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  1. forthegame

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    Right, was AVB proved right? That this Chelsea team cannot hang with City? Let me know your thoughts, gents.

    Was hoping Chelsea would do us a favour (United fan) but I think the title deserves a tough fight. If there was a way Arse-nal could challenge for topspot..

    Too much mediocre football has got the Premier League where we are today, minor players in Europe
     
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    Looks like the pressure is beginning to tell on Mourinho and Real. Just 6 point lead at the top of la liga now. If they have to play Barca again I think they could really be getting wobbly.
     
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    I agree with you and think Fena will too. A couple of appropriate buys would make things right though and Torres is getting there-I enjoyed watching the interaction between he and De Matteo when Torres came off.

    The game started off with a frenetic pace but it got ugly in a hurry. City have all these attacking options but they don't seem to work well together. I also think City is much better with Berry in the team and he made an impact after coming on.

    I guess Wenger gets credit for 2 victories yesterday: our win over Everton and also the City win over Chelsea: 1/3rd of the outfield players were Arsenal sell-ons and Nasri scored the winner :twisted:

    I've not watched Everton much this year but was really impressed with their work rate. Not the prettiest side but they don't allow you a moments rest when you're i possession-very Barca like in their constant pressure.
     
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    Yup, I agree. The team just isn't very good, the players knew most of them would be kicked out in the summer, so decided to do whatever it took to get Villas-Boas out before the end of the season to try and save their skins.

    They decided to give it everything when he was sacked to try and make people think their hopeless form was all the managers fault.

    I think it will take more than a couple of buys though really :)
    Two strikers, two wingers, 2-3 midfielders and a right back. It's at least half a team needed.
     
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    Massive potentially season-defining game for Spurs against Chelsea on Saturday. Redknapp, taking a wider POV and looking back a few years, IMO has done an incredible job getting us as to our present position. However, time and again his tactics and the strategies he's used, as well as some of his purchases I have to say, have proved inadequate. And now we've lost a lot of confidence with this awful run, well, I make Chelsea favourites for this match. And finishing 5th would be just devastating as it would surely severely impact upon any potential new manager and new signings we may hope to attract. A point would be good as our run in then gets easier. I'm not holding my breath though.
     
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    ^^^

    Well, I'll take that point, and quite happily considering my pr-match pessimism. It's all about 4th place now. Failure to secure that would be simply be a killer blow.

    Gooners with an easy and not entirely hard to predict victory over Villa, whose decision to hire McCleish still baffles me completely.

    Talking of useless managers, just WTF is going on with Dalglish and Liverpool?! :shock: Regulars here will know I was underwhelmed and sceptical with 'King Kenny''s appointment, and untold millions and a load of eye-catchingly crap results later, I just think he's blundering around there.

    Everyone always goes on about the value of employing managers over the long term citing Fergie's long tenure bla bla bla bla - IMO Liverpool (and a few other clubs) should be hitting the trigger far quicker and getting shot of these so-so managers who are toying with their great heritage. I reckon winning some meaningless domestic trophy (and, man, did they scrape that or what?!) is about as far as Dalglish will ever go with the reds. Sad really... can you imagine a Liverpool bossed by a Mourinho, a Guardiola, a Rhyjkard, a Hiddink, etc?
     
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    That was probably one of the top 3 worst games of the Premier League this year :)

    The first half, Spurs were happy to park the bus with 5 in midfield safe in the knowledge that Chelsea are toothless. It made for some pretty ugly stuff!
     
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    It was bloody dire, wasn't it? That said, I wish we'd chosen to 'park the bus' against Man U and Arsenal.:)

    Anyone see the Crouch goal? OMG, echoes of Van Basten. What a strike.
     
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    Yeah, a draw was all Spurs needed really. It will take something unexpected for them to balls it up, that's it for Chelsea now, especially with Arsenal and Liverpool away still to come. Even if we were playing well it would be a huge ask.

    I wish Spurs had of gone for it a bit more, i've said countless times on here that attacking Chelsea always results in success. We get pinned down and can't counter attack very well, it's a risk free way to go really.
     
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    Tevez being back for two 20 minute appearances really made me notice just how average Balotelli and Dzeko have been for the past few months, worrying but a good point away especially after Crouchinho showed up for his standard important goal against us.

    Arsenal/City in two weeks will be a battle, the hundreds of sideways passes with no width nor attacking threat may cause Arsenal to take us lightly enough to bench Van Persie - genius plan!
     
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    I was disgusted by Chelsea's play today. As you rightly state, they simply aren't good enough. A new philosophy is needed at the club, and it needs to be implemented and kept. And backed by all.

    Crouch's goal was a bomb. Best shot I've seen in a while. Toure's goal was a good one too, he put a lot on that shot.
     
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    I feel sorry for the players really, i'm sure they do want to win, they just are nowhere near good enough. It's a shame, but it happens.
     
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    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...8/Chelsea-open-talks-with-Edinson-Cavani.html

    Interesting! I'd of thought if Napoli were wanting to raise funds and cash in this summer they would of sold Lavezzi. They recently got Vargas who is a very similar player, so they would of already had a ready made replacement and they could of spent the £25 Million they could get for him on getting someone like Subotic and more depth.
     
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    'Crouchinho'?!... plan to bench van Persie?!... :lol:
     
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    Didn't see the game but was Stoke really that physical against City yesterday?

    Mancini was so mad he wouldn't even talk to the press-who was the ref?
     
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    Wonder if Drogba will be made to suffer this evening over his perceived slight or p*** taking little dance?

    Notice Blanc is supposedly wanted by Roman. Just paper talk probably but an interesting shout imo.
     
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    I think way too much has been made of it. Everybody at Chelsea has given Benfica the upmost respect in every interview given so far, Drogba and Luiz have spoken about the little jig and it was in response to the prospect of a semi-final with Barcelona.

    After everything Chelsea have been through with Barcelona over the last 8 years, we have a rivalry, there is bad blood and unfinished business after the famous 4 penalty incidents at the same stage in 2009. The players still think about the injustice of that game and it hurts, it was an even lower feeling than losing the final the year before for me personally. To have the opportunity to potentially go up against Barcelona and a chance of redemption, it's an understandable reaction.
     
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    I see and empathize with what you're saying. Chelsea had every right to feel aggrieved with what went on what with terrible decisions etc. Sadly where Barca have got even better than they were a few years ago - and that was brilliant - Chelsea are nowhere near as good as they were then. Then, they were a real match for Barcelona - such a dynamic, strong and tactically astute side, one which was undoubtedly one of the top three clubs in Europe. Now though, well, I just can't envisage the present Chelsea team having a hope in hell against Barca, should they go through against Benfica. I could be totally wrong of course :wink: ...

    On the Spurs front, all other matters put aside for a second, a victory is what is required to see if the boat has truly steadied.
     
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    Nicely done by Chelsea, Fena, a superb result for you. And a great display by us too - we totally and utterly dominated Bolton and, for once, got the goals to put it to bed... so... Spurs - Chelsea FA Cup semi eh? Let's hope for a better game than last Saturday.
     
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    I agree, Barcelona is pretty much an impossible task unfortunately. Maybe karma will give us those 4 penalties in the Nou Camp this time, maybe grab another on the counter-attack. 5 away goals would do nicely :)

    Yeah we were excellent, Benfica were like Stoke the way they were going for long throw ins and long balls. When they tried to do what they normally do we seemed to be one step ahead all the time, so Di Matteo can take alot of credit for the way he prepared the team. Luiz has looked really good the last month or so, like Carvalho at his best, which he was bought in to be.

    The semi-final should be a good one! I've been hearing they might move it forward to a friday to give Chelsea a few extra days rest if we go make it to the semi's of the Champions League.
     
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    Anything would be better than that game last week, it almost made me start watching the NBA.....lol

    Nice work Fena, you've got to be pleased. :)

    Tomorrow should be a good one, curious to see how Milan performs-depends on how closely the ref calls the game.

    If he lets Milan gets physical with the little men, it could be a result for AC. Is Van Bommel playing or is he suspended....couldn't remember?
     
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    I actually wasn't impressed Benfica for all the talent they have in their side, TBH. I expected a lot more from them.
     
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    So did I. The Benfica manager saw it differently though!

    "We dominated for almost the entire game and created more scoring opportunities but ultimately luck was not on our side."

    "We were mature, played well and did not let Chelsea create a lot. I don't think we deserved to lose tonight."
     
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    Wasn't anything more than you'd expect from them really..only thing that stood out was an elbow from Whitehead on Silva that the Stoke fans booed Silva for since they thought he was faking (he had to leave the pitch because he was bleeding so they were wrong about that).

    Mancini doesn't seem to get along with the British managers too well especially if they have physical tactics..a bit ironic as City are one of the most physical sides in the league.
     
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    Top notch defensive job by Milan this evening. Haven't seen Barca's passing fluency quite so impaired for a while. That said, the penalty decision declined was just insane. I also reckon it will be a different story in Spain.
     
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    You're right. Milan were excellent at the back, but to say that the pitch was in great shape or to say that Barcelona didn't have a legit shout for a penalty on the tackle on Sanchez would be a lie. The result was somewhat surprising, and I think Pep will try to even things out next week for the return leg - I wouldn't be surprised to see Barca smash Milan, TBH. I think I'm going to go put down a few on that.
     
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    I'm not so sure, Milan have a good defence and they are shielded very well. Nocerino and Ambrosini are pretty much there to stop anyone even getting to the defence, so it will be tricky for Barcelona, especially when you have to be wary of Ibrahimovic, Boateng and Robinho up the other end.

    I think i'll say 2-2, with Milan going through on away goals. That would be the best thing for the tournament imo. Showing it is possible to knock Barcelona out over 2 legs and seeing the mighty Milan back where they feel they belong after so long, it would be good to see.
     
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    Re ultimate winner of Champ.'s Lge my feeling is it will be Real or Barca.
     
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    Really sticking your neck out there, Ross! ;)

    At the start of the season I went for Bayern Munich, which i'll stick with. I'm hoping for someone other than the big 2 in Spain win it, someone like Bayern Munich, AC Milan or Chelsea :)

    Ferriera said Chelsea are looking to do what Liverpool did in 2005, that kind of story that doesn't happen often is what i'm hoping for, either that or Munich winning it on their home ground.
     
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    Okay, if it's about taking a punt, long shots, etc, I'll go for Chelsea.:)
     
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    Ouch! Haha.

    I think seeing Chelsea take Tottenham's place in next years competition is more incentive than winning the actual tournament ;)
     
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    I don't think Milan have it in them to win at the Nou Camp, as much as I would love to see it happen. It's not an easy task, though, but if anyone can do it, it's probably Milan.

    It will be Real. Or my wallet will cry, I put down a good amount on them winning it at 14/1 and I would be gutted if it didn't work out.

    I don't think Bayern will win it this time, but next year they will, especially considering they've already signed Shaqiri and will no doubt look to build on that.

    OUCH! Well, they're a better shot to win it than Spurs ever will be.
     
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    Yeah, backing anyone to beat Barcelona at home is pretty stupid. As you say though, Milan are one of only a few teams who are capable of it, but even then they need to play out of their skin and get lucky.

    They will be better next year, absolutely. I think Dortmund being so good is helping them, to have top quality opposition like that keeping you on your toes in the league, it helps. I still think they can do it though, Robben and Gomez score goals, plus they will only have to beat Barcelona in a one off game in the final, not to mention it will be at their home ground.

    If they get past Real Madrid, which you won't like hearing me say they can ;) I think they have a shot in the final.
     
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    Hmm, something lost in translation or misconstrued I think re my earlier post. I wasn't having a dig at Chelsea at all. For the record, I think RM or Barca will win. And as an outside bet I choose the blues.
     
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    We're just messing :)

    Chelsea v Bayern Munich final I say! Would make for a much better Saturday night than the usual Britain's Got Talent :-|
     
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    They've just announced the Spurs - Chelsea FA Cup semi will be played on a Sunday evening @ 6 pm... WTFlip is that about? :shock: Apart from a few things, you can just imagine the effects of all day drinking before the game with these 2 sets of fans who don't exactly love each other... mad scheduling IMO.

    Papers full of Brendan Rodgers as potentially our manager this morning (Levy has supposedly targeted him.) Although risky, I'm pretty much in favour of this idea. As someone who's created a Welsh version of Barca (LOL), he's the Prem manager of the year imo. But we'll see...
     
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    Totally agree, no doubt fans will be turning up early as it's local and will be drinking from lunch time onwards. Violence looks likely, not good at all, especially when something could of been done about it.

    They say Liverpool couldn't play on Sunday because it's the same date as the Hillsborough disaster, and they can't make them play on that day. Man Utd play on the same day as the Munich tragedy and use it as part of the way they remember the lost, bit strange that one.
     
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    Also from the POV of Chelsea, now having to play the semi late Sunday and then the CL game just 3 days later, well, that's tough. And don't forget other countries go out on a limb and reschedule domestically in a way that assists teams when they are in similar situations. I'm surprised the FA isn't helpfully throwing in an England friendly on the Monday just to keep everyone on their toes.:)
     
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    Don't think my heart can take much more of this season, fooking hell crazy game and now absolutely vital to beat Arse away to even stay in the race and not have United win the title at Eastlands :shock:
     
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    Really interesting day! Wolves are gone, Arsenal lose, Man City only draw and Chelsea score twice in the last 10 minutes to keep the top 4 dream alive.
     
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    You're telling me! At least you guys tied today.

    QPR totally deserved the result, that Bobby Zamora is a handful. Kept constant pressure on the back 2 and they didn't like it one bit. Noticed that Demba Ba did a similar thing a few weeks back. Gunners looked totally uninterested today.

    I'll be glad to have Wilshire back, Ramsey is good but not quite good enough.......
     
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    It's going to be really tight to secure the two remaining CL places.

    Current exchange odds for top three finish:

    Arsenal 1.95 / Spurs 2.3 / Chelsea 8.4

    Current exchange odds for top four finish:

    Arsenal c. 1.3 / Spurs c. 1.3 / Chelsea 2.74

    My own opinion is that Spurs are favourites for 3rd (based on run-in, though they're in worst form). Arsenal are favourites for 4th, but not by as much as many would imagine. If we lose to City next week and Chelsea beat Wigan, 4th place will be in their hands! Equalising at QPR would have been huge in terms of meaning narrow losses to City and Chelsea might be survivable based on goal difference. I'm hoping that the cup competitions can distract both Spurs and Chelsea!

    It's been such an inconsistent, unpredictable and surprising season that any outcome wouldn't really shock me.

    To quote the irascible, well fortified Jock, it truly is 'squeaky bum time.'

    PS... Benzema's goal last night was just sublime. Undoubted shades of van Basten. http://youtu.be/7eaoccyYC5w
     
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    Yes, very nice, although not quite in the same class as 'Crouchino' for Stoke recently LOL :)
     
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    Ronaldo's 35-yard bullet was better.
     
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    Ronaldo is incredible. He might be a pr!ck in alot of ways, but i'd take him over Messi anyday of the week. To of done the things he did in the Premier League when it was the best League, and to now be doing it to an even higher level in La Liga, it's incredible.

    If Chelsea got him we would probably win the League next year, even with the average squad we have. Messi is more specialised at what he does, even though he's amazing at it.
     
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    Carroll's dive was a fail on all levels.
     
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    The scary thing is, he's just entering his prime now. He'll be scary good at the Euros and probably in Brazil 2014.

    Ronnie will never go to Chelsea, he is indebted to SAF in such a way that he'd never play for another English club besides United. I'd take him over Messi in any league outside of Spain.

    Your assessment of the difference between Messi and Ronaldo is spot-on. I'd go further and say that the main difference between the two is that Ronaldo is a pure athlete playing football, he's built like a tank, he's fast as lightning, he's got all the tricks, he isn't afraid to run at defenders, he's two-footed, isn't afraid to rip one from deep in the midfield and he can win a game on his own. Messi isn't much of a pure athlete, but he's got that special something - that quickness with the ball, that left foot and that touch, as well as being much more of a team player when need be (I think he's a better passer than Ronaldo, but Ronaldo is better at crossing the ball). He doesn't need the rocket shot or any tricks to show us why he's so good, it's that something that nobody else comes close to having that sets Messi apart from the rest. It's kind of a Federer-Nadal case here, with Messi being Nadal, who developed as a unique player from an unorthodox way of understanding and playing the game. Yeah, so what if he can only do it in one system with certain players helping him? Nadal could only win on clay for a little while, and that didn't stop the plaudits from coming in. Keep in mind he's only 24, two years older than I am, and only a year older than you.

    I think we're rather lucky to enjoy both of them, as there's loads to be learned from both, from Ronaldo we learn the importance of being a well-rounded offensive player - how vital it is to not only be able to finish off either foot, but to be able to do so outside and inside the box, as well as be able to cross with either foot, take on defenders with pace and effort, and being able to pull a trick out of one's sleeve and leave the defender for dead. He's also adept at playing multiple positions, he can play as a striker, behind the striker, on either wing, or he can be allowed to roam anywhere in the offensive third as he sees fit. Also, let's not forget that Ronnie keeps himself in amazing shape, doing some 3000 situps a day outside of training, he eats extremely well and doesn't drink alcohol. With Messi, we learn of the importance of having absurd ball control while running, the importance of running with your head up to see the play develop and to look for the pass first, the importance of being able to finish regardless of how acute the angle is (with either foot), and the importance of being patient in the box instead of rashly trying to be a hero. He's also extremely humble and down-to-earth both on the pitch and off which is never a bad thing. Like I said, any kid these days has two one-of-a-kind players to look up to who can positively influence his development as a person and as a player. And as spectators, we should be happy we get to see two very rare and very talented players play on a week-in-week-out basis.


    With all that said, however, Ronnie is a diver and his theatrics are a bit much sometimes, and once and a while when he mopes about on the pitch like a little fairy c*nt it does get annoying.
     
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    What's going on with Allardyce and West Ham? :shock: Reports from a hammer mate of mine who was at the game on the weekend are damning.

    Seems to be his day may be passing in the sense that more of the teams in that league are now playing much better on the deck football, and the hoofing long-ball take no prisoners game that he's renowned for is on the wane (thank God).

    He certainly doesn't seem now (and he didn't at the start of the season either) to be a good fit for West Ham at all... it's the fan of that great club I feel sorry for.
     
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    Wow, I think that's pretty spot on.

    When I said Chelsea would win the League next year with Ronaldo, I meant it as an example of just how good a player he is, to make up for the big holes in the team. I don't for one second expect him to be playing for Chelsea next year, or at any time :)
     

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