The REAL Big Four - Predict their final title total

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  1. Hitman

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    What do you all think would be the final tally of titles for each of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray? This is taking into account Slams, WTF, Olympics, Masters, 500s, 250s. Where do you see them all sitting when it is all over?
     
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  2. sureshs

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    Fed: 17

    Djoker: 6

    Murray: 1

    Nadal: 24
     
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    500/250 are pointless


    Federer: 21 Slams( 5 AO, 1-2 FO, 8 SW, 6-7 US) , 10 WTF, 3 Medals (G/S/B) 27 MS1000

    Nadal: 15 Slams ( 1 AO, 10 FO, 3 SW, 1 US), 0 WTF, 2 Medals (2 G), 34 MS1000

    Djokovic: 10 Slams ( 6 AO, 1 FO, 1 SW, 2 US), 2 WTF, 3 Medals (1 S/2 B), 19 MS1000

    Murray: 3 Slams ( 1 AO, 0 FO, 1 SW, 2 US), 2 WTF, 4 Medals ( G/2 S/ B), 13 MS1000
     
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  4. xan

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    ^riiight, so you expect federer to dominate again.
    riiight...
     
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    I don't know about WTF, Olympics, Masters, etc but for slams:

    Federer: 17 or 18
    Nadal: 14
    Djokovic: 8 or 9
    Murray: 3 or 4.
     
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  7. mariecon

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    Just slams:

    Federer 25 (including titles lost to Nadal)
    Djokovic 12 (including titles lost to Nadal)
    Nadal 0 (stripped of all titles) (Soderling & Berdych benefit from this)
    Murray 3 (2 USO and 1 W)

    In a fair world this is how it would look.
     
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  8. Fiji

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    I'm just going to predict slams:

    Federer 18
    Nadal 13
    Djokovic 9 or 10
    Murray 5 or 6
     
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  9. batz

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    This implies that they are only going to win at most another 10 slams between them.

    That's sounds a bit low to me - there are 15 slams between now and then end of 2016 - when Nole and Murray will be 29.
     
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  10. mariecon

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    There are other players. I should hope as these four age, other players will step up and start winning something. Otherwise this truly is a weak era.
     
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    They will probably win about 12 of those 15 slams. But the other 3 slams will be won by others. 2016 is very far away. Give one of those to Del Potro. The remaining two give them to Tomic(?) and someone else under the radar atm. No way they will win all of the next 15 slams. Surprises always happen. Remember De Potro in 2009?
     
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  12. FEDERERNADAL13

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    I would love to see this happen! Fed win one more of everything (at least), 4 more WTFs would be epic, and a Gold and Bronze Olympic medal. To lead the title lists in the (arguably) most prestigious majors (WI and USO) would truly be fitting for the best player ever.

    Rafa getting to 15 slams so he's ahead of Pete, and 10 RGs would be so cool, and the masters record should be his.

    Djokovic getting to 10 slams and owning the all time AO record would be nice.

    Murray getting 3 slams seems fair considering how much heartbreak he has endured.
     
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  13. Chanwan

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    I follow the rest and go for slam count - if Nadal keep playing 250 clay tournies, there's no sense in predicting how many titles, he will win.

    Fed: 17-19
    Nadal: 14-16
    Djokovic: 10-12
    Murray: 4-6
     
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  14. tudwell

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    Federer is currently at 76 and has averaged about five per year recently. I think he can continue winning four to six titles a year for at least the next two years, giving him about 86. After that, he'll be getting quite up there in age, so maybe only two or three titles a year for as many years as he plays till he retires. I'll say that'll be at least two years (at which point he'd be 35+), giving him over 90 titles. I'll guess 92.

    Nadal is the hardest to predict. If he returns close to his 2011 or 2012 form, then I don't see him having another 2008- or 2010-level year, and he'll probably win somewhere around four or five titles a year for the next few years. He's gonna win lots of clay titles regardless - if he's not back to his best, then he probably won't continue to rack up slams and Masters at the same rate, but he'd probably continue to play smaller clay events in lieu of smaller hard court events. If he's back to his best, he'll challenge for and win some big hard court titles, but he'll hardly be dominant - and if his injury has proved to weaken him significantly, he might never win another hard court event again. I'll say he'll win about four titles per year for the next three years, and then two or three titles a year for a few years after that, resulting in a final tally of 69 titles.

    Djokovic probably won't have another 2011, but he could easily have another 2012. I think he'll do a lot better than the two titles he won in 2010 for pretty much the rest of his career. I'm going to predict he wins around six titles in each of the next two years, at which point his average might drop down to around four for a few years before really petering off before he retires. I'm going to guess he'll win around 58 titles.

    Murray's won a lot considering he has only one slam. Oddly enough, 2012 was the first year since 2007 that he didn't win two hard court Masters. I'm going to assume he returns to that previous rate of winning Masters and continues to win smaller titles, with a couple of slams here and there. Since his breakout in 2008, he's had three years where he won five or more titles, and two years where he won less than five titles (one of which, strangely, was 2012, the year in which he won his two biggest titles). I'm going to be optimistic and assume he gets back to around five titles a year for the next two or three years before he drops off and starts winning less and less. I predict he'll finish with 43 titles.
     
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  15. FEDERERNADAL13

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    What I Think/Hope:

    Fed:

    -20 slams: (4 AO, 2 RG, 8 WI, 6 USO)- One more RG (maybe this year ;) ), one more Wimby (this year or next), and one more USO (any of the next 3 years). At least 2 of everything, and a record at both USO and Wimby.

    -7-8 WTFs: Fed should always be a threat here as long as he plays, and 1-2 more could happen, but they'll need to be in the next few years

    -26 masters (5 more seems reasonable for Roger)

    -91 titles overall, a good total for a "decent" player haha

    Rafa:

    -15 major titles: (2 AO, 10 RG, 2 WI, 1 USO)- Just demolishing the RG record, and getting another hardcourt slam. Rafa would easily be the best clay courter ever after this. I see him winning RG for a few more years, and getting one Hardcourt slam at some point.

    -1 WTF- the guy is just too good to not win one at some point

    -30 Masters titles: with so many clay masters, why won't he rack 'em up?

    -70 titles

    Djoker:


    -11 slams: (7 AO, 1 RG, 2 WI, 2 USO) Owning the AO record, and a nice balanced slam count for Novak would be nice. He could get more or less, but this is my pick. I see him competing at all of the slams, but losing finals to Rafa and Murray every so often, which slows down his count a bit.

    -3-4 WTFs: When Roger's gone this should be a great place for Novak vs. Murray vs. Everyone else, and I can see Novak winning a few here.

    -20 masters: why not? 20 is a good number!

    -58 titles overall

    Murray:

    -5 Slams (1 AO, 2 WI, 2 USO) He is a good grass-courter, deserves one AO, already has a USO, but I don't think he's gonna get a RG with Rafa and Nole around. Still, 5 slams is fantastic. I see him winning a slam here and there, especially if he shows the consistency he's had in the last couple of years.

    - 1-2 WTFs: I'm sure Murray will get one eventually, maybe a few!

    -13 Masters: 5 more, and with Novak, Rafa and Roger winning some it's hard to find a place for his!

    -42 titles overall
     
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  16. Clarky21

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    Yep, no Nadal bashing from you, huh? What a joke you are.
     
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  17. cc0509

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    Could be a bit low, it is just a rough estimate. There have got to be some younger players coming in to challenge the top four eventually. I know it does not seem like it now, but I think it will happen quickly and surprise people.
     
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  18. mariecon

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    that's not bashing, it's just fact. Only problem is they probably won't give the titles to the runner-ups but rather just have no winner those years.:( Too bad for Soderling and Berdy, maybe their only titles lost right there.
     
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  19. Polaris

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    17? Are you kidding?

    Federer already has 22 Slams. You are forgetting 5 Real Slams.

    :)
     
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  20. NadalAgassi

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    Federer- 17 slams. 23 Masters.

    Djokovic- 14 slams. 7 Australian Opens, 2 French Opens, 2 Wimbledons, 3 U.S Opens. 20 Masters.

    Nadal- 17 slams. 2 Australian Opens, 9 French Opens, 4 Wimbledons, 2 U.S Opens. 30 Masters.

    Murray- 5 slams. 1 Australian Open, 1 Wimbledon, 3 U.S Opens. 22 Masters.
     
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  21. Nickzor

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    This is what I predict and sounds the most realistic

    Federer 17-18 (his been written off for years now but always proves the naysayers wrong, but at 32 this year, his time may really be coming to an end, I'm predicting one more hard court slam or wimby)

    Nadal 15-16 (You can't dent his sheer talent, could have already been at this number if it weren't for his slam absences and breaks, I'm predicting 2 more French opens, and 3 of the other 3 Slams in no particular numbers)

    Djokervic 12-14 (His getting better and better and I could see him getting two slams a year til his 29, with the decline of Federer I see almost no one challenging him besides Rafa or an in the ZONEE Murray, with that being said the slams are all for his taking, his become much like Federer, he never seems to lose on the early rounds of slams or to journeymen like Nadal and Murray)

    Murryvich 5-6 (it seems almost too good to be true but his finally won his first slam, why better way to win it then by beating Djokovic in 5, his just beat fed in a slam for the first time and I can really see him getting the better of Nadal at all the slams besides RG, although his 1-5 in grand slam finals which is rather depressing, once Federer really declines and Rafas getting a bit older, I can see Murray winning 5-6 slams, I'd say his improved since 2010-2011, he just seems to have mental blocks in slam finals)
     
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    This sounds about right.
     
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  23. NadalAgassi

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    I agree with batz that whatever final numbers one comes up with only 10 more slams for the quartet combined in the future is too low. They will will every slam until the end of 2016 atleast most likely, and then probably some more slams after that even when some new slam winners finally start to emerge. Who is going to win slams in the next 3 and half years atleast. Bernard Tomic, Milos Raonic, Donald Young, lol!
     
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    Fed 18
    Nadal 14
    Djokovic 9
    Murray 4
     
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    Nadal with additional 6 majors at the age of 27+? Good luck with that. Federer is almost 32 and he's won 5 majors since the age of 27 but Nadal whose body is falling apart is gonna win 6. LOL

    Djokovic with 14 majors looks crazy but at least he's very much in his prime and the favorite for every major (except the FO maybe) for the next 2-3 years. Unlike Nadal.
     
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  26. rafafan20

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    For this year I think Nadal wins FO, Novak Wimbldon and Murray USO... Going forward I don't know where Federer picks up another GS. I could see 2014 being the year of Murray, finally getting an AO, winning wimbledon and possibly another USO. Can't really say what Nadal will do and who knows if a younger player will become a legit threat.
     
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  27. cc0509

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    Just a couple of years ago NA was saying Djokovic was a one-slam wonder, now he is saying Djokovic will win 14 majors, lol.
     
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  28. NadalAgassi

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    Federer only won 5 majors since 27 since he was facing Nadal and Djokovic in their primes. Nadal will be facing Djokovic and Murray who are getting old right with him, and a bunch of mugs coming up the ranks who cant win squat unless they wear a dress and enter the ladies event (and will still get beaten by Serena on a good day).

    If you disagree with my Nadal counts, then just give more majors to Djokovic and Murray. No way in hell the 4 of them will only another 10 majors or so when there is nobody out there capable of winning one until 2017 atleast.
     
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  29. tudwell

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    Yeah, I think his predictions for Nadal are insanely high. Nadal just took an eight-month-long injury break from tennis and he'll be turning 27 by the time the French Open rolls around. It's also not his first injury break. He missed the end of 2005 and early 2006, and famously skipped Wimbledon in 2009, so this is not a one-off and is in fact the building up of a chronic injury that has only gotten worse and will only continue to get worse. Six more slams is simply not going to happen for Nadal.
     
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  30. FEDERERNADAL13

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    I don't understand why some people say they don't know where Federer can pick up another slam win...

    He won Wimbledon last year, despite a tough draw.

    Imagine if he had Novak's draw at the AO! Ferrer in the semis instead of Murray? We could have seen fresh Fed vs. Tired Novak or Andy... Fed could have had #18 right there.

    Fed's slam chances are largely draw-dependant now, but come on guys, he could definitely get more slams, his count is not as set in stone as some of you think it is.
     
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  31. DropShotArtist

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    The correct answer for the final slam count is:
    Federer 18
    Djokovic 13
    Nadal 12
    Murray 6
     
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    Federer needs some luck with the draw. He's been ranked 1st and 2nd in the last 2 majors yet he's been drawn with Murray BOTH times while Djokovic had Ferrer in both semis who Federer eats for breakfast.

    Watch Nadal being drawn in the quarters at the FO with Federer, obviously Murray in that half and Djokovic playing complete mugs until the final again.
     
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  33. tudwell

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    I just don't see how you can make that kind of claim. People break through all the time. Established players get injured or lose their desire. Look at McEnroe or Wilander. Seven slams apiece, amazing players, and they totally lost it after their respective best years, You'd have been crazy to predict McEnroe would win no more slams after 1984 or Wilander no more after 1988, and yet it happened. Who expected Borg to retire outright at the peak of his game? Murray and Djokovic look amazing right now - and they are amazing - but if the history of tennis has taught us anything, it's that that time is fleeting. Their games will fall, new guys will come up. I don't know who. Janowicz looks pretty damn good. Del Potro could still get back to his 2009 form. Tsonga and Berdych are always big threats at slams. It's just impossible to say. You project too far into the future based on the form and condition of players right now.
     
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  34. NadalAgassi

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    Not on the ATP tour, LOL! People have been saying that for 7 years now, and still waiting. First it was oh Gasquet will break through, Berdych will breakthrough, Baghdatis will breakthrough, Monfils will win something, then at some point Dimitrov, Cilic, Gulbis were going to make it big. Nope, nope, nope. It will happen eventually but not anytime soon. The current young players suck, and the juniors dont look promising either. In fact collectively the WTA and ATP have never had a group of more hopeless youngsters than the current one. The current womens and mens generation born 1989-1994 will forever be looked at as the worst in history probably.

    When Wilander and McEnroe stopped winning slams at 25 there were actually teen phenoms and great players coming up, not mugs like Raonic, Dmitrov, and Tomic who will never win diddley squat, count on it.
     
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    I always bring this up in discussions alike:
    1) Who said after the 2007 season that Federer was barely gonna win 1 major?
    2) Who predicted Nadal to fall after the 2009 AO?
    3) Who thought that Federer was going to dominate again after the 2010 AO?
    4) Did any single Djokovic fan in his wildest dreams predict Djokovic to go 41-0 or something at the start of 2011 and absolutely destroy the first 9 months of the season?
    5) Who thought we were gonna see 4 different major champions in 2012?
     
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  36. tudwell

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    Seven years ago, Djokovic, Murray, and Del Potro had all yet to break through. And now they're all slam winners.
     
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  37. DropShotArtist

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    Good points. Sometimes the idiocy on this forum never ceases to amaze. I think we all know to whom that applies :).
     
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  38. NadalAgassi

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    In 2007 it was evident Djokovic was a future slam winner, and in 2008 it was evident Murray was (though it took even him a shockingly long time to become so). In the 5-6 years since then nobody else has broken through apart from the likely 1 time fluke of Del Potro who hasnt even won a Masters title yet. Since the 2005 French when Nadal won his first slam there has only been 1 slam winner outside of Federer, Nadal, Murray, and Djokovic. That is 8 years and counting. 3 of those are only in their mid 20s still, and the current up and coming group and junior group behind them are nowhere near as talented as even the still slamless Berdych generation of players, and the almost slamless Del Potro generation.
     
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    That's ok. If Federer is drawn with Nadal at RG this year Fed will beat him. But he'll probably not win the tournament. He'll face Murray then Djoker in the final and Djoker will be fresher having played Ferrer. Fed's draws are always like that. But they want Djoker to get his career GS so this is the way it will play out.
     
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  40. tudwell

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    Djokovic and Murray were far from evident at the beginning of 2006, which is seven years ago, which is the time frame you mentioned. Given that, I don't see how you can claim that somebody in the next year or two won't rise up and establish himself first in the top ten and then as a major contender. I agree guys like Dimitrov and Young will never amount to much, but Tomic and Raonic are showing talent and they are young. Janowicz put on an incredibly rare display by reaching the Paris final taking out nothing but big names. And with Federer getting older and Nadal battling injury, these sorts of players will have more opportunities to break through than they have in the past few years.
     
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  41. tudwell

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    I also think the apparent lack of "talent" in the young players on tour is somewhat due to the changing nature of tennis and the skill-set it now requires. If my garbled, layman's interpretation of physiology is anything close to accurate, men tend to reach their peak physical endurance in the mid-late 20s - 27ish, I think. And since the courts have slowed down and the racquets have allowed for more spin and longer points, stamina has become increasingly important. And I think this is why we have a very old top ten right now with only one player under 25, I believe. In the past, the 80s and 90s for example, tennis was faster, involved more serve and volley tennis and quicker points and as such required more explosiveness and hand-eye coordination - areas in which younger players would perform better. So I think the relative lack of younger players is partly due to the changing landscape of the game more so than it is any widespread lack of "talent" in people under 24.
     
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  42. FEDERERNADAL13

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    If Fed beats Rafa in the QF, Murray in the SF, and Nole in the final, it might be the best slam win of his!

    If he gets that draw I'd be pretty disappointed to say the least tho :)
     
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  43. Love all

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    Federer: 20-86
    Nadal: 15-70
    Djokovic: 13-66
    Murray: 5-55
     
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    so what, no one complained fed kept drawing Murray while novak and nadal were in same half infinite ammount of times.
    now suddenly its 'omg not Murray again' bs everywhere.
     
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    Federer - 17 (Controversial I know but I think getting through Novak, Murray, Nadal and that's if he gets through Berdych and Tsonga in QFs is going to be a tough task - If I'm being kind, maybe he can sneak Wimbledon '13 as a final swansong)

    Nadal - 12 (One more FO in '13 and he's done. I would be loved to be proved wrong but Rafa knees is not going to improve with age and he'll take more breaks from HC slams in the future therefore limiting his chances outside clay. On grass, he'll be more vulnerable to the Rosols in the early rounds more than ever. If Wimbledon decides to speed up the grass, he is in trouble.

    Djokovic - 11 (He'll collect more AO titles for sure and will most likely complete a career GS in 2014 with the FO title. From then on, he finish on 6 AO, 2 FO, 1 W and 2 USO

    Murray - 8 (level with his coach Lendl, both their careers is already similar with 1st slam in the 5th time of asking. I can see Andy getting that AO title in 2014. There really is no better grasscourter than Murray other than Fed so if Murray doesn't win Wimbledon this year, it'll come in 2014. Andy will finish with 2 AO, 3 W and 3 USO
     
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  46. monfed

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    Fed- Heart says 20, Head says 18. There's atleast one more in the old man,has to be!

    Ralph - I think his slam count halts with his RG reign.

    Djoker - 10-12.

    Murray - Eh who cares? Ok 5-6 maybe.
     
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