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  1. PKfan1

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    I tried the prepackaged vs black/ rpm hybrid and it was awesome but, restrung the rpm crosses with pro line x after a week as the rpm lost too much tension. I tried rpm again prestretched and it lasted considerably longer.
     
  2. TimothyO

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    VS Team / Focus Hex 1.18 in the high 40s to low 50s works great with the PSLGT. Outstanding spin despite the small, dense pattern.
     
  3. Double_Bagel

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    Considering the RPM 17 plays well at the moment (@48), just lacking in power, would VS Team/Touch as mains (for added power) strung higher at 55, with the RPM at 48 as crosses, be a decent setup? Trying to keep it similar to what it is now....just with more power and added touch that gut should provide. I just hope that tension difference (55/48) isn't too extreme.
     
  4. Double_Bagel

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    My first time ever using nat gut too might I add.
     
  5. KenC

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    @ Neesun: The difference isn't that great. The GT version adds a little more power.


    @Double Bagel: Natty gut would be the best choice and strung relatively low, like 53lbs. If not, TF's NRG2 would be a good second choice. You need to really step in and attack the ball with the PSLGT. That's when the oomph comes into play. I would also suggest putting 3 grams of lead at 12 and see if it helps out.
     
  6. Double_Bagel

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    Thanks Ken. Been looking at my string options here in Japan where I live, and I figure Tonic+ seems affordable (more than VS, Wilson NG and the Pacific) so I might go for 16 gauge mains at 50 and a poly cross (such as PL2 18 gauge which I have a pack of here) at 46 and see how that plays out. Hopefully those tensions aren't too low and will make it trampoline-like?
     
  7. KenC

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    I really doubt it. You can go really low with the PSLGT because of the tight 18x20 pattern. I played 50/48 with a multi.
     
  8. neesun

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    Cheers Ken. I'll wait till the new Babs come out and then buy a couple of the PSLGTs on the cheap.

    I use my PSLTD with Gut mains and Luxilon Power Rough Crosses. A gut hybrid is the best set up for these racquets IMO.
     
  9. Double_Bagel

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    Interesting how racquets can be so different. I have a Donnay x-dual platinum 94 (18x20) and that stick is a plush powerhouse with a soft multi @ 50, but its a short honeymoon because give it a little but of tension loss and its a rocket launcher. Tried Gosen OGSM 17 in it @ 53 and its as stiff as a board. I figured that rules out Syn gut, and I'm now too scared to "waste" a poly in there.

    Not wanting to derail this thread, but since the donnay is a small-headed 18x20 like the PSL, yet seemingly a lot more temperamental, would a nat gut/poly hybrid likely be the go there too, much the same as the PSL?
     
  10. WhiteStripes

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    FWIW, during the period when I was using the PS LTD GT, I settled on playing it with full gut (I had tried full poly, gut/poly, etc.). I've never hit with the Platinum 94 before, so I'm not going to comment on that or make a comparison to the LTD. But I don't think there's a lot of folks out there that would think of the LTD as turning into an uncontrollable rocket launcher over time. It certainly wasn't my experience. Quite the opposite in fact given the very, very low power of the racquet and the small sweetspot, and I found full gut helpful to get a bit more zip that out of the stick.

    Certainly, tension loss will affect how the stringbed will play, but that will be with any racquet, not just the Platinum, LTD, or any other 95ish dense-string pattern stick. Also, if you're concerned about tension loss, nothing better than gut for tension maintenance.
     
  11. Bdarb

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    @neesun

    I made the exact same switch. I was thinking about going back to my bumblebees but after hitting with the gt for a while and going back to those, I think the gt version is better hands down. I can't put my finger on it but I can definitely get a little more pop with the gt version on serves and groundies but volleys do not suffer at all. Great move IMO.

    @ doublebagel

    Did you try a bit of lead? I almost gave these racquets up then I put a few grams at 12 o'clock and they hit a monster ball.
     
  12. Fuji

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    It's because of the magic that I rubbed off on those sticks! ;)

    -Fuji
     
  13. Bdarb

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    I feel the power Fuji!!!!
     
  14. Fuji

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    Hahaha! Did you end up keeping the lead on at 12? I had a fair amount there!

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    I think only two strips you had 3 or 4. It was a great place to start though. They're great racquets. What were they strung with btw? Wilson extreme?
     
  16. Fuji

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    I think I had 4 since there was 6g at noon? If my memory serves me at all haha. Yeah, it seems like they sing with lead at 12, really helps add some whip through the contact zone.

    Yeah! I had all like 6 of mine strung up with wilson extreme cheapo syn gut. For some reason I loved syn gut in that frame, given that the pattern is fairly dense, so I didn't have to worry about breakage as much. (I was getting like 6 hours a bed, which is awesome for syngut for me!) I varried the tensions a little, but I floated around that 54lbs mark, plus or minus a couple pounds.

    -Fuji
     
  17. Double_Bagel

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    Bit of an update on my PSL sojourn...

    My older non-GT bumble-bee model is currently in for re-stringing; Becker 16 Natural Gut in the mains @ 51, and CyberFlash 17 crosses @ 47. Will play with it this weekend if the weather holds up.

    I also ordered a 2012 GT PSL from TW the other week. Ordered it strung with Champions choice at 53/49. It arrived and I weighed it up at 333gms. Interestingly, my older non-GT bumble bee with a bump overgrip weighed in at 348gms!! Is this poor Babolat QC or are the bump type overgrips quite heavy? I just assumed they'd be around the 5gm mark like a regular grip. Probably not from the looks of things?
     
  18. PeterWA

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    I recently bought a used PSLGT 2009 from a friend I know and it is the best racquet I have ever, ever touched. Weighing in at 356 grams without any lead but with some overgrips, this stick gives me so much confidence in every stroke from any part of the court.

    After I found out I began how much of a great racquet the PSLGT is, I've been trying to find some others but I haven't been able to find any 2009 models.

    I heard that the 2011 models are more lively and less control while I also heard that the only difference is in the paint jobs. Does anybody have both models to confirm one school of thought?
     
  19. Fuji

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    I've hit with both extensively, and I find they are pretty similar. bdarb might be able to chime in more though, he has almost all of my PSL's now. :razz:

    -Fuji
     
  20. forthegame

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    I respect those of you who play with this racquet. I tried it, waaay above my skillset.
     
  21. teekaywhy

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    I love this stick, in both GT and non-GT form. I usually go with some lead at 10 & 2, about 2 grams.
    Couple of observations.
    1. Babolat QC is terrible. I have 2 bumblebees and 2 of the new pj's. None are within 4 grams of each other stock.
    2. Love this racquet from all parts of the court except the running, wide forehand. Can never get enough on the reply.
    3. Bumblebee version launches balls on a lower traj off the stringbed.
    4. Tension loss on any setup really seems to affect this stick. Probably due to the low swing weight and low power.
    I usually string a poly/syn hybrid at 52M 50 X.
    Looking foreard to the new Pure control and pure strikes.
     
  22. Double_Bagel

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    Hi Teekaywhy, just curious - what do each of your sticks weigh in at?
     
  23. teekaywhy

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    I forget what the bumblebees weigh in at but the newer PJ sticks with Volkl Psycho 17g,
    one overgrip come in at 341 and 346g. I can weigh the older ones tonight.
    To be honest I can't really tell the difference but is a psychological thing knowing my sticks are that much off.
     
  24. Bdarb

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    They are essentially the same. Spec wise they are about identical, the GT I found is a hair stiffer, though it might just be in my head because that's what I was told too. If you notice the 09 has the 'x treme hypercarbon' (I think it's called) layup, the 2011 on uses their new gt technology. The result being a bit less forgiving but also a bit more pop. The 09 is more comfortable but I play better with the GT. I think it was a step in the right direction, it's no where near stiff like the rest of babolats line, but it is a bit more. Picky players would notice, no one else. If you wanted to stock up on these I don't think you would have trouble switching between the two differing models. I don't but just because the paint scheme alternating would throw me off. I use the bumble bees for teaching now because they're so arm friendly, and play with the gt.

    That being said, I kind of thought of moving back to the 09 because I LOVE the paint job on it. The carbon fiber, plus the nice silver 'babolat' on the side. Beautiful racquets imo. I thought about trading them or one of them a couple times but I know i'd be angry with myself in a bit, they're going to be a sought after racquet, of not by everyone certainly by me :) Good to have a pair just in case.

    I do and I'm loving them!! Undefeated on the usta season thus far ;)
     
  25. Bdarb

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    I don't know why but you can get killer deals on these sticks too. I got 2 bumblebees last year strung with a relatively fresh bed of vs gut for 120 shipped! My GT's were about the same. If I didn't have will power I could easily have a dozen of these, they come up with deals so often on here it's kind of hard to pass up.
     
  26. teekaywhy

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    I have had almost 0 luck finding the bumblebee sticks that were in half decent condition.
    Had to "settle" for the updates. ha!
     
  27. Bdarb

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    Well, now those are becoming a sought after stick. I would need a serious offer to part with those babies! Keep your eyes peeled on the tt fs, they come up but they go quick.
     
  28. teekaywhy

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    For sure. I actually got introduced to the PSLTD by accident. I was at a local tennis shop browsing for good used sticks when I saw the bumblebee version. Brand new. In 1/2. It was new old stock. Pure dumb luck.
     
  29. Bdarb

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    It would certainly grab your eye. Very pretty stick and the specs are perfect IMO, absolutely perfect.
     
  30. teekaywhy

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    Its kinda funny. People ask me all the time what racquet I'm using when I have the 2008 PJ out. They can't believe they're was Babolat before the APD, let alone a classic spec frame.
     
  31. Bdarb

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    09 and I totally agree. "Why is it so small?" Hahaha
     
  32. teekaywhy

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    Just weighed out all 4 sticks. No strings. Leather with one overgrip. 317 (2008) 321 (2008) 325 (2011) 330 (2011). Cmon Babolat
     
  33. Bdarb

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    Now I'm curious. All strung with leather and Wilson og and about 4 inches of lead at noon..

    2009 1- 345
    2009 2- 345

    2011 1- 347
    2011 2- 347
    2011 3- 345

    I can't believe that!! Spot on, Fuji and Roy must have had these things matched or something. Pretty impressive IMO. What is it supposed to be static unstrung?
     
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  34. Captain Ron

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    I have two PSLTD GTs bought several months apart. Mine are within 1 g of each other (don't recall the unmodified weight but they were spot on). What have others seen for weight variation?
     
  35. Fuji

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    I had all of mine matched to my playing spec which was 6g at noon on them all. I'm glad to see that they were that close considering it was all matched based on "feel" with no actual measurements haha!

    -Fuji
     
  36. PeterWA

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    Wow, I just realized that my PSLGT is quite heavier than other PSLGTs...

    My PSLGT has the original leather grip and at strung weight with no lead, it is 360 grams... but I do have either two or three Pacific x Tack overgrips on there too
     
  37. Fuji

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    That extra weight comes from the extra overgrips. OGs add a ton of weight that most people don't realize / take into account.

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  38. Bdarb

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    My og added a little over 5 grams.. You might want to consider a shrink wrap, it can build up about a half size and maybe shave some weight.
     
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    I did think about a shrink wrap before and have been thinking about it, but I think I'll just stick with what I have...I really do like the way things are now.

    I don't mind the extra weight. It just dawned on me that mine was heavier and for some odd reason, I somehow felt the need to share...oops :)
     
  40. Double_Bagel

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    Are all over-grips created equal? I have a "bump" cushioned style overgrip on mine and mine is 348gms. Must be more than the standard overgrip (non cushioned) right?
     
  41. teekaywhy

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    I've found OGs to come in usually between 5 and 8 grams with the majority around 5. But it depends (slightly) by brand and type. I use Wilson pro OGs. Leather grips add as much as 30 grams and a build up sleeve adds around 9 if I remember correctly. I have used 1/16 sleeves so a full size build up would add a little more. I also checked balance on my lightest PSLTD with grips but no strings and it came in at 15pts HL. I think I may have a fake!!
     
  42. Bdarb

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    add strings then measure.
     
  43. teekaywhy

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    my point was that the stock stick is supposed to be 10 PTs HL. with a string bed (about 12g) and one OG (about 6 g) it will end up being close to 12 or 13 pts HL.
     
  44. Bdarb

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    Oh gotcha.
     
  45. Fuji

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    I don't believe that the PSL was ever popular enough to bother faking. I've never dealt with or seen a fake.

    -Fuji
     
  46. teekaywhy

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    Good point.
     
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    .............
     
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    If there was anyone looking for a nice pair of matching bumblebee ltds. And that person had a couple of blx prostaff 95... Well that person might should message me..

    Not a sale post or anything but.. Well, ya know..
     
  49. neesun

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    Is Babolat going to be releasing a replacement for the Pure Storm Ltd GT and if so when is that expected? I just want to know when TW will slash the price of the current PSL GT so I can snap up half a dozen :)
     
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    ^Read the thread. At least the Official Babolat one. Or at the very, very least use the "Search Thread" function. Next year, it's re-renamed the Pure Control. Don't think the Ltd. version will be part of the US lineup. But usually, Babolat frames take a long time for their price to be cut. Check back in second half of 2014, or even 2015 to see a proper price cut.
     
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