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  1. Ross K

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    Haha, I agree. :)


    Fairy-tale return for Thierry last night. Apparently the roar when the Arsenal legend scored was the loudest some reporters have ever heard it at the famously quiet Emirates. In other gooner news, I hear Wenger is very seriously considering a deal for Soloman Kalou. What do AFC/CFC folks reckon to that?
     
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    I think Kalou wil go, either now or in the summer. He scores goals off the bench, important ones at that. I don't think he fits the way Villas-Boas is looking to play long term though. Getting him out the door and his own man in seems the most likely.

    He's highly thought of in Italy so ideally the club would probably want him to go there. I don't really see Chelsea wanting to sell him on to a rival in England, especially for £3 Million like it's been mentioned. Chelsea players are always valued way below what they should be for some reason.
     
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    I'd be glad to see Kalou come to Arsenal; like Fena said, he's quality.

    I think people know Red Rom has big bucks so they pay more to buy and get less when they sell. Plus, there is always a new manager coming in who wants "their" guys in the squad so there can tend to be a lot of supply for sale :)

    Thierry Henry! I'll have to break out my long sleeve #14 shirt again. That was a sweet angle he got on the goal. Hard to believe he's only 1 year older than Lamps.
     
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    Kalou would get more goals than Chamakh and Gervinho at least, not sure how good the rest of his game outside of finishing is though.
     
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    His pace and ability to dribble is above average. He can't cross or pass very well though. There are also some silly mistakes in him, like where he came on against Valencia and gave away a penalty almost straight away. Villas-Boas hasn't really played him since.
     
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    Was wondering why he hadn't played for so long, can't do much when the manager doesn't rate/like you. He might still get relegated to the 'Benayoun role' though of only coming on for 10 minutes when they're 3 goals up.

    Any opinions from anyone on Warnock's sacking and Hughes taking over at QPR? It's pretty funny how it works out that City play his squad last game of the season which could end up being vital for whether they stay up and we win the title, couldn't make it up :)
     
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    Yeah, he played in the odd Carling Cup game and didn't look very good. He also came on at half time away at Wigan before Christmas, he hardly touched the ball in the 1-1 draw. Kalou hasn't given the manager any reason to play him really.

    As for QPR, well I think the title will be won before the last game of the season. Would be pretty interesting if it did go down to that though. I seem to remember City already playing QPR in London, so it would be at home, I can't see any upset there :)
     
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    Re Warnock, thought it was slightly harsh considering he he got them up and a bit premature - but TBH, not too outrageous actually considering their pretty poor points tally and the absolute necessity of not getting relegated.

    Re Hughes/QPR appointment, a tad surprised Sparky took this job (as I was with the Fulham job.) Would have thought a bigger club would serve him better in a number of ways.
     
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    Well, QPR do have quite a bit of money to spend. He probably thinks he can make his mark there.

    What other big club would have him? Spurs maybe in the summer, if Redknapp leaves for England. It would be a bit of a gamble waiting for that, and even then, would he be high up on their list? As a Spurs fan, would you want him as your next manager?
     
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    The crowd would certainly let him have it..I'd say the majority of blues hate his guts and nothing would delight them more than to lift the trophy in front of him or to send him down. Other than previously being a United legend I don't really understand the hate, he did a good job for us and brought some vital players into the squad.
     
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    I think this is about Sparky's level. Great player but so so manager. I always thought he was in over his head at City.

    The one I'm watching with interest is AVB. It will be curious as to how long it takes him to succeed.
    Over here in American football, there have been couple of NFL head coaches at that age but they were gone after 2 years-too much too soon.

    Maybe AVB will break the mold.
     
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    Carroll! Watching the Carling Cup match, Carroll is lumbering about. There's no way he's worth £35m, what a waste (by Liverpool)! Fabulous con (by Newcastle)!
     
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    Lovely-jubbly result against Everton (who along with Villa I would put money on losing their manager within a year tops - and are precisely the kind of Prem side I'd envisaged Hughes having the potential to manage.) Anyhow, a very nice goal by Assou-Ekotto to take us level points with Man U who are in 2nd place in the Prem after 20 games... someone wake me up in a minute or tell me I'm drunk because for us long-suffering Spurs fans this is seriously impressive stuff. I'm a happy chap here, I'm not going deny it (also received a new racket just now which always puts a smile on my face.):)


    for,

    I also watched some of the Liverpool/Man City game and was just perplexed and appalled by Andy Carroll's lack of effectiveness... he looks more like a rugby player to me (given England's problems in that sport may be he should take it up?) ATM though he doesn't look worth a couple of mill never mind 35.
     
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    Could have three on 48 points after Saturday, hard to think about really with what I would have thought to be an unmatched first half of the season from City. Looking like the games between the top teams will decide the title.

    and yeah Carroll is ****e, would be lucky to warm the Newcastle bench these days :shock:.
     
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    All the neutrals will be backing Tottenham for sure, it would be amazing to see them beat the two Manchester clubs and win it all. They'll probably get 3rd in the end, but i'm hoping they can hold on for as long as they can.

    I see Cahill is still being a bit precious about his move. Why are Chelsea still bothering? He's demanding stupid money, he's not happy with £25 Million over the course of his contract at the moment. That's not the player we need or want at the club. I think he likes being the big fish in the small pond if i'm honest, where he can make mistakes and not have it analysed like he would if he were at Chelsea. Maybe he's comfortable at the level he's playing at and going to Napoli next month to go up against Cavani, Hamsik and Lavezzi is something he doesn't fancy. There's no shame in that, but it's not the attitude of a player who should be anywhere near a top 6 team.
     
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    It certainly would be incredible, if City fail to win the league Spurs would be the first club I'd be happy to see win it. We've been similar clubs throughout history and they have played some great footy under 'arry and the consistency they have shown this year has been very good. Their next 8 games (excluding Wigan) have City, Liverpool, Arsenal, United, Newcastle, and Chelsea though which will display whether or not they are genuine title contenders with City and United, the next two months should be exciting :)

    As for Cahill I never really rated him that much, he's decent going forward and can shoot with both feet but not much as a defender, don't see him as much different from Luiz really. He doesn't have the strength of Lescott or the awareness of someone like Jagielka so don't see his appeal.

    Then again can't be as bad as Phil Jones has been at centre half recently :)
     
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    Phil Jones, yeah, ever since I put him in my fantasy team he's been awful. He's scored an own goal and been an injury doubt for most of the time! I've never really rated him as highly as everyone else seems to. Future England captain, going to better than Terry etc.. I only put him in as he was playing in midfield and scored a couple.

    I'm with you on Cahill, I don't rate him either. I'd much rather pay more and get Subotic and Hummels if i'm honest. The manager says he has back up plans if the deal falls through, it would be interesting to know who he has in mind.
     
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    Totally agree, he's not that good.

    I wonder re the contract money if he's trying to do it "Sol Campbell style". Sol came on a free to Arsenal (remember that Ross :)
    and as a result Arsenal paid him a lot more on the weekly wage since they're weren't out a big transfer fee.

    Having said all that, Cahill is no Sol Campbell.

    Anyone have thoughts on the Milan Derby on Sunday, should be a cracker with Wesley back in action; I always had a soft spot for Ranieri and thought he did a decent job.
     
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    Sol Campbell?... "SHAKES HEAD."

    We nurtured him. Made him an England player. He could have gone to virtually any club in the world, and who does he decide he wants to play for?... Arsenal?!:eek: Like Figo going to Madrid, for example, it's just not acceptable. It's like a massive "f**** you - we don't don't really give a crap at all about you fans"...

    Man's a disgrace. :mad::)
     
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    Another great performance from Torres today. He's been our best player over the last 3 weeks or so that he's been playing more. I'm not really sure if that's a good thing though! When your best player is a striker you payed £50 Million for who doesn't score, something isn't quite right :)

    I think he's starting to realise that he probably won't ever be the same kind of player that he was, so is trying to mould himself into more of a worker who chases everything down and looks to set up team mates. Having seen him in person a few times, what strikes you is that he's actually alot more skillful than you'd imagine. When you see him play for Spain alongside all the amazing technical players he looks out of place, but he actually has some nice touches and flicks.

    Maybe a more skillful version of a journeyman striker in the Premier League is what he'll end up as, it's a shame, but it's alot more useful than him wandering around the pitch waiting for an easy chance to put away like he has been doing the last few years.
     
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    Knew we'd have problems with Wolves. We definitely need another striker and another defender.

    Fena, Q. Is Alex so bad in your opinion? Not up to it then or what?
     
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    Ahh Ross, these are the matches where you need to sneak a win if you're going for the title :)

    Alex, he was a great player. The last few years he's been injured alot, mostly niggles that seem to put him out for longer each time. Everytime he comes back he's not quite as good. It makes sense for Chelsea to want to replace him with a younger player, i'm just not sure if Cahill is the right one.

    It will be interesting to see if he does go to QPR, and they also get Samba who they have been looking at. There will be alot of battered and bruised strikers around the Premier League :)
     
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    It's good to see a 4 point gap opening up between us in 4th and the rest battling it out for the last Champions League spot!

    Brendan Rogers is doing an amazing job, which will come as no surprise to Mourinho. He was his protege of sorts when he was youth and reserve team coach at Chelsea, it's great to see him doing so well.
     
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    Well the thing is that he's a different player because he's in a different system, one I feel that he's still not fully adjusted to nor does it play to his strengths. He won't be the player he was because our system doesn't allow him to be, but that's OK. He's still young enough that he's got time to find his niche and succeed. He won't be the 30 goal a season Torres, he'll be different because the system doesn't call for a guy who can just finish. He'll become a better player for it, methinks.

    Alex was great, as you say, when on form. He has a rocket right foot which is always a plus in my book. Sad to see him go but it was time. Cahill isn't the right one I don't think. Subotic, as you said, would be miles better. Hell maybe AVB will play Essien at center half now that he's fit again, just like Mourinho did way back when.

    I thought AVB was Mou's protege?
     
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    Interesting take on Torres, I have to agree. You see the likes of Grant Holt for Norwich running around and giving everything for the team, he's not a particularly good player, but he makes up for it in different ways. That's what I think Torres will have to do in this Chelsea side, although he has alot more quality so can go out to the wing to give Sturridge space inside, he can also put players in on goal through his natural ability. It seems he's realised this is the way he's going to have to play to make it work.

    Yeah, it's the injuries that keep taking it out of Alex unfortunately. He was a rock at the back in his prime, but he's been on the way down for awhile now unfortunately. As for Subotic, he seems to be more of a ball playing defender like a Rio Ferdinand or David Luiz. With Terry getting older, Subotic and Luiz as the central pairing would scare me quite a bit! :) Hummels is more of a traditional defender, he'd of been alot better than Cahill imo.

    Yeah Villas-Boas followed Mourinho around clubs and learnt alot from him. Brendan Rodgers was one of Mourinho's first appointments when he started at Chelsea:

    In 2004 the recently-appointed manager of Chelsea invited him for an interview. "Jose played 4-3-3, or a 4-4-2 diamond, and he wanted a coach to implement his methodology. As you can imagine I was nervous meeting him, a guy I'd read a book about. But he was brilliant, and made me his first external appointment. He took me under his wing a wee bit, maybe because he saw something different in me, or maybe there was a bit of empathy because, like him, I hadn't had the big playing career. Anyway, that started one of the best times of my life. Jose had learnt from his mentor, Louis van Gaal, and I learnt from him, that there must never be a lazy day in training, and that preparation is vital."

    Mourinho also helped Rodgers get his first management job and still keeps in contact with him.
     
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    Rodgers is class, that he can get a newly promoted club looking so solid defensively (at home at least!) and good in possession keeping 65% of the ball against just about every team is incredible. Before the season started I expected them to be about where Newcastle are now but their away form has kept them from achieving that. Still, a couple more years like this and the big clubs will be knocking on his door shortly after.
     
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    The thing with Torres is that the Torres that played for Atletico wasn't much of a goal-scoring out-and-out striker, IIRC (his Wiki page shows his record of 82 goals in 214 matches, whereas he had 63 goals in 102 matches). He's got more to his game than we probably know, and we only saw part of it at Liverpool and we're seeing a different part of it with Chelsea.



    And is anyone else watching the Milan derby? I can't see why Ricky Alvarez is so highly regarded, I have no idea what Wenger saw/sees in him.
     
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    Agree, very classy. Am growing more and more impressed by Rodgers. Time will tell, but wondering if he might be a future great manager. Good piece below. I wonder if Daniel Levy and the Spurs board etc would at least consider him for the likely exit of Redknapp?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...nsea-City-beat-Arsenal-at-their-own-game.html
     
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    Gary Cahill seals move to Chelsea believed to be around £7 million. Cool!
     
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    Will be interesting to see how he gets on, the jury is still out on him I think.

    Seeing 3 of England's back 4 in Cole, Terry and Cahill playing together will be fun to see though.
     
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    So i've been reading Chelsea are making a big push to get Hazard as soon as possible. They say he may even of started to discuss terms.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2087544/Chelsea-Eden-Hazard.html

    Not sure I really believe that if i'm honest, I think Madrid will get him in the summer. It's nice to see the club being pro-active though, and he's certainly the right kind of player we need. A step in right direction for sure, but I don't think it will be pulled off.
     
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    I still wonder why Wenger went for Gervinho and Park from Lille rather than Hazard..suppose the asking price could have been inflated but they're crying out for a winger with a good final ball.

    Also Newcastle have pulled off another great signing with Pappis Demba Cisse, surprised other clubs haven't gone for the players they've gone for as many could do with a signing like him..Arsenal Liverpool Tottenspuds come to mind. They've gotten the likes of Santon, Cabaye, Ba, and Tiote in the last couple windows for cheap, and supposedly are after Aly Cissokho as well. Looks like they could be there to stay in the position challenging the top 4 for a a while longer.
     
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    I think Park is not up for it but Gervinho has been really good so far-just needs to take his chances. Many players from the other leagues take a long time to get used to the pace and power of the EPL. I remember Pires said it took him six months to get used to the beating he was taking every week.

    As always with Arsenal(and I'm glad), its down to money. I can't remember the figure for Hazard but the price got pretty crazy by the end.

    I think Arsenal could spend more and in hindsight, we should have bought Cahill for 7mil. Not sure how good he'll be but Vermaelen just can't stay healthy. He is more important than RvP IMO.
     
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    Yeah, Newcastle are signing all the right players, will be interesting to see if they can keep hold of Ba, Krul, Cabaye, Tiote etc..

    Lille say Hazard can go for £35 Million this month. I think he's probably worth it, if after a couple of years it hasn't worked you could still get most of the fee back if you sold him to Madrid. There isn't really a risk in going for him, but the reward if it does come off and he turns out to be the player everyone thinks he will be are huge. Chelsea would probably have to change formation to a 4-2-3-1 with Torres up front, Mata just behind him, with Sturridge and Hazard out wide. That formation worked really well against Man Utd away in the second half, it gets you natural width which we have lacked, Mata can play central where he likes to and Torres will get more ammunition. The 3 behind Torres can also switch at any time which would create alot of uncertainty for teams trying to defend against it, for a team who are currently far too predictable, it makes alot of sense.
     
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    FCB! FCB! FCB! They're dancing in Barca! Real doesn't get to crush the trophy this year...
     
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    I actually quite like the look of Gervinho, he can dribble past anyone and never shies away from going directly after defenders but in the Arsenal matches I've seen he makes the wrong decision or makes a poor final ball too often. The talent is there though and you're probably right in him becoming much better next year.

    Yeah seems he would be a perfect fit for Chelsea, With Ramires/Lampard and Romeu/Essein behind it looks as strong as any 11 in the league. Would also add speed to a side where only Ramires and Cole really provide any, and Hazard is certainly quick, fast, and has got pace.
     
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    Absolutely, he seems to fit Chelsea very well and the idea of him being a main man and someone who the team can be built around seems to appeal to him. I'm not really sure why Man Utd are after him, they have other concerns, like central midfield for starters. They have Nani, Valencia and Young, so another player like that would be overkill i'd of thought.

    I'm interested to see if they have a striker lined up this window aswell. There are reports that Drogba could sign for a team in China over the weekend, just Torres and Lukaku would leave us a bit short.
     
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    Holy s***, what a weekend we have coming up!... gooners - Utd, Spurs - City... will be fascinating - and anxiety inducing - to see how it pans out.

    On a personal note, what with Ade ineligible to play, I'm wondering (and praying) about Defoe. He's actually looked pretty sharp this season and has scored (IIRC) 7 goals from 15 often substitute appearances. I think he's got a lot to prove and will be raring to show his (admittedly in and out) class.
     
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    It's a good weekend yeah, although it's a shame the game of the weekend is on Saturday lunch time! After Norwich v Chelsea, it's all downhill :)

    Not too keen on Chelsea been linked with Willian, especially as they're said to be willing to go to £30 Million. If we have that much money to spend, give it to Lille for Hazard! Sort it out Ron Gourlay and co..
     
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    Torres sucks. Even though he's in a new system, any striker worth 50 million should be able to score one here and there.
     
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    He was poor today, sure. I've said it before and i'll say it again, pundits and managers do my head in when they talk about Chelsea as this world class, super team. The way Lambert talked after the game, you'd be forgiven for thinking he had just kept Barcelona from scoring with 7 men. Chelsea never threatened, and we never do, which has been the case for 18 months. They were asking Lambert which part of his game plan was the real master plan to stop the mighty Chelsea? Well, we stopped ourselves. You could of put traffic cones out there and given the Norwich players a day off and we still would be out there trying to score.
     
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    Look at the positives, at least you're less **** than Liverpool.

    Also I captained Dempsey in fantasy which will be a nice 40 points, good day with a lot of good matches MOTD should be quite fun!
     
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    I'm gutted! I thought I set him as captain for my team this morning aswell. Turns out I selected the other player in a white shirt in central midfield, Dyer! Dempsey was vice captain.

    I was loving it when his goals were going in, was a pretty sick feeling to find out when I just checked.

    Do you get MOTD in America?
     
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    Ouch that's a shocker, at least you have him but the captain decisions really do decide a lot - I was close to changing to Aguero at the last second myself but happy I didn't, after a few awful weeks that saw my team drop 50,000 places this is a half decent week 54 with 6 to go :)

    There's three footie channels (two that show English/Italian leagues and one that shows German/Spanish) and one has an abridged version of it without the 'analysis' - only the highlights along with the post match interviews, to be honest I can do without the analysis most of the time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfQarImZ97Y

    ^^ sums up how annoying MOTD can be due to the so called pundits haha.
     
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    King Kenny is a fraud. Outdated manager.
     
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    To be honest, I just Sky + it and fast forward through all the analysis too. Although Alan Hansen does an amazing job of ripping Bosingwa apart, I didn't realise how how shocking his positioning is. It's pretty funny seeing Bosingwa running in the wrong direction in slow motion everytime we concede a goal :)

    Yeah the fantasy team this year has been strange. I was on top for a few weeks but then it fell apart for some reason. Whoever I put in seems to get injured within the first half of his first game for me :) I put Jones in and he got his face smashed in and missed a few games, then he came back, let 3 in against Newcastle and scored an own goal! I think it's better to not tinker too much and just let it play out.
     
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    Funny that Tevez doesn't want to move to PSG since they "don't meet his footballing objectives". I wasn't aware he had any other than cash. His agent is bad news.
     
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    Have to say, I sort of agree, and am on record in this thread as stating major doubts when he got the job.

    His signings and selections just have not done the business... Downing? ... even LFC's own fans are booing him now... Henderson?... hmmm... Carroll?... we won't even go there... Kuyt?... banished... Johnson?... insists on playing him when some don't think he's even the best at the club in that position (same applies with England too)... tactics etc?... Kenny seems to be changing it up and experimenting and, well, fumbling around somewhat... then there's the fiasco of the Suarez situation which Kenny seems to have lead them into... and blaming the players today for the Bolton beating because the players don't have the same attitude as Liverpool sides of the 70's or whenever???...

    I don't know... what do you reckon Mr. Meaghan if you're reading this?... I just don't think he cuts it TBH.
     
  50. PED

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    I agree with you Ross.

    Carroll's mode of play is outdated but if you're going to buy him, at least buy some players who can supply him with crosses.

    Barring that, they need Suarez back, simple as that to do the business in front of goal.
     

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