think I can safely say now that if you have a Pure Drive and are not putting gut in at least half of it, you are seriously missing out. I could say that for a lot of racquets to be honest, but it really has blown me away in the babolat.
     
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    I have a full bed of natural gut in my Pure Drives and the feel, power, and comfort are amazing. Well worth the extra expense, IMO.
     
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    How long is the full gut lasting you?

    The controllable spin and power combo I get from the gut poly is one of those "a-ha" moments where I realize why gut is the greatest string of all time.
     
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    That would be worth a shot if I wasn't happy with the strings in my PD. Its not the strings at all...its the racquet itself I don't feel comfortable with. Its a combination of the weight, balance, swingweight and beam width. I can't put my finger on it, but I just don't feel "right" with it. It doesn't give me that "extension of my arm" feeling that I had with the Warrior and before that, the Becker DC Pro.
     
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    I'm not much of a string breaker, but I get about 3-4 weeks using Wilson Natural Gut 17 at 58 constant pull (or 64 lockout), playing 3-4X/week with hard hitting former college players. Strings start to fray at about the 2 week mark for me. String snaps in the sweetspot - usually one of the center mains.
     

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