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Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by Rorsach, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. Dags

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    I was given one to string a while back, and I found the following somewhere on the internet (but I can't remember where):

    In my notes I've written that the short side is the side with the handle, and that the mains start at the head - if I remember, there's a marking on the frame itself indicating the loop. I also remember having to mount it off-centre to fit it on my 6-point mounting machine. I used a 16 gauge syn gut at 50 lbs, and it cut through the grommets on the outside of the frame like a knife through butter :-(. If I was doing it again, I'd drop the tension way down, and consider tubing every hole.
     
  2. jazar

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    Ta. When I strung mine last year I knew I was using the wrong string pattern. Did it at 45 in a multi. The grommets are indeed very brittle. Most of them survived intact, but I had to tube a few.
     
  3. Rock Strongo

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    I have NO idea about this racquet. My sister gave it to me along with an old Maxply Fort.
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    Any Snauwaert boffins who've seen this? Also, Apologies for the bad picture. This was taken with the WORST camera ever.
     
  4. subz

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    ^^^^^ it looks from the same era as the one I have posted. See post 147.
    It would be nice to know what Snauwaert fans know about the two racquets . So please comment :)
     
  5. Rock Strongo

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    Oh that reminds me. I once passed on an absolutely new VitAutograph which was sold for next to nothing. Silly me...
     
  6. Hannah19

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    The Topaz was, along with the Aquamarine, Quartz, Onyx Junior and Sapphire, one of the best selling rackets during its existance.
    They were called: Talent series and were low priced but value for money.
    This Topaz you have is one of the first of several paintjobs.
    It was produced from 1977 until 1979.

    The world Star was produced from 1973 until 1976.
    (source: Kuebler's Book of Tennisrackets)
     
  7. subz

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    ^^^^ Thank you Hannah19 ! Do you have an idea how much is the World Star worth now as a collectable ?
     
  8. ericsson

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    OMG, he clearly doesnt follow our politics here ;-)

    Yes Snauwaert is a Flemish name and company.

    Correct, infact it was Located in Beveren which is a village in the city of Roeselare in West-Flanders. ( street was Brabantstraat nr. 9)

    No, like Ror already mentioned, it is not snow and certainly not art :)
     
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  9. Hannah19

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    That depends...Snauwaert's collectables are more the 1970's-80's rackets with big names (Mecir, Gerulaitis etc.) or the odd ones like the Ergonom and Hi-ten series.
    The older frames are less sought after but you may end up finding a collector who will pay up to $50 or so for it.
    Finding that person is the big problem....:)
     
  10. Richard Parnell

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    Hi Guys,

    I have a load of old Snauwaert frames, wood and some others ( la Grande and some fiber ones) but there was a sub brand sold and made by Snauwaert which was Bentley. Does anyone have more info on these as at the time they were more expensive than Snauwaert and the wood finish was better (or seemed it).

    Thanks
     
  11. ericsson

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    Hi Richard, yes Bentley was their luxury brand and they were a little higher in quality (and price ;-)
    I had a few of these at home

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  12. Richard Parnell

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    Thanks Ericson,

    I have a load of Brand new Bentley frames, so one of these days when I am in Belgium we can do a trade.

    I will post some pics soon,
    Take care
    Ric
     
  13. Hannah19

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    Bentley was a trade mark established in Germany in 1967 by Kurt Klemmer.
    He was Germany's Snauwaert distributer and they decided to sell Snauwaert made rackets under this brand name. Activities stopped in 1981.
    A similar cooperation developed in the Netherlands where a large retailer named Temming en Zonen (Temming & Sons) joint Snauwaert and they marketed the brand name Temzo.
     
  14. Richard Parnell

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    Thanks for the info
     
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    Graphite Advantage - Wanted Specs!

    ....and rackets....
     
  16. kthornton

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    Snauweart Mid Graphite or Graphite Advantage

    Looking for a few - 4 3/8 or 4 1/2. Any info on the Advantage? I have one, but can't find any info on the 'net.
     
  17. Sanglier

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    Have any of you spaghetti connoisseurs noticed item 310587215917 on the giant online flea market? It went for a pretty penny in the end, but looks quite different from the other spaghetti jobs I've seen.

    At first glance, I thought that someone had found a creative way to put some chopped up grommet strips to interesting use, but when I zoomed in on those strips - I noticed that they are actually asymmetric - flat on one side, wavy on the other, and seem rather too narrow to serve as grommet strips.

    Is it possible that we are actually looking at a factory job? Perhaps Snauwaert figured that by replacing the tedious hand-cutting, tying and gluing of those tiny tubes with a single molded strip, they could overcome the most significant drawback of this innovation, and mass produce spaghetti-strung racquets at an affordable price? If so, they must have come up with this idea right as the spaghettis were being banned, nipping the whole enterprise in the bud.
     
  18. Adles

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    That is quite a price for an old Snauweart!! Is that the one with the slit through the handle (for flexibility) just above the grip? I'll have to look in my parent's basement for my old one.
     
  19. Hannah19

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    Is it possible that we are actually looking at a factory job? Perhaps Snauwaert figured that by replacing the tedious hand-cutting, tying and gluing of those tiny tubes with a single molded strip, they could overcome the most significant drawback of this innovation, and mass produce spaghetti-strung racquets at an affordable price? If so, they must have come up with this idea right as the spaghettis were being banned, nipping the whole enterprise in the bud.

    This could have been a way to avoid patent issues with Werner Fischer but by the time it was ready for mass production it would have been taken of the market because of the ban,(The Jan Kodes Autograph was made between 1976 and 1978 ).
    That's probably why it fetched such a high price, it was most likely a proto type.
     
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  20. retrowagen

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    I noticed it, it looked as though there were segments of string grommet strips woven in with the mains.

    I can't imagine how that would play... must be quite interesting/frustrating/unpredictible/fascinating (choose one)! :)
     
  21. Sanglier

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    The bids spiraled away from the 'Goodwill' range pretty fast on this one right from the start, but I was still surprised by how much interest it drew considering it's a bit of an undocumented alien :) Or maybe the 'undocumented' aspect of it is what was drawing all that interest in the first place, as Hans is postulating?

    I've saved the listing pictures for future reference. I think fair-use allows me to append them here so that my post above won't become orphaned when the original listing is retired a couple of months from now. If the seller is reading this and doesn't agree with my interpretation of fair-use, please let me know.

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    Note the thicker gauge single-strung cross compared to the double-strung mains (I don't think it's an optical illusion). If there had been an effort to get around the Werner Fischer patent, perhaps this was one aspect of it as well?

    Regardless, there is a LOT of plastic on this string bed. If I had to answer Retro's multiple choice question, my choice would have to be "E" - All of the above! :)
     
  22. retrowagen

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    I was interested in the frame, independent of the weird/novel/insane stringing, as it was a Jan Kodes autograph! How cool is that? :lol:

    BTW, if I had a spaghetti-strung frame, I'd feel compelled to hit my groundies with a western grip, with a Morricone soundtrack...
     
  23. ericsson

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    At first i would take unpredictible/frustrating but hitting 15+ minutes with it i would go to interesting/fascinating, the amount of spin is HUGE and something unique, you really need to swing under the ball and come over your shoulder, if you dont the ball goes far out...

    I would say, nice to experiment with it but not something i would use during a match or competition.
     
  24. Hannah19

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    I've got plenty of new Rox Pro grommets laying around that I can cut up and experiment with.........:)
    Should be interesting..!!

    What does worry me is "What keeps the strips from sliding down over the main strings?"
    Is there a bridge in between the "grommet" strips?
    Not visible in the pictures, maybe the tension holds them in place.
     
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  25. Sanglier

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    Lest my eyes are deceiving me, I suspect they are glued in place, Hans. See the small patches of sheen just ahead of the two grommets:

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    The strips on opposing sides of the string bed are very neatly aligned, but I don't think there is necessarily a physical "bridge" between them (again, perhaps as a means to work around the Fischer patent?). Note the small misalignment between the strips on the second from bottom cross:

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    The only way to really clear this up is for the winning bidder to come here and do a show-and-tell for our collective enjoyment. :)
     
  26. retrowagen

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    Indeed, it looks like something I would use when practice hitting with my son, to get the better of him!
     
  27. Hannah19

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    I just found out that the buyer of this Jan Kodes racket is the same one that just bought 3 (!) Tretorn Speed Gun's from me claiming to be a poor student....yeah, right.
     
  28. JW10S

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    Wow, I've hit with a couple spaghetti racquets but I cannot imagine that the one pictured above plays well at all with all that plastic in the string bed. I'd cut that out so fast...
     
  29. Hannah19

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    If you paid the price this baby went for, you'll think twice about cutting out this string job....:)
     
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    Ican ask him, I've got his phone number..:)
     
  31. Sanglier

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    Maybe you should, and find out what kind of posh school he goes to while you are at it. :)

    How did you figure out it's the same guy anyway? Does fleabay still allow European users to see the identity of the buyers on any and all listings? Over here you can only see their recent bidding history, anonymously, nothing else.
     
  32. Hannah19

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    No, as I sold this guy the Tretorn's I was curious to see what his feedback looked like. I always go through feedback to find out what I'm dealing with to see if I can accomodate a buyer in the future. This when I stumbled on the Jan Kodes spaghetti frame. You can view all items less than 60 days old.
     
  33. Sanglier

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    I see. You are right, this guy is on a tear! A one of a kind Spaghetti, an Erge, a Handler, and now a Speed Gun from you, plus dozens of other big ticket racquets and racquet sport paraphernalia; and that's just within the last couple of weeks! Sure wish I have studied whatever it is that he is studying! Maybe he is living off of a major grant to investigate the health effects of severe racquetholism? :?
     
  34. Hannah19

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    I googled him, if he is still studying he should be ashamed of him self...He's 36
     
  35. Sanglier

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    Maybe he is taking Executive MBA classes in the evenings? :)

    I hope he will have his fill soon. He's been like a giant vacuum cleaner as of late, sucking up all the weird and unusual racquets from the bay at elevated prices, leaving nothing behind for bottom feeders like me.

    Buyers like him are great news for the sellers though. So rather than berating him for pretending to be poor (maybe by 'poor' he meant 'pitifully bad at controlling his hoarding instinct', not necessarily 'a standing member of the 99%'), you should be celebrating and putting out more tasty baits for him while he is still biting! :)
     
  36. dak95_00

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    I was just given a nearly mint Hi-Ten 30. What are these worth? I'm not a collector. I was also given a Graphite Orbit in similar condition.
     
  37. retrowagen

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    Those Hi Ten frames are one of the obscure cult collector racquets of the moment. One in minty condition is probably worth well over $200, perhaps even near or over $300.

    The Graphite Orbit is rather less exotic; a good one is probably worth around $30-$40.
     
  38. Hannah19

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    YOU LUCKY S.O.B........:)
     
  39. v-verb

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    HA! You've has some amazing finds I've read
     
  40. Hannah19

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    Yes, but the Hi Ten, any Hi Ten, is high on my list of wanted rackets.
    Since the string tension was so high, many frames just cracked under the pressure after a few restrings and they are therefor very rare.
     
  41. ericsson

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    I sold these babies well over 200 or 300$ especially in pristine condition (with Original Luxilon string and cover), they are very hard to find in pristine condition (the fact they are bumperless makes them vulnerable)
    In the end all depends what the buyer wants to spend but the Hi-Ten's are unique and what i like about it is they are actually very good rackets, can't be said about some other unusual rackets...
     
  42. dak95_00

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    Here are some pics:

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    I'm not a collector so it'll be in the classified section.
     
  43. Hannah19

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    Absolutely stunning....!!!
    Very nice condition, should be a 9.0/10...!!
    Way out of my league, price wise.....:(
    Don't sell under $250.00
     
  44. dak95_00

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    Thank you.
     
  45. elystrae

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    My Snauweart

    Hello,
    I'm new here and i want to show you my snauwert:

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    Ellipse Touch C in very god condition

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    Golden Mid in good condition

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    Graphite pro Vitas Gerulatis autograph in good condition

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    And this one, a "Coca Cola" paint, i don't know from which model it's issue, perhaps a "La Grande" but not sure cause the string plan is a 18*18.

    does someone recognise the model of the last one?
     
  46. coachrick

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    The Coke model is interesting. I lived in Atlanta(world HQ of Coke) for nearly 30 years and never saw one of those. Maybe Pernfors worked up a deal while he was there! ;)
     
  47. retrowagen

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    In the mid-1980's, Snauwaert made a number of different wood/graphite composites of the same design as that Coca-Cola SMU - some with more or less graphite and different laminates to meet different performance and price targets. The top of that heap was the Graphite Wood LaGrande and the subsequent (graphic redesign) Brian Gottfried Mid (which was used by not only Gottfried, but Miloslav Mecir, and others, including Tomas Smid.
     
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    Does anybody know the history of the brand?
     
  49. Don't Let It Bounce

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    I almost got arrested for saying that the first time I went looking for the courts in Central Park.

    Welcome to the forums, Elystrae, and nice collection of Snorts! I especially like that Touch C.

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    I recently saw a Snauwaert ATP Tour, in both 103 and 112 sizes, on auction. Anyone here play with either of those? They looked nice.
     
  50. elystrae

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    Thanks for the answers.

    It's seems the "coke" Snauweart is a Brian Gottfried mid as Retrowagen said. I saw a 18*18 pattern at:
    http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/brian-gottfried-mid.html.

    By the way, i have almost 100 rackets now of various brand and mostly of them are from the 80's/90's.
    I'll try to present my "family" soon.
     

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