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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

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    He's black he's blue he's 22 he scored on them he'll score on you who needs Torres they've got Yakubu!

    Brilliant end to the year cheers Blackburn, still getting relegated though :)
     
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    More funny stuff from Chelsea! It's silly how long we've been playing like this. It's like they woke up on the 25th September 2010, and decided they didn't want to play anymore. It's gone on ever since, whoever the manager is.

    I can't see us getting 4th place back at any time this season, let alone finishing there.
     
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    Good day all round, chelsea, spurs, utd........:)
     
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    Only Liverpool and City fans would be happy today. :(
     
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    Arsenal?

    Or has everyone missed that we've snuck into a two point lead for 4th spot by year end? :) Who would have thought that three months ago?

    Gervinho and Chamakh shortly off to CAN, with Henry returning for two months. In that Chamakh realistically will not salvage his career at Arsenal (and will surely be moved on in the summer), Wenger should buy in January if a good enough player is available. Fortunately Cameroon didn't qualify, so we're not losing Song too!

    Second half of the season brewing up to be exciting, with plenty of internal drama at the top clubs. Uncharacteristically, Spurs are looking like a very stable club and squad / 1st XI this year, so I think they will continue to be able to push.

    My end of season predictions:
    1. City
    2. United
    3. Spurs
    4. Arsenal
    5. Liverpool
    6. Chelsea

    18. QPR
    19. Bolton
    20. Wigan
     
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    Slightly rubbish result for Spurs, though the points dropped by some of our rivals has lessened the impact.
     
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    I went back and had a look at both our predictions from the start of the season :)

    It's interesting how things have changed so much half way into the season. Although i'm pretty happy with my original prediction, i'd probably swap Liverpool and Spurs though.
     
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    To be fair Spuds didn't have Ade and Parker at the start of the season and were supposed to lose Modric, those three have been hugely important for them this year.

    Predicting a third place finish for Liverpool is unforgivable though :)
     
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    Like you said, Spurs hadn't really got any stronger when the season started. Liverpool seemed to of done just that on paper, Henderson, Adam, Lucas was starting to show why he was rated so highly. Not to mention Carroll and the hype he had, Suarez, I thought Bellamy was a great signing, Enrique in defence etc..

    Arsenal and Chelsea hadn't got any better, so I thought Liverpool had a good chance to be the best of the fairly weak rest. Hence why I would swap Spurs and Liverpool's predicted position now if I had the chance :)
     
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    Plenty of time yet.........we got the best defensive record just can't score but have had more chances than anyone, it'll come good, if I was arsenal and chelsea I'd be more worried about the football spurs and liverpool are playing.....

    Man utd
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    I didn't think Chelsea would drop away as much as they have, but as a non-fan you just look at the talent in the squad on paper (and the fact that total wage bill is pretty much the determinant of success) and assume they will always compete. You pretty much had it nailed since the summer though, Fena.

    Interesting that there is still belief in the thoroughbred, United, being able to outlast the pretender.

    And good to see most of us bullish about our team's prospects for the rest of the season.

    I think Liverpool and Arsenal fans perpetually (at least under the status quo of the past decade) think that the other team is absolutely rubbish and packed with useless lightweights.
     
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    It's interesting what you say about Chelsea being good on paper, we've had shocking results now for so long, yet every opposition manager always talks about how strong Chelsea are and it's a huge result for their team. Pundits do the same, they seem shocked whenever Chelsea slip up. Are Chelsea really as great as the pundits and other managers say they are? As someone who watches every minute of every game, and goes to see them 15 or so times a year, we aren't really a threat and teams always match us every step of the way. The only people the team seems to scare are the Chelsea fans watching! It's hide behind your hands time more often than not.

    As for Man Utd or Man City taking the title, City do look very good. Man Utd are just scary when it comes to the end of the season though, they always manage to do whatever it is they need to. That experience will get them 1st I think, but City will learn alot from it.
     
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    Switched sky on before to see the sunderland goal...good timing, crazy weekend of football....
     
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    Certainly showed the quality of the O'Neil counterattack, even with nearly all the possession they arguably created more clear chances than we did. Also showed the poor away form City have had recently (2 draws, 2 losses). Suppose the Liverpool game is more important though.
     
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    I was in the Wolves end for todays game.

    It was pretty sick to hear the racism they had towards not only the Chelsea players, but also their own. They made Suarez look like an angel they were that bad. The thing is they even knew what they were doing, as they said sorry a number of times to women sitting close by. Of course they booed Terry whenever he touched the ball like he was filth for the accusations that have been made towards him by the QPR fan who reported it to the police.

    It was a pretty poor game all round really, but you can always rely on Lampard! 90th minute and he always seems to pop up :)
     
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/01/fa-report-luis-suarez-patrice-evra?newsfeed=true

    For anyone who hasn't read about the Evra-Suarez investigation and still clings to the notion that Suarez is somehow innocent and wronged against :shock: ...

    Stomach-turning stuff really, and after the ridiculous carry on after the event with those stupid t-shirts etc, as well as mounting evidence of a Liverpool cover up/conspiracy (see other articles in today's press), the person I now think this truly puts in a sorry and even shameful light is Kenny Dalglish, plus the Liverpool hierarchy in general too. IMO they've all disgraced the great name and reputation of Liverpool football club.
     
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    Can't say Fulham don't deserve that.

    Thought Probert's decision was incorrect, but Fulham could have scored any number in the second half; they were already in control. It actually looked like they were playing non-league opposition in the early rounds of the FA Cup (though they would have battled harder) and were keen on making a point.

    It's quite staggering how having absolutely dominated the first half we can come out in the second and be unable to keep the ball for more than 5 seconds, and lose every second ball and 50/50 (and this isn't hyperbole). I don't think Mertesacker won a single ball all half!

    There was absolutely no fight nor composure once things got tough, and I really don't think any of the other top clubs could be as hopeless as we were over a whole half of football. When Fulham were under the cosh in the first half they managed to keep the scoreline tight. As ever, when the pressure fell on us, we crumbled.

    If we continue like this, then my prediction will certainly be incorrect. As a club, we just can't shift this mental fragility and propensity to absolutely capitulate (rather than rolling up sleeves and knuckling down for a fight).

    Arteta and Ramsey were fantastic in the first half when the game was played on our terms (possession and territorial dominance). In the second half they were completely invisible, being unable to hold the ball (which was the key to steadying the ship) or assert their presence upon the game. In the defensive third, individual execution is not good enough, and collectively the desire to take decisive actions (e.g close down a player immediately and show him a single channel / make a challenge) is not there.

    Really quite seriously worrying, exposing the usual weaknesses.

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    Re racism, it has always remained beneath the surface in English football. Why bother travelling from the Midlands if it's just to racially abuse your own players?
     
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    You're right, it's always going to be there it would seem. I've never noticed it at any Chelsea game i've been to from our fans, although people outside the club say we're one of the worst around for it. Maybe that has more to do with our reputation from the 70's and 80's than anything.

    The Wolves fans were not only using racist remarks towards alot of the players, they were using xenophobic terms towards Torres aswell. Ancelotti also had a few "eyetie" remarks from opposition fans in his 2 years at the club. Those don't really get picked up on, but they're just as bad imo.

    People seem to think the hounding of Terry is good as it shows fans loathe racism, unfortunately that's not the case, it's just the fact that it's a player they hate and would get on his back even if the allegations weren't hanging over him.
     
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    Agree that within English football racism isn't taken seriously enough, as evidenced by the fact that for a great number it is tacitly not regarded as transcending club tribal loyalty (especially where there is a convenient argument for plausible deniability floating about).

    I think that Liverpool the club, more so than the fans (many of whom originally defended Suarez based upon misinformation), don't emerge well from this. Again, I think it is a point about broader attitudes, as most clubs and fan bases would likely have done similar. Now that the facts have emerged, I can't see how the actions of Suarez could reasonable be argued to be behaviour that we would want to turn a blind eye to in this country.

    Has he gone around for nigh on a year in England, and five and a half in Western Europe, using this term and never been rebuked or realised that it is regarded as abhorrent?


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    Just quickly read the witness submissions of the FA report. The pertinent accounts from the Liverpool camp (Comolli is Liverpool Director of Football and speaks Spanish):

    104. Mr Suarez said that he turned to Mr Evra and said "Por que, negro?". He said that he used the word "negro" at this point in the way that he did when he was growing up in Uruguay, that is as a friendly form of address to people seen as black or brown-skinned or even just black-haired. He said that he used it in the same way that he did when he spoke to Glen Johnson, the black Liverpool player. He said in no way was the use of the word "negro" intended to be offensive or to be racially offensive.

    138. Mr Comolli thought Mr Suarez said he had replied "Por que, tu eres negro?". Mr Suarez was emphatic that he had not said anything that could be classified as racial abuse. Mr Comolli confirmed under cross-examination that he believed that what he was told by Mr Suarez in this meeting was that the words he had used to Mr Evra translated as "Why, because you are black".

    140. Mr Comolli reported the Spanish words to Mr Dalglish, that is he told him that Mr Suarez had said "Tu eres negro", and then Mr Comolli told Mr Dalglish that this meant "you are black", although Mr Dalglish already had an idea what it meant. Mr Suarez was still in the room when Mr Comolli told Mr Dalglish that Mr Suarez had said "Tu eres negro" to Mr Evra.


    Completely discounting Evra's (more severe) allegations, is there not enough of a desire to cut out complacency regarding racism in football, as well as behaviour seriously breaching British social conventions, by setting a strong precedent here?

    Other points that emerge are:
    - Does Evra have a case to answer regarding his supposed statement to Suarez ("Don't touch me, South American" - only Suarez's evidence)?
    - Does it continue to be acceptable for foreign footballers to play here, not learn the language over a long period of time (Suarez's admitted he cannot understand what the referee says to him, or the manager - but having been here only a year cannot be criticised compared to others) and claim total ignorance of social and cultural norms as a defence to actions that border criminal offence.
     
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    Its an interesting take you have on it Ross....now taking off my red tinted glasses and reading it, the only thing that can be agreed on is that evra said "you are south american" and suarez said "you are black". Everything else, no one heard, it wasnt caught on camera and is one mans word against another, not even accounting for the fact that evra said he racially abused me five times or ten, it would get thrown out in a court of law.

    Im not saying Suarez did or did not say these things but if this is the evidence then its pretty flimsy to convict him of being guilty of racism.
     
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    Nice to get the 3 points against West Brom. There's no let up now of course and missed points feels like a mortal wound (like the Swansea match for example.) The injuries accrued though is worrying. I certainly think Chelsea may have a better squad or more depth, Liverpool aren't so shabby either, and I reckon Arsenal would give us a run for our money in this regard. Spurs seems to have a squad of players Harry totally doesn't rate! Look at Piennar, Gio Dos Santos, Nico K, to name but 3 who virtually never play. I'd also expect the blues to find some consistency and form in the new year, and Liverpool you feel have the potential to make a strong surge. Anyhow, whatever happens, I do think those CL places are going to be tightly contested, and there's a few more twists and turns ahead to keep us all in a high pitch of agony for months.:)
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^

    I think Spurs will be fine, maybe they will get 4th and have to qualify, but that's just a worst case scenario. It's the battle between Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool that will be the interesting one. Liverpool haven't been able to score many goals, but generally they have defended pretty well. If they can click and start scoring, they will be dangerous. Arsenal, you know what you get with them. They will win alot of games, and then lose a silly one they shouldn't. Who knows with Chelsea, play like they have done in the past few years and we won't be making it. Chelsea also have to go to Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool before the end of the season. That could be a problem.
     
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    Its a difficult one Ross, I dont like the way the club has handled the whole situation, t-shirts and all, but getting down to the balls of this, this is an accusation from one player about another, with no proof of what has actually been said.

    It will be interesting to see what happens to Terry being taken to a court of law..........
     
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    Even with Liverpool losing to City i was still happy with the way we played, in the main controlling the game without, unfortunately no end product. It was a disappointment to see the team sheet before the game without bellamy, gerrard and of course suarez, it was also a disappointment to see us not go one up from a peach of a ball from Henderson. I thought City reminded me of certain 'big' teams, Arsenal at a stage also AC milan, always dangerous from set pieces, big powerful runners, completely solid down the middle, couple of tricky players. Unfortunately Reina couldnt handle the hugely dipping 'flat' ball and the penalty at the end was easily given if a little dodgy. It was a close game, good movement by two good teams, City just edge it, they have more players who can score. Obviously I'll be supporting them all the way as we cant have those other reds winning again!
     
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    Amazing the difference without Lukas cracking skulls in the mid field.

    How about Utd today......ouch. Glad to see them struggling for a change. They need to spend alot of cash and soon.
     
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    ^^^ Yes, great stuff from Newcastle. What a trouncing! Fergie could do a lot worse than trying to sign Ba, Cabaye and Tiote. Anyhow, he definitely seems to have a few problems on his hands ATM - which is good for us lot LOL!:)
     
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    All United need is Zinedine Pele Cleverley back and they will be fine.
     
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2083053/Spurs-target-Ganso.html

    Apparently Redknapp quite fancies Ganso and is thinking of making a bid of £15 Million. Is he serious!? He was talked about as a £40 Million player a few months ago, with Madrid, Barcelona and AC Milan looking at him.

    Is this the same Tottenham who said Chelsea insulted them with a £25 Million bid for Modric? Funny stuff.

    I bet he's preparing a can't refuse offer to Barcelona of £20 Million and Jenas for Messi :lol:
     
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    It's kind of fun seeing Spurs play so well. They play attractive football and it's refreshing to see someone other than the usual suspects near the top.

    It's also nice that it's not just coming at our expense for the 4th spot but they "incringing" on everyone's turf.
     
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    I agree, Spurs have been the best team to watch this season. Even coming from a Chelsea fan, i'm hoping they push the 2 Manchester clubs for the title and do well in the Champions League next year.

    I just think it's funny the stance they took on Modric and Chelsea last summer (when £25 Million for Modric wasn't nearly as insulting as they made it out to be), only for them to make an ultra low bid for Ganso only 5 months later. They took the high moral stance on Modric, you'd of thought they would of practiced what they preach.
     
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    Honest 'arry would never try to wheel and deal his way to buying players below their market value, these lies should not be spread.
     
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    Hmm, all this press of the last day or 2 re Lampard, possible Man U interest, his situation with Chelsea, etc. Well, I doubt he'll be at Old Trafford (though I could see Harry being more keen about it than Fergie, despite fact Fergie is actually on record as saying how very highly he rates him. Could be wrong.) Anyhow, you can see for a short-term fix, clubs would seriously look at him and be interested. However, my thoughts are isn't he getting slightly shabbily treated by Chelsea?

    I say this because he's obviously not the new gaffer's cup of Sherry (they really have fallen out badly apparently) and it looks like CFC have no plans or great desire to keep him around too long; he is being phased out of the 1st team (although he keeps coming on and saving their backsides); and at 33 IIRC he can't have too much longer you'd think.

    But my point is, as he has been such a phenomenal player for Chelsea, a true legend up there with the likes of Osgood, shouldn't he be better treated? Shouldn't Chelsea be phasing him out sensitively and with a view to how he might remain part of the set up in the future? I mean, look at fantastic players who have a history mainly with 1 club, like... let me think... Bobby Charlton... or Franco Baresi... or Paul Scholes...

    Just surprises me a bit, that's all.
     
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    As you know, i'm a huge Lampard fan. I don't really see why people think he is being treated badly though. He's getting old and won't be playing every game, just like Giggs and Scholes haven't for Man Utd over the last few years. Ferguson isn't seen to be treating them with a lack of respect, so why is Villas-Boas?

    The papers made a huge deal about the manager "snubbing" Lampard and not congratulating him on scoring the winner against Wolves. Well, that's how it goes. The manager selected the tactics and players he thought could go on to get the win in the last 10 minutes, and he was right. Why does he need to go and pat the player who scored on the back? His job is to select the team, the players job is to go out there and follow the orders and play for the team. Villas-Boas got it right, Lampard also did what was required. End of story, I don't see the papers saying the players should go and thank the manager for his part in the win, so why should one player be singled out? It's not exactly healthy.

    As for will he go, well he's said he will be seeing out the last 18 months of his contract for sure. He said he wants to extend it and stay beyond that, even as a bit part player. That was just before Christmas, and I can't see that anything has changed.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/15/fran-lampard-extend-chelsea-contract?newsfeed=true

    Chelsea also wouldn't sell him to another Premier League club, added to that who would want to pay £150,000 a week wages on a player who has no re-sale value and his in his mid 30's? Certainly not Spurs, and Man United wouldn't either.
     
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    ^^^

    Well, you'd know way more about it than me. so I'm sure you're right. I obviously need to stop reading articles and listening to the radio LOL!
     
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    I can understand why it would seem to be that way, simply because it has been for so long with managers at Chelsea. They have praised players to the point where they become bigger than the manager, which is unhealthy. Villas-Boas seems to put more emphasis on the team as a whole, his Porto side were excellent as a team. Watching the likes of Hulk and Falcao, the stars of his team pressing and running themself ragged for the team was good to see last year.

    He's talked very highly about Lampard at times, same for Terry, Drogba and Cech. He just doesn't praise them all the time, the press aren't used to that change in things and have picked up on it that he's fallen out with players.

    As for stopping reading articles, well yeah lol. Did you see the ones this morning? Apparently Ferguson is determined to sell Rooney in January :) Lampard is going to Man Utd and Hulk and Cavani are coming to Chelsea for £140 Million. They pick up on things and run with them it seems. Man Utd have a poor midfield, Lampard isn't playing as much as he used to.. so he must go to Man Utd! Rooney did something wrong by going out for a meal with his wife, he will be sold this transfer window for it! Chelsea scouts have watched a few Napoli games, Cavani must be coming to Chelsea then! Hulk used to be managed by Villas-Boas, hmm, yep, that must mean a deal will be done in a few weeks for £90 Million. Funny stuff really.
     
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    But Frank didn't make his name at Chelsea, he was a phenomenal player at Hammers long before he made the jump to Stamford Bridge. In fact, his games-to-goals ratio was slightly better at West Ham (a bit more than 1 in 4) than at Chelsea (around 1 goal in every 5 matches).

    When I think of 1 club men in this day and age, I think of someone like Iniesta.
     
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    Wait what?!
     
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    Nick,

    See word highlighted in red.:)


     
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    Congratulations Man City. That was a hell of a fighting performance. People have said their mental strength is a possible reason for them failing down the stretch with Man Utd, but that performance will stick in their minds and could be the difference when it really matters.
     
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    Yeah it was an impressive second half and probably nearly as good as a win in terms of confidence, shame it couldn't get extended into a replay.

    And Zabaleta should be ahead of Kolarov every time at left back, seeing Valencia beat him every time reminded me of 36 year old Sylvinho vs Lennon with no help a couple of years ago.
     
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    I was hoping it would, as a neutral it would of been the best outcome.

    Having watched how poor Chelsea were again this afternoon, what i'd give to see the players commit even 1/10 of what City did.
     
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    I thought Torres was especially bad today. He just needs a break from football, I think. He's done for.
     
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    Was that draw rigged or something? Man U V Liverpool?:eek: Chelsea V QPR (provided they go through)? To quote Harry Hill, what are the chances of that eh? :)
     
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    It was incredible stuff, Richards in particular gave absolutely everything to try to drag the team back and was a monster in both defence and going forward - happy to see him as captain in Vinnie's absence and hopefully leading us to the league cup final.

    Nasri on the other hand...well I just hope he improves a bit because at the moment he isn't justifying his price tag, Milner and AJ could make him permanently third choice in the winger/inside forward role if he doesn't start contributing more.
     
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    Thanks for the 24mil ;) I would think that Mancini's approach to man management is different than Wenger. Nasri seems to respond to the French way of doing things.


    Hated to see Kompany tossed today. I understand why but I hate 10 v 11 as a neutral. I was actually hoping to see City deal out another beating to Utd.

    YaYa was missed, he really is the motor IMO.
     
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    I was talking to someone about Yaya Toure and they said they thought he is their most influentual player. Everytime City have struggled this season, it's been in a game where he has also failed to perform. Against Chelsea for example, Ramires came out on top and Chelsea controlled it after the first 20 minutes.

    He'll be a big miss for the next month or so.
     
  49. Ross K

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    For those who feel they may have overdone the festivities recently, fear not, you'd have to go some to get in this condition...

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  50. NickC

    NickC Professional

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    Thing is, he's still probably twice as good a finisher as Torres is as of right now. Even with that stomach.
     

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