The rise of Novak Djokovic is unreal

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  1. 3lite

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    So it seems like the Djoker has somehow managed to sustain his 'diet' for nearly 4 complete years now.

    How much longer can the 'machine' carry on with this regiment? :)
     
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    The real story is that Nadal stormed on the clay tennis scene in 2004-05 outgrinding and outrunning the Argentinian mafia (Coria, Puerta, Chela) who were all caught for using steroids...

    Then Djoker outgrinded and outrunned Nadal out of nowhere in 2011...

    Then Nadal came-back from an 8 month injury break in 2012-2013 winning 10 tourneys in 2013 straight after an injury (lol can't even believe what I'm writing)

    Then Djoker...

    For sure those two guys are clean, no?
     
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    Reads like a script of a bad 'B' movie :twisted:
     
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    It probably is a bad B movie ;-)
     
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  6. 3lite

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    Novak's rise from a mediocre 2014 to a dominant 2015 is pretty unreal as well...
     
  7. scotus

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    I would not be surprised if all the Big 4 and many other tops guys have been less than Kosher at some point in their careers.
     
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    Nadal fan insinuating Djokovic is doping...

    LOL :D
     
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    Both Nadal and Djokovic have as much experience with 'magic potions' as they have with tennis.
     
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    The same with federer fans raising their voice against RECENT BIAS (I assumed that tennis is subject of desired awakening NOW):D
     
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    I'm actually a Novak fan believe it or not.

    I just find it amazing how big of a leap he took from 2010-2011... the man was literally grasping for air to breathe during matches to becoming the most durable iron man the tennis world has even seen.
     
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    It's very easy to explain what happened. How did Lance go from winning nearly nothing in his early years to seven consecutive TDF victories?
     
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    Getting that much desperate that you are comparing Novak with Lance? :rolleyes:
     
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    its not his gluten free diet, its the fact that he discovered that he was gluten intolerant therefore his body was getting a lot more damage from gluten than normal persons body
     
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    Yah just YE1 and Wimby lol. Do you read the stuff u post?
     
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    No ur a troll. 1-2 instances of exhaustion/heat and you act like that's his every match when in reality he was already a top player.
     
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    How far you have fallen to reach this brutally bitter moment.

    If Djoker is a doper then what is the 34 y/o guy matching up with him in slam finals doing?
     
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    Best post in this thread
     
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    Rumor is Fed is getting shot up by Jose Canseco in the locker room.
     
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    They should get the blood test right after a final like Federer suggested. Not delay it even for a day. And like Troicki if they refused and ask to be tested another day, just ban them from the tour for life. And ban their fan base too.
     
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    Seems a bit harsh Backspin.
     
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    One of the doctors told him it was not necessary to do a blood test straight away. He did not refuse it, he just delayed it because he was informed there will be no problems. How naive he was...
    Players need to inform ATP/WTA every day where they are and are tested at a regular basis. Nadal and Serena once had the doping control knocking on their doors at 6 AM. Sounds rigorous already to me...
     
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    I'm sorry but have to disagree with you. I think they should be bested more times, especially right after they beat Fedal in a tennis match.
     
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    Go away! I'm trying to have fun ;)
     
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    Well if that was the case, Djokovic would lose all his blood. :D
     
  26. xFedal

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    He was the best Hard court player in 2008, but Nadal was the best clay and Grass court player that year.
     
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    The hell you are.
     
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    I wouldn't count out Federer in that not-so-subtle statement.

    LoL. Testing MUST be unpredictable, otherwise it doesn't work. What we can gather from Federer's comments is that HE doesn't get tested. So we know a suspicious player at least.
     
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    He won 6 tier 1 in 2014. That's mediocre???
    All those neat little stories about Djoko turning into a (suspicious) monster overnight may have had a chance to hold water if not for 2008. That was the first big Djoko season and that was 3 years before 2011 (he won a slam, masters and WTF : 4 tier 1, 2nd only to Nadal's 5). It is not because Djoko was subject to mysterious "weakness spells" that he regressed in 2009/2010. It's because he tried a new service motion (and new coach) that did not work out and caused him to DF constantly. He still was #1 in return games won on hard in 2010 and beat Fed at USO, which was not a small feat at that time.
     
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    In fairness to Troicki I really doubt he is a drug user. I think he is just an idiot that handled a situation really stupidly. I do agree with his suspension all the same, as allowing such procedures would allow the real dopers (and who knows I could be wrong altogether on Troicki not being one) escape.
     
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    Yes. Novak was an immense talent, but he isn't as focused as Fedal. After the US Open final in 2007 he mentally slowed down, his physical problems didn't help. After an amazing 2011 he got a bit ahead of himself in 2012 (according to him) and in all of 2013 until Beijing he looked a bit out of it emotionally. And now imo being a father has messed with his focus a little.
     
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    o_OSince he became a father he won 2 Paris Masters, 2 WTF,3 GS,IW, Miami, MC, Rome. Shangai, Beijing -total 13 titles over a period of 13 months .It seems that fatherhood made him focused quite well.
     
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    2003~2004 fed was unreal.

    34 fed who could have won 2 slams and WTF was unreal.

    9 Roland garros, unreal.

    The big 3 are guys who can perform unpredictably well.

    To guage their results using the standard of previous players as benchmarks ... they will certainly measure "out of range".
     
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    I watched some older matches of Djokovic, before he started dominating, and I must say in hindsight, there definitely was always something special about him. He plays more conservative now, but back then, you could tell that he had a brilliant mindset. When other players would tighten up, he would always loosen up. He always had the mentality to never yield the match till it was over (except when he retired from matches of course ;) )

    I wonder if any of his fans that have been appearing all over the place even appreciate his game, or if theyre just fanboy keyboard warriors.
     
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    US Open 2012, 2013 were all winnable matches along with RG 13,14,15. Even Wimbledon 2013 was winnable.
     
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    34 y/o player running faster than 99 % of the tour and seems that he is never tired... Yeah right...
     
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    If Djokovic was doping, I am sure that he would be the first one to be caught and crucified. There is no powerful national association/Country behind him and he is not exactly a player that many would like to see at the top of the pile. To take on Federer would be a problem, as it was on Lance, but Djokovic no.
     
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    There is something called argument from ignorance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
    When people don't know something, they are unease with that situation so they start making their own theories - things that they can understand. Even official explanation "Don't give me that gluten mess..." is not enough.
    How about he has magic lamp, he sold his soul to devil, he is robot, alien, Serbian project of super athlete like East Germans had ?
    Or how about he keeps some diet info and training regime just to himself (that is not illegal) not sharing with journalists and the rest of chasing pack ?

    Until he retires, we have WADA to care about our irrational fear. ;)
     
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    How do you know he is running faster?
    Also its not unheard of for someone mid 30s to still be fit . Not everyone is physically goosed after 30. I say this as a keen sportsman myself not much younger than Fed. Im still very fit and athletic. Maybe not 21 years old me, but I can still hold my own stamina wise with the young uns.
    Oh and im natural LOL
     
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    Better read his book "Serve to win". It is really informative not only about the food but about his way of life and how it came to be. I knew the wonders of the proper alimentation from personal experience and that such change is more than possible. But Djokovic really deserves huge respect for his amazing character and for that great book. He managed to change the status quo over the years. It was a long process and many heavy losses were needed.
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree. Djokovic is not in the position to dominate as he is through doping without risking being attacked by powerful entities with other interests, like Nike, Adidas and pretty much the ITF itself. I believe he's, if clean, untouchable.
     
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    5 years and counting now. The consistency is unreal.

    Have a bagel, bro.
     
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    Actually it's very real.
    Well done Novak - he's honestly an inspiration whatever one thinks of him, and an excellent model for my favoured theory that diet and exercise is the ultimate recipe in life.
     

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