Discussion in 'Racquets' started by blackdot_fit, Feb 12, 2009.
I remember the bumblebee ltds for 79.00 for a while too..
That would have been such a good deal...any estimates on how long it was after the GT versions came out before the price drop?
Who knows but as its a discontinued line I would hold out because it will drop off for sure.
With the urge to try out, may I ask how the Solinco Pro 10 plays in comparison to the PSLGTs? Has anyone hit with both in the past and could contribute?
Actually, I found the PSL to be the most "neutral" racquet I have ever encountered. Neutral in the sense that it softened my weaknesses, and in a way evened all my strokes out. I feel that I can hit almost any shot with it (or at least attempt it) and get enough feedback from the frame that I can make adjustments.
I've never noticed that with any other frame (except maybe a PS85 - a distant second however) where the racquet seems to be totally at your will. I've tried a lot of other racquets out, and they may be great at one particular shot, but on another stroke you are forced to adopt a different technique to maximise the most out of it. The PSL is just magic in that it does anything you want it to without a single complaint.
I see where you are coming from. I agree. Even though I can't remember any specific shots or swings that I had to give up by using the PSL, it tremendously improved my game for some odd reason. Probably a better racquet overall
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Thank you so much! I thought I had already looked all over for one!
If anyone wants two more bumblebees in 8-9/10, MSG me, I'm looking for ps blx 95. Please and thank you.
Been demoing the Pure Storm Ltd's replacement the last few days.
No PS ltd user is going to be disappointed if they upgrade to the new Pure Control 95.
Feel free to ask any questions.
most importantly, how's the flex and the comfort?
and what exactly has been improved over PSLTDGT?
It's noticeably more flexible and comfortable than the PS Ltd.
I strung it at 55lb with Xcel, the same as which I string my PS Ltd.
Because of the extra flex this made the PC 95 strings feel too loose at 55lbs, so I would say the equivalent would be 58 - 60 lbs.
This is incredible as this can only give you EVEN more control with the
PC 95 if you string it at 58-60 lbs.
Babolat have done it again, improved on an almost perfect 'players' racket.
One thing regarding the grip, it comes with a 'Skin Feel' grip.
This feels great and is very similar to a leather grip in regarding how it feels under an over grip, but it does take the grip down half a size though as it is very thin.
I'm impressed to hear that Babolat have improved PS Ltd with a new line. Wow.
I don't understand that bit. Too loose you mean too powerful?
I think he meant that it felt too flexy and not enough of a boardy feel?
Yes you're right, spot on too flexible, therefore the strings felt too loose.
Babolat have come up with an amazing improvement- I can string a racquet a minimum of 5lbs tighter and it still feels very comfortable and flexible!
So that setup would be even a lot less powerful than your PSLTD. Is that a good thing? You may end up hitting the ball a bit short.
Not all, as you have more flex and power in the racket you can string tighter for more control without compromising your power.
I would say you can string 5lbs tighter with the PC 95 to have the same amount of power, if you were to string say 10bs higher then you would have less power....
More racket flex means less power. That's why I was confused by your previous post.
Your missing the point the racket is more flexible , but the new fibres make it more powerful, hence the point of the new technology.
A more comfortable, flexible racket but more powerful.
Do you think Babolat or any racket company would update a racket with new technology and worsen any aspect of it.
I think you need to get one, hit with it and see what I mean.
hmm. happens all the time that a company updates a racquet with new "technology" and the update turns out to be worse than what it replaces (in some aspects and for quite a number of people).
more flex means less power. interesting to see if this update is actually both more flexible and powerful. I don't know the specs, does it have a higher SW or a wider beam?
All dimensions and figures are the same.
More flex only means marginally less power on off centre shots. Otherwise flex and power are unconnected.
Do you have any reference for that?
Yes, well, I've read all the science stuff that's been posted around here and that conclusion seems to be valid.
Look up Chicago Jack's post for good summaries of the evidence.
The key variable with regard to power is swing weight. The more swing weight the greater the inherent power of the racquet.
This is from article written by one of Cross and Lyndsay.
Fair enough. But then it begs the question why companies are making
their racquets stiffer and stiffer. What's the advantage of a stiffer frame? (other than the crisper feel that some people prefer)
If stiffness gives you slightly more power on off centre hits then that would make the racquet more forgiving, but the reality is that people have probably grown to either expect or like that response.
Apparently stiffness also aids in stability with lighter weight racquets so the property does have its advantages.
I tried to engage with the Babolat Official as to what science lay behind the ever stiffening of some of their racquet lines, but he just took it as a personal slight.
That's what I don't understand. If you can get that stability with strengthening the frame in certain positions only then why bother stiffening the whole thing, esp with heavier racquets. Maybe the general population taste has moved more towards stiffer and crisper racquets, as more and more people who start tennis start so with a stiffer frame.
Some of you guys on here are hilarious, you pontificate about this and that and debate hyper theatricals , but just pick up a racket and go on how it feels in your hand. If you're not good enough to do this and couldn't tell the difference between a frying pan and a space age racket, then perhaps it makes no difference what you hit the ball with!
Play with a racket and then comment, don't go on dimensions and here say.
It does require a lot of theoretical and practical knowledge to comment intelligently on the way a racquet plays and very few seem to have it.
You can only go practical knowledge, don't allow your judgement to be clouded by numbers, dimensions, theories and pontification.
Practical knowledge is usually accumulated falsehood such as stffness equals power.
I seriously doubt you have hit with nearly as many frames as many of the members here (it doesn't take much to guess it, given your " hyper theatricals"!)
As to actually hitting with the frame, you have a point here. But not sure you know it or not, Pure Control is not released to the public yet. If you are willing you can send your sample frame to us and I will be more than happy to report my "practical" findings!
How good are you at tennis?
If you're a good player you don't change your racket very often, every two years at the most, this is when your racket is updated or you change your sponsorship to another racket company.
You might be right. And thanks for offering to answer questions and give us insight into the new frame. But I am gonna wait till somebody else tries it or I hit with it myself. Thanks anyway and enjoy your new frame!
JAY1, it doesn't matter how good you are. Bartelby is correct in his analysis on the stiffness of rackets. Greater stiffness in the hoop creates a more substantial ball pocket towards the edge of the frame. Ever wonder why a forehand felt "heavy" coming at you? That's because it has WEIGHT behind it. Not stiffness.
There will be enough demos of the New Pure Storm/Control floating around shortly in your country. Babolat have played it fairly low key because of committments to the Play and Strike rackets.
Definitely hit with it yourself as that was what JAY1 was getting at: don't listen too much to theories from Rod Cross, Lyndsay or too much of the science out there. No criticsm as their factual information is spot on when testing for certain results but the intangible is still the player using the racket.
Only you know what you feel.
I have 1 particular player testing endlessly across 5 different brands and over 20 different models, what chance does he have??
Similarly, reviews on here are based on personal experience, playing abilities, conditions, string, etc...too many variables.
A racquet is a simple device and most of them have to be customised to suit the individual.
And given that Babolat in particular likes to take a lot of the feel from their racquet due to the stiffness there is not a lot of hit and miss in racquet selection.
It mainly comes down to preference and what shapes that is often emotion.
After almost a year and a half of using the ProKennex Ki5 315 due to a bout of TE, today I decided to try one of my PSLGTs again. WOW, I forgot how great these racquets really are! Think I will use it again tomorrow and see how it goes. Anyway, I just looked at the TW site and noticed the PSLGT is missing and there is nothing really similar. It is officially a relic at this point?
For now, yes. But I talked to my Babolat rep and looked at the catalog in January, and there is a Pure Control 95 and a plus length version that is basically replacing the LTD near exact spec wise. It's a Canadian / European release, he wasn't sure if it was going to USA. It will be coming out I believe this month / spring release along side the new Strikes that are 16x19.
Hey Fuji! How ya' doing! You still using the PSLGT?
I've been using the PK 315 for a year and a half and occasionally pull out a Bab PST when I need to hammer the ball. I got TE while using the PSLGT and that's why I switched to the PK, but I don't really think it was due to the PSLGT, I was sparring with someone way over my head for way too many hours a day and my elbow just gave out. Anyway, I may give the PSLGT another shot as I really played well with it today.
TW USA will be getting the Pure Control 95. Last I heard, delivery is scheduled sometime in May. Check with them for specifics.
Hey Ken! Things are good, actually I'm getting sponsored by another company so I don't think I'll be with Babolat for much longer. I've been using the PSLGT sparingly for the past 6 months.
That's awesome! I'm glad to hear you're back on the PSLGT wagon! It's a wonderful frame. The 315 seems like a super nice frame too, I just cannot get used to the PK feel. It's a bit too detached for me.
Just sold the last of my 3 GT's :/..
I've got a pair of the original bumblebee's left. I almost sold them to help out a friend and came to my senses thank god. That will be a pair of rackets that I will always keep. Benchmark for sticks, certainly babolat, IMO.
Of course I figured if anyone could identify with this sentiment you folks would.
I just wanted to leave a public service message to the PSL stalwarts.
I ordered grommets for the PSL and received half my order for the PSL and the other half for the Pure Control 95. The grommets are identical save the change in color to a dark gray from a light gray.
As a long time PSL user, I entertain the thought of trying the Pure Drive or Aeropro due to the hype i read about the power and spin. However I love the feel of the PSL and fear the stiffness of the wide body racquets.
Does anyone happen to know if any of the buttcaps for current Babolat sticks will work with the Pure Storm Ltd.'s?
Does anyone know how the pure control 1st generation (also 95, 18x20, and 19mm beam) compares to these? What about the mold difference (because of replacement grommets)?
To sum it up, the new Pure Control 95 is supposed to be the replacement for the PS LTD? (yellow and black)
I love the PS LTD, but finding more of them is harder.
I would ask if there is a different between the Pure Storm LTD GT with the black bridge and the other with red bridge: is it only a different cosmetic or or there is some slight difference between the rackets?
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