The Semi Western Grip Forehand Group (the modern forehand)

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  1. Rickson

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    We are proud members of a group who uses the modern forehand grip also known as the semi western forehand. Come join us and leave that old school, eastern forehand behind. The eastern forehand is for beginners and senior citizens so if you use the most devastating and versatile forehand grip in tennis today, come and join us.
     
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  2. boojay

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    Hate to burst your bubble, Biscuit Buddy, but the SW is the SECOND best grip out there ;).

    I agree it's the 'modern forehand', however, but is it the "Future Forehand"?

    P.S. I dunno why the other guy grouped the Eastern and Extreme Eastern together. They are NOT the same.
     
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  3. Rickson

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    BBB, let the modern day warriors decide for themselves. The semi western forehand is the grip of today and it will be the grip of tomorrow as well.
     
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  4. Sentinel

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    You mean there are folks still using the EF ? Shame.

    I use the SW, sometimes even closer to a full-western on some strokes. Sign me up.

    Edit: I hit HUGE, so watch out.
     
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  5. Rickson

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    And so you'll take the top spot, what an honor! Join quickly, folks!
     
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  6. montx

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    I think the semi western is a more solid looking grip but perhaps the eastern is more loose and if gripped properly better for the arm?

    I think everything has a cost and benefit and very often finding the perfect solution for the individual is what counts.
     
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  7. Rickson

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    Are you asking for membership?
     
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  8. user92626

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    I literally just discovered SW grip this week and it already gave me several victories!!! I'm not kidding you, cuz I already got all the other fundamentals down, but unwittingly relied on continental and eastern which I didn't even know they were called.

    However, I wouldn't so quickly drop eastern. It's really good for low ball, and the group I play with do not/could not hit explosive FH. Most of the shots are really crazy, low, short, all over the place. I can only do SW with decent height balls that stay in the air long enough. Do I make sense?
     
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  9. Rickson

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    I'm not saying that you have to dismiss the other fh grips altogether in order to be a member of this group. I'm saying that the sw should be your primary fh grip, that's all. I use the eastern and continental when I want to slice or when I adjust for low balls.
     
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  10. Sentinel

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    I use the SW even for low balls. Is that laziness or skill or being foolish ?
     
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    Can I be member no. 2?
     
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  12. user92626

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    Well, you should be able to know judging how frequent you hit the balls in the net.
    :)
     
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  13. Djokovicfan4life

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    Switched from an eastern forehand to a semi-western about a year ago and never looked back, sign me up! :)
     
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  14. Andres

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    Die, you SemiWesterners! Dieeeeee!!!
    Long life to the Eastern Forehand! :D
     
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  15. Rickson

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
     
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  16. tlm

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    I hear you rickson, semi or full western all the way.But there are many of the oldschool eastern gripers left on this site.It amazes me to still see some instructors teaching the eastern grip on forehands, it is time to bury these old techniques.
     
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  17. Rickson

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    The efh grip is the preferred grip to teach beginners, but before a beginner gets to the intermediate stage, his training wheels should come off.
     
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  18. quicken

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    Ew...
    EF sucks SW owns. End of story.
     
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    1) Rickson: founder of the Semi Western Forehand Group
    2) Sentinel: "You mean there are folks still using the EF ? Shame."
    3) user92626: loves his newly discovered semi western grip
    4) my_forehand: Dorkus McDickey
    5) Djokovicfan4life: never looked back
    6) tlm: "it is time to bury these old techniques."
    7) quicken: disgusted by the eastern forehand
     
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  20. soyizgood

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    I second that. :)
     
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  21. Rickson

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    It doesn't surprise me at all that soy uses an efh grip. Soy, are you ever gonna get it right?
     
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  22. soyizgood

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    Extreme eastern, for the record. :)
     
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  23. moxio

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    I use it and it's the best thing since sliced bread.
     
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  24. Leoboomanu

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    HAHAHAHA... and HAHAHAHA... :lol:

    Not funny...:???:

    Peace
     
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  25. Rickson

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    You in, Leo?
     
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  26. CantBeBeat2

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    im in. i use semi western forehand. It owns the eastern grip. with semi western you get alot of spin. with the eastern grip you dont really get any...
     
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  27. Leoboomanu

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    Extremely extreme SW here...

    Yup, that's Leo...

    Peace
     
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  28. soyizgood

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    Tell that to Federer and his extreme eastern forehand, the best forehand in the game today. Sampras' forehand was pretty damned good too and that was an eastern as well.
     
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  29. user92626

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    Rickson and Others,
    So with this grip how far do you move the racquet back to get ready to hit, and how high do you keep the racquet head up?

    I mean, does this grip allow the player to load as much power as eastern does?
     
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  30. soyizgood

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    I'm no expert on the SW-grip, though I tried it for about 8 months. The selling point for the SW-grip is the potential for generating topspin. And it does quite a good job in that category. The trade-offs are a) this grip is not great at handling low balls and b) the ideal contact point is more in front of your body than it is with an eastern grip. Also, it's possible to hit flat with a SW, but you have to time it just right.

    To be honest, you can hit topspin with practically any grip including the Eastern (the Western and Hawaiian are even more spin-friendly, but require a lot of energy and coordination). Because of how you position your hand using an SW grip, it makes it easier to generate topspin. The Eastern is more flat-friendly and is quite good at generating topspin. Its biggest weakness is handling high balls. And because of its nature to hit flat balls, you may tend to hit into the net or long more often than with an extreme eastern or semi-western stroke.
     
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  31. Rickson

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    First of all, Federer's forehand grip is considered a semi western forehand. Secondly, since when do you use Federer of all people as an example for you? OOPS, that's right, you're a bandwagon jumper. You simply go with whatever suits you at the time.
     
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  32. soyizgood

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    Unlike some zealot such as yourself, I am a fan of the game. I liked Agassi more than Sampras, but even Sampras had parts of his game I admired (forehand and serve). Federer's grip influenced me to mess with an extreme eastern, while Agassi's backhand influenced me to take up a 2HBH. Is that a crime or something? Seems someone here is mad because they couldn't get an internship working for Karl Rove or Ann Coulter.....BAHAHAHA

    As for Federer's forehand, from USTA:

     
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  33. FraNkcn

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    I use the SW. It's awesome and I can hit flat and spin. I feel sexy when I hit like it, cause when I practice western forehand I don't hit deep enough. :(
     
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  34. Rickson

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    OK, now this is just weird.
     
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  35. tricky

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    Fed's grip can be considered extreme Eastern or very weak SW. Index knuckle on edge between bevels 3 and 4 -- that's all that you reallyneed to know.
     
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  36. Rickson

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    I don't consider an extreme eastern to be the name of a forehand grip. It's either eastern or semi western. I don't see people calling the eastern backhand grip an "extreme" continental. Thanks for the input, tricky.
     
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    Fed's grip is the Coach Green of grips. It is what you think it is. :D
     
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  38. Rickson

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    Exactly. I guess the bandwagon jumper will have to come up with another example for his "the eastern forehand is number one" defense.
     
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  39. msc886

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    Can I join if my grip is between semi western and full western?
     
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    No problem at all. Anything beyond eastern is ok. Continental not allowed and Hawaiian not allowed.
     
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  41. user92626

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    What the hell is a Hawaiian grip? The sound of it makes me wanna sit and sip colada than compete in anything!!!!! :)
     
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  42. Sentinel

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    Agree totally, the SW feels absolutely sexy esp. when you pound the scrap out of the ball.

    And anyone who thinks you cant flatten the ball with a SW doesn't know s***. You surely saw Djoko and others (Kohls) etc flattening the ball with an extreme grip. Perhaps you never got the modern forehand, right, sogood.

    To FraNkcn, I have been scr**ing around with the western a bit, after seeing Kohlschreiber hitting some winners with it (against Roddick) and when i get into the flow, one can really hit a heavy deep ball.

    Ack, since yesterday, i was trying the backswing like Djoko, yesterday it sucked, but today I was able to really hit flat and hard. I used it thruout my session and might stick with it.
     
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  43. CityHeightsTennis

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    I use SW too............
     
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  44. my_forehand

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    I wish I never used this damn grip: Rickson uses it :(
     
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  45. Tempest344

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    a very very western grip
     
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  46. Rickson

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    Just take an eastern backhand grip and flip the racquet over as if you'd hit a forehand and there's your Hawaiian grip.
     
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  47. Andres

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    No, no. The Hawaiian grip is a continental with the other side of the stringbed. An flipped eastern backhand is a full Western ;)
     
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  48. Rickson

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    A western is a western for both bh and fh, a flipped eastern backhand is a Hawaiian, and a flipped continental is an extreme Hawaiian.
     
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  49. [ GTR ]

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    But everything about his grip behaves like a semi western forehand grip and swing.. Even if it's called 'extreme eastern'. Just compare other players with eastern grips like the Woodies, Sampras, to players with semi western grips like Safin, Nalbandian, Blake and then tell me does Federer's forehand swing look like an eastern or semi western:confused:
     
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  50. Rickson

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    Definitely a semi western.

    Federer's forehand


    Notice how Federer's racquet is slightly closed at contact yet his pinky is perpendicular to the ground. It wouldn't make sense for Federer to take an eastern grip then tilt the racquet forward when he could simply do what he's doing anyway by using the semi western grip. Proof positive, no dispute.
     
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