****the Pure Storm LTD Support Group****

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by blackdot_fit, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    How about the cheaper gut? Like the $30 packs on TW? Would those be ok? I am not a stringer breaker by any means, hit a flat game. Like Klip Legend?

    Kind of sucks too, I spent my last set of NRG2 on my PDR right before I got this pair...

    I still have a couple sets of NXT and Donnay Multi. though, think those would work?
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2013
  2. AYone

    AYone Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Messages:
    171
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    Does anyone string their PS Ltds at 50 or lower tension? If so, what strings and what's your observations in the playage with that setup? Sorry if already stated here, too much backreading.

    I've tried with RPM 16 at 58 and it played well for a few sets then went dead and everything sailed. I've also tried with NRG 18 at 58-59, which played pretty well. I'm eager to go pretty low with a thin multi and try to increase dwell time, but worried about control and sailing factor. Please let me know your views. Thank you.
     
  3. Fuji

    Fuji Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2010
    Messages:
    6,597
    You're stringing waaaaaay too tight, especially with something like RPM. I've screwed around with a lot of set ups in the PSL over the past few years, and usually with poly I'm stringing high 40's. It still provides the crispness that I want from a poly, but doesn't feel totally dead outside the sweet spot.

    With a nice multi like NRG, I can totally see that you like higher tensions however. I'd definitely drop down to around 52-54 and see if you like that though. It would for sure increase the dwell time. The issue with using thin gauge string however, is the sailing issue I find prevalent with 18g string. Hence why I try to stick to 17g in a 18x20's.

    -Fuji
     
  4. KenC

    KenC Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    1,437
    Location:
    Knowhere
    The best thing for you as a non string breaker is to eventually put in a good quality gut and play with them until they break. You can try the cheaper guts but they might not be the same quality as VS and thus last less. You might just get the biggest bang for your buck with VS as it is very durable.

    Why not put the NXT or Donnay strings in? Maybe go for about 52-53 lbs and see how they play. Over time when they start to behave strangely cut them out.


    I used a full multi at 50/48 with the PSLGT. Great control, more power, very arm friendly.
     
  5. IA-SteveB

    IA-SteveB Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    1,088
    Location:
    Iowa
    I have been using this racquet for a few weeks now after playing with a 2012 Pure Drive. I felt the PD was a nice racquet, but with my unrefined strokes it was really limiting my game because I felt gunshy with it. The Pure Storm GT LTD changed my game for the better because I am able to take full swings and still keep the ball in between the lines for the most part. Maybe this racquet will help me develop my strokes better. The only problem I have is having diminished pace with my one handed backhand, which can be quite a challenge when having to use it on the run.

    Mine is strung at 56 pounds with Technifibre X1
     
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2013
  6. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    Alright, I will give that a try, if not, I was checking the Strings section and people have said a regular Syn. Gut such as PSGD works well as well. I plan in stringing at or below 50 anyway.
     
  7. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    I am in a similar sense as well, except I want to improve my game with the frame. I feel that the PDRs deso all the work for me, given its power and larger sweet spot, it works too well such that now I have lazy footwork, lazy strokes and everything bc it is such as frame that allows me to keep the ball in play as long as I run around and just swing at the ball.
     
  8. AYone

    AYone Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Messages:
    171
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    Thanks guys. Going to give it a shot with a lower tension and see how that works. Also was wondering if anyone plays with this stick with a two-handed backhand? I feel like it was born for one-handers. I have historically used one hand, but in league play this year experienced difficulty handling powerful shots to my backhand and hitting with consistency.
     
  9. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    I have a friend who uses this frame and has a 2hbh, he does just fine with it. We are all around 4.0s.
     
  10. Fuji

    Fuji Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2010
    Messages:
    6,597
    I hit a pretty monstrous 2HBH and I find this frame likes it a lot. I can hit really clean, powerful shots with it. I play at high 4.5. :razz:

    -Fuji
     
  11. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    Quick question, how do you think a hybrid would work on this? Say a decent multi. (17g most likely) with an 18g Poly, Genesis Heptonic to be exact. Or would it be better to just go all out Full Multi./something soft?
     
  12. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    Alright just finished the new stringjob, I really dislike stringing 18x20...

    So I did a full job of Babolat Attraction Power 17g @ 52/50. Although the I made a rookie mistake and forgot to tension the last cross, so it may be even lower, but I expect that once I start hitting, it should even out some more.
     
  13. JAY1

    JAY1 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    London
    Hi guys,
    I have 3 x PS Ltd GT hopefully coming on Friday.
    I have been using the PS GT with Xcel strings at 55lbs, but playtested an old PS Ltd and loved it. It reminded me of the Head Pro Tour 630 (blue Muster racquet) that I used in the past.
    I love the Xcel string as it is very simliar to natural gut, forgiving and responsive.
    What tension does everyone advise I string my new PS GT Ltd at with Xcel strings, bearing in mind 55lbs feels right in my current PS GT? I play reasonably well at about 5.0 level.
     
  14. JAY1

    JAY1 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    London
    All advice will be much appreciated.....
     
  15. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    I did a lower, cheaper version of Xcel the other night, and took it out, Attraction Power at 52/50. It's not bad, still low powered, but soft and very nice feel. Especially for playing net, it works really well. I am still adjusting, especial long coming from Roddicks. But I enjoy the frame, we will see how it is. Great control.

    I would say anything in the lower 50s should work well. Or possibly even lower. Because of the tight string pattern anything will feel somewhat very tight. I mean even mine at 52/50 feels like it is strung in the mid to higher 50s.
     
  16. maxpower

    maxpower New User

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    16
    I think there had been a post or two going over the difference between any two of the various models however can someone post the difference between the 3 models? I play with the original 'bumblebee' model and feel I will eventually find it difficult to find this model which I happen to love. I'm curious as to how the recent models play...
     
  17. KenC

    KenC Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    1,437
    Location:
    Knowhere
    I have one of the 2008 models and 4 of the 2009. The 2011 model is just a new paintjob and plays identical to the 2009. The 2009 model added the GT tech and as a result it plays a little more crisp. I also think they redistributed the weight a little as it has a slightly higher SW. In play the 2009 seems to have a bit more power. But the big difference is really the feel as the 2008 and 2009 each have their particular feel. It really comes down to what feel you prefer, the GT feel or the non GT feel.
     
  18. winstonplum

    winstonplum Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    2,232
    So I have two of the PS Ltds. I have one 2011 one and a 2009 one. I got the 2009 about a month ago when the price plummeted, and I've felt that it was lighter. Yesterday, I went to the local tennis shop and they weighted them both. They both came back at 12.25 (with strings, over grip, and dampener). The 2009 was 11 points HL and the 2011 was 10 pts. HL. Is it possible that that is the difference I'm noticing? I love the feel of the 2011 one that is 11 pts. HL; where would I add lead to make the the 2009 one a point more HL? And as they are now, which one has the heavier swing weight?
     
  19. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    Add a bit at the buttcap end. And without actually measuring the swingweight with a machine, I dont think anyone knows exactly.
     
  20. JAY1

    JAY1 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    London
    Thank you that's great advice.
     
  21. JAY1

    JAY1 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    London
    I've been using an original Pure Storm Ltd strung at 52lbs with Xcel and am about to receive my new Pure Storm GT Ltd's, if I string them at 52lbs with Xcel will they feel identical, or do I need to increase or reduce the tension for it to feel identical?
     
  22. Matchball

    Matchball Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2009
    Messages:
    765
    You could go up by 1 pound - the newer version feels slightly more comfortable/with a tad less feedback.
     
  23. Ace of Aces

    Ace of Aces Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2012
    Messages:
    206
    Location:
    Mississippi
    I have been using this racket at mid tension with 12 grams in the handle and 4 1/2 grams at 10 and 2. It feels excellent when you strike its tiny sweetspot but it has no power on serve.
     
  24. JAY1

    JAY1 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    London
    Thanks for your feedback, I will try the 1lb increase.
    So you think the new GT is slightly more comfortable in the sense that you squeeze a slightly higher tension out of it.
    Can I ask what level you play at and what string you use in your PS GT LTD? Thanks J
     
  25. Matchball

    Matchball Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2009
    Messages:
    765
    Exactly, you can afford to go up a little, unless you want to add power and more pocketing, sparing the (theoretical) increase in control.

    I am 4-5-5.0; more into racquet customization and transitioning to coaching the last years. I currently play with other frames and typically go full co-poly. The PST ltd and the Dunlop Bio 200 have been the only sticks I would do hybrids (both very low-powered).

    I remember trying thin gauges of co-poly with synthetic gut crosses. Adrenaline 1.20 with 1.25 Tecnifibre Synthetic gut. It was not bad at all, very balanced, unless you played with extreme spin.

    I use a semi-western grip myself.
    Cheers !
     
  26. JAY1

    JAY1 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    London
    Ok that's helpful. My PS GT Ltd are coming tomorrow (I hope). I've been using the original PS Ltd this weekend and just love them, so can't wait for the new sticks. I feel like a teenager again. I used to play a 6.0 level but now would struggle to play a 5.0 level or less. I mainly coach now, but this racket has given me the excitement to hit some balls again. I've never ever lacked any power but have always searched for the optimum control in a racket. This is it, I think!
    I'm going to string all three i get at 53lbs tomorrow. Or do you think I should vary the tensions in all three, ie; 53, 54, 55 lbs?
    Only thing about this though is when you find the right tension you have cut the string's out of the other two...
     
  27. Matchball

    Matchball Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2009
    Messages:
    765
    This racquet has amazing control, true.

    Are you going to string with xcel? If you are stuck with it, I think it is not a bad idea to string at different tensions (in which case reserving a slot for your previous reference tension would be nice).

    If you are willing to try different strings though, I would try 3 different setups with similar and "safe enough" tensions. Then I would take the winner out of those and fine tune it.
     
  28. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    If possible, assuming you string for yourself and strings at least last you one session. Why don't you string one of them up at that tension, decide if that is what you like or needs adjustment. And then stir up the others, with this, you won't have to waste string, nor dislike it if you choose the wrong tension.
     
  29. JAY1

    JAY1 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    London
    Yes I intended to string with Xcel, because it's so comfortable on my shoulder, arm, elbow, wrist etc. I've hit a lot of tennis balls in my life and my right limb is pretty shot, but I find Xcel allows me to play as if I don't have any problems.
    I hit for an hour with Big Banger the other other day and I thought my arm etc was going to explode.
    Are then any strings out there that compare with Xcel for comfort and playability?
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2013
  30. JAY1

    JAY1 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    London
    Yes I intended to string with Xcel, because it's so comfortable on my shoulder, arm, elbow, wrist etc. I've hit a lot of tennis balls in my life and my right limb is pretty shot, but I find Xcel allows me to play as if I don't have any problems.
    I hit for an hour with Big Banger the other other day and I thought my arm etc was going to explode.
    Are then any strings out there that compare with Xcel for comfort and playability?
     
  31. T.P3D0R

    T.P3D0R Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    111
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Thoughts on this frame with full poly?

    -BHBR?
    -RPM Blast?
    -Alu Power Rough?
    -4G?
     
  32. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    Anyone try any lead at 3/9 with this frame? How much weight? Also, are there any synthetic cushioned grips that weigh as much as a leather grip? I am finding the leather grip to be a bit too hard for me.
     
  33. AYone

    AYone Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Messages:
    171
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    Yes, I switched to a Wilson Shock Shield grip, and I think it is just as thick and probably weighs as much as leather with an overgrip.

    Tried a softer setup, btw, with NXT Tour 17 strung at 50/48. Still getting used to it, but I think I like it.
     
  34. BudFox

    BudFox New User

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2012
    Messages:
    23
    I use a full bed of RPM Blast at 53. Generally 17 gauge, but sometimes 18 for fun. I love it, some others don't.

    Wouldn't recommend it if you're looking for something easy on the arm, but if you're looking for performance I'd give it a try.
     
  35. winstonplum

    winstonplum Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    2,232
    Just got my 2011 Ltd. restrung. I use Kirschbaum Pro Line 11 17 g. I've been stringing it at 52 since I bought the Ltds and also used to string my microgel prestiges at the same tension. Just dropped it to 50. I definitely noticed the difference. Once the string warmed up, there was much more trampoline and power. I like it.

    I've read a couple a couple of the posts in here that gut is the best for the stick. These sticks are really extremely low powered. I though my prestige mid was lower powered. The Ltd--I have one 2009 and one 2011- might be even moreso. I looked at the gut prices. That ain't gonna happen. The last time I used a syn gut, playing about two hours a day, three times a week, they didn't last long enough.

    I've only had these Ltds for about four months after three years with the prestiges. I'm still trying to find my way. What do you think the difference in feel and play would be between my current poly at 50 and a syn gut, were I to find and economical one I liked and put that in?
     
  36. AYone

    AYone Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Messages:
    171
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    As a follow up, played a little more with the above set up. It felt really good. Especially when switching back and forth with my IG Speed. I had much more control with the PSLtd. I may need to try a poly or co-poly around that tension, because I still feel a little lacking in spin.
     
  37. radioavenger

    radioavenger New User

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2012
    Messages:
    78
    Location:
    Thessaloniki, Hellas
    Hey guys, I have a 2009 PSGT LTD and I can testify that although it is a demanding racket it was this feature that helped me work on my technique and style. I followed some suggestions in here and put 2 tourna lead stickers at 3 & 9 (3.5 gr each) and it improved a lot the stability of my volleys.
    I was wondering what would be the impact of an additional sticker at 12 o' clock. Do the positives outweigh the negatives of such a move?
     
  38. Fuji

    Fuji Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2010
    Messages:
    6,597
    I play with 6g at 12 and it plays really well. Lots of drive since I found the stability acceptable stock, and didn't need any at 3/9.

    Just know that lead at 12 bumps 3 swingweight points for ever 1 gram added.

    -Fuji
     
  39. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    Wouldn't change anything off did two grams each at 3/9/12? Or should I just experiment with 3/9 first?

    I want to open up the sweet spot a bit and make it more stable, any suggestions?
     
  40. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    I am thinking of doing 4 grams at 3/9 and 1 gram at 12. How does that sound?
     
  41. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    Alright, so I just did soemthing I normally do not do, but I did 2g each at 3/9/12. So basically 2g @ 12 and 4g @ 3/9. I will update when I take it out for a hit.
     
  42. radioavenger

    radioavenger New User

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2012
    Messages:
    78
    Location:
    Thessaloniki, Hellas
    I would be very interested in your conclusions as the 3/9 combination has definitely improved lateral stability for me and would like to know what adding at 12 results into.
     
  43. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656

    Ok, idk about specifics, but for starters all the lead around the frame opened up and softened up the whole frames sweet spot. I find it much more comfortable to swing now. Power lever is about the same, maybe a little higher, but it is very much more forgiving. Also the swing weight went up a little bit. Nothing too much to make a difference to me, I adjusted quick enough, but it is noticeable. Overall, I really enjoy the frame now, much better than stock.

    Any other specific questions, I am not great at giving out these types of explanations.
     
  44. radioavenger

    radioavenger New User

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2012
    Messages:
    78
    Location:
    Thessaloniki, Hellas
    Thanks, that's enough info for me to try and add some at 12 , too!
     
  45. LanEvo

    LanEvo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2007
    Messages:
    2,656
    Yea give it a try, it makes everything more comfortable now, and much for stable. Like with off center hits, before in stock form, I noticed on though, if you swung hard off center it would vibrate and be really dead off impact. But now, I can still hit a decent shot off those.

    What is your setup? Right now I have 6g total, 2 at each spot, don't know if I should just keep it like that or add more.
     
  46. radioavenger

    radioavenger New User

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2012
    Messages:
    78
    Location:
    Thessaloniki, Hellas
    well, I have at 3 & 9 a 3.5 gr sticker so adding one more at 12 will give a total of 10.5 gr on the head. I will try it tomorrow morning.
     
  47. radioavenger

    radioavenger New User

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2012
    Messages:
    78
    Location:
    Thessaloniki, Hellas
    Ok played yesterday but it was a windy day. Anyway I lost two sets using my Youtek speed mp and then took the PSLTDGT and killed my opponent in the 3rd, the placement I can get with this racket is phenomenal!
    But I found that it got considerably head heavier by adding ~3.6 gr at 12 so I opened the trap door and added two SS nuts of equal weight wrapped in some overgrip. Balance has been restored and my next test on court will take place on Thursday.
     
  48. pheonix6579

    pheonix6579 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2009
    Messages:
    757
    Location:
    Florida
    Just decided on this stick on a hunch and I am glad I did. One of the few rackets that really reward you for swinging out. I have mine strung with the free hurricane feel at 40lbs. Which for as crazy dense as the string pattern is really doesn't feel all that low. I can only imagine what it feels like strung 55+.

    I was wondering if any one had tried this frame with a thin poly at 30lbs or lower. I feel this would be a frame that is pretty string sensitive. I absolutely love the frame, with the exception on serve and a bit of flutter outside the sweetspot. So I am thinking with an 18g poly at about 30lbs, plus the addition of about 2-4grams of lead at 3-9 or 10-2, would take care of that. The balance is something that I want to keep as low as possible without weighing the static weight to much (right now stock with OG at 12.1oz). Would two grams be enough to sure everything up in your experience? Also would the lead be better placed at 3-9 or 10-2?
     
  49. radioavenger

    radioavenger New User

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2012
    Messages:
    78
    Location:
    Thessaloniki, Hellas
    Personally I decided that lead at 3-9 is the best setup. I will remove the strip at 12 and the added weight in the handle as it has increased the swing weight considerably.
     
  50. radioavenger

    radioavenger New User

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2012
    Messages:
    78
    Location:
    Thessaloniki, Hellas
    Played again today with ~4 gr at 3 & 9 each and I am definitely keeping this setup. This racket has made me improved my technique a lot and although I occasionally play with a HEAD youtek speed MP which is a very good one, it is the sound and placing I get with the PSGTLtd that keeps it my primary stick.
    Just for variety I may get a used Wilson BLX ProStaff 6.1 95 to try, anyone with any experience on how it plays compared to the Babolat?
     

Share This Page